by Clarkmod » Sun Jun 02, 2024 5:31 pm
Bob Butler wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 5:08 pm
Clarkmod wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 3:35 pm
Show us how the communists favor Trump. Which communists? How did they favor Trump? Who or what did they favor Trump over versus someone or something else? Do communists as a majority favor Trump?
If you can give us a deep dive showing communists favor Trump, I'll move this post back to the news thread.
Primarily Putin, but by implication the entire Russian administration. Putin's goal is to bring back the old Soviet Union. He is former KGB. His is the good pal of Trump. Trump opposed defending Ukraine. Putin is also as much into censorship as you guys, opposed to free speech.
Not a deep dive, but if you are at all into modern politics you know it is so.
To start, you would need to discuss who the "communists" are. Of course, there are many versions of this. One would be what respected and published academics who study communism generally accept as to who the communists are. For an example, consider the following:
Decades after its demise, world communism still casts a long, strange shadow
Berkeley scholar and author George Breslauer explores our preoccupations — and illusions — about the once-vast global threat
By Edward Lempinen
Today, there are just five communist states left — though China, with nearly one-fifth of the world’s population, is clearly a global power. But in the view of eminent UC Berkeley political scientist George W. Breslauer, if Karl Marx were alive today, he would not recognize the species of communism that survives there, or in Cuba, Laos, North Korea or Vietnam.
“Putin was born in 1952 — he was 39 when the regime collapsed,” Breslauer said. “He made his career in the KGB, and the KGB was about the protection of state authority against internal and external enemies. … He’s not a communist, but what he does maintain from his earlier career is the veneration of state authority.”
https://news.berkeley.edu/2021/12/15/de ... ge-shadow/
If you can show that this particular academic is at odds with what is generally accepted as a communist or communist state today, then your comments may have merit. Alternatively, it may be that other posters you are communicating with have referred to Putin as a communist. In that case, you would need to provide quotes showing that they did that. I don't recall anyone in this forum referring to Putin as a communist, but I may be in error.
Aside from Putin, you still need to address China and the Chinese Communist Party, which is what Full Moon referred to when you responded to his post, implying it was these actors who favor Trump. It doesn't seem that either the Chinese Communist Party or any of its members have indicated that they favor Trump over any alternative. If they have, please enlighten the forum.
[quote="Bob Butler" post_id=87241 time=1717362534 user_id=3010]
[quote=Clarkmod post_id=87239 time=1717356957 user_id=3648]Show us how the communists favor Trump. Which communists? How did they favor Trump? Who or what did they favor Trump over versus someone or something else? Do communists as a majority favor Trump?
If you can give us a deep dive showing communists favor Trump, I'll move this post back to the news thread.
[/quote]
Primarily Putin, but by implication the entire Russian administration. Putin's goal is to bring back the old Soviet Union. He is former KGB. His is the good pal of Trump. Trump opposed defending Ukraine. Putin is also as much into censorship as you guys, opposed to free speech.
Not a deep dive, but if you are at all into modern politics you know it is so.[/quote]
To start, you would need to discuss who the "communists" are. Of course, there are many versions of this. One would be what respected and published academics who study communism generally accept as to who the communists are. For an example, consider the following:
[quote]Decades after its demise, world communism still casts a long, strange shadow
Berkeley scholar and author George Breslauer explores our preoccupations — and illusions — about the once-vast global threat
By Edward Lempinen[/quote]
[quote]Today, there are just five communist states left — though China, with nearly one-fifth of the world’s population, is clearly a global power. But in the view of eminent UC Berkeley political scientist George W. Breslauer, if Karl Marx were alive today, he would not recognize the species of communism that survives there, or in Cuba, Laos, North Korea or Vietnam.[/quote]
[quote]“Putin was born in 1952 — he was 39 when the regime collapsed,” Breslauer said. “He made his career in the KGB, and the KGB was about the protection of state authority against internal and external enemies. … He’s not a communist, but what he does maintain from his earlier career is the veneration of state authority.”[/quote]
https://news.berkeley.edu/2021/12/15/decades-after-its-demise-world-communism-still-casts-a-long-strange-shadow/
If you can show that this particular academic is at odds with what is generally accepted as a communist or communist state today, then your comments may have merit. Alternatively, it may be that other posters you are communicating with have referred to Putin as a communist. In that case, you would need to provide quotes showing that they did that. I don't recall anyone in this forum referring to Putin as a communist, but I may be in error.
Aside from Putin, you still need to address China and the Chinese Communist Party, which is what Full Moon referred to when you responded to his post, implying it was these actors who favor Trump. It doesn't seem that either the Chinese Communist Party or any of its members have indicated that they favor Trump over any alternative. If they have, please enlighten the forum.