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Clarkmod wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:47 pm

You want to pretend something new is happening. There's nothing new. You've been doing this type of thing for years. The details have already been spelled out in other instances and it's not necessary for me to continue rolling in the weeds with you.

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 06, 2024 5:38 pm

Clarkmod wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 04, 2024 8:05 pm

Bob,

Feel free to post your political troll garbage in your own thread. The history of you posting troll garbage is well known and longstanding; rest assured, nothing will change in John's absence, so you should continue to feel quite at home here too.

I shall continue to respond to posts in the thread they were made, especially the personal attack posts. I would add that reducing personal attacks in addition to reducing foul language are legitimate functions moderators typically limit themselves to in legitimate forums. Censoring ideas is not. One should respond under a non moderator name. If you had any respect, that would be adequate. Whether you do not feel you have is your problem. For the most part respecting ideas was not a problem when John was around. You are corrupting his forum badly.

John wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:19 pm

** 18-Jan-2021 World View: Why are you here?

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:38 pm

> I am against censorship, but this is mostly practiced by John. The
> crackdown is on criminal activity which is not a civil liberty.

No, I haven't censored anything of yours. Hijacking other people's
threads with offensive garbage is not a civil liberty, and cracking
down on it is not censorship. Every offensive piece of garbage you've
posted is still online, unedited. That's not censorship. So that's
your lie #1.

You say you're against censorship, but then in the next sentence you
say that censorship is fine when it's about "criminal activity," which
is the excuse that all violent dictators use. The First Amendment
says nothing about "criminal activity." So that's your lie #2.

You say that members of this forum "regularly complain about the
crackdown on criminal activity." I asked you for specific examples,
with links, but you can't. That's your lie #3.

Furthermore, shutting down Donald Trump's twitter feed is clearly
censorship having nothing to do with so-called criminal activity. So
that's your lie #4.

Ironically, you're right about one thing. The Democrats, the
mainstream media, and social media all colluded to institute a massive
censorship effort to censor Hunter Biden's criminal activity. But of
course, that's the opposite of what you mean. That wasn't censorship
of criminal activity. That was censoring reports of Hunter Biden's
criminal activity.

> There is no evidence of a rigged election.

No, there is plenty of evidence of a rigged election. Talk to Warren
Dew in the other forum. That's your lie #5.

> The violence over the summer was not by any organization
> affiliated with the Democrats.

No, I said the antifa-blm fascist violence was SUPPORTED BY the
Democrats -- and by you -- in the name of "social justice." That's
supporting the antifa-blm violence, whether antifa-blm is an
organization affiliated with the Democrats or not. That's your lie
#6.

> John has persistently misrepresented my position.

No, I've represented your position as FAR LEFTIST THINKING, in
contrast to what you call "tribal thinking." And then I stated the
FAR LEFTIST THINKING policies. You haven't repudiated any of those
policies. The ones you mention at all you don't repudiate, but give
Baghdad Bob excuses for. Even if there are one or two of those
policies that you disagree with, you certainly agree with FAR LEFTIST
THINKING as a whole, so I didn't misrepresent your position. That's
your lie #6.

How many lies can you pack into a single post?

Those are truly evil policies, and the Democrats support them and you
support them. That makes the Democrats evil people, for supporting
evil policies. Just like Xi Jinping and the CCP are evil people, for
supporting the arrest, torture and enslavement of millions of Uighurs.
Democrats like Eric Swalwell, Dianne Feinstein, Hunter Biden and Joe
Biden are all totally compromised by the Chinese and Chinese money and
Chinese honeypots, so the Chinese Communist evil extends to the
Democrats.

But that's not the main problem. If you could rationally and lucidly
and inoffensively defend FAR LEFTIST POLICIES, that would be one
thing. But you don't do that. You're incapable of defending those
evil policies because they're evil. Instead, you attack and offend
members of this forum with the moronic accusation of "weird tribal
thinking" because they don't agree with your FAR LEFTIST POLICIES.
It's your behavior that's the problem -- your extremely offensive
behavior.

I've asked you several times -- why are you here? You're not going to
change any minds. So what are you trying to accomplish?

Answer the question:

Why are you here?
Why are you here?
Why are you here?
Why are you here?
Why are you here?
Why are you here?

Clarkmod wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 04, 2024 8:05 pm

Bob,

Feel free to post your political troll garbage in your own thread. The history of you posting troll garbage is well known and longstanding; rest assured, nothing will change in John's absence, so you should continue to feel quite at home here too.

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The nice Paul Guest
June 7, 2023, 7:20 am
SF is intriguing to me. For many years it's felt like an over-priced destination, with a public realm that just keeps on deteriorating: the amount of homeless sleepers and "tent cities" is, to most Western European eyes, extraordinary. And, as you walk the streets, the stench of cannabis is pervasive. The hotels have also mostly been below-standard for a long time: as an example, SF seems to have led the charge at removing facilities like full breakfast or room service. On my last visit there an allegedly middle-market city centre hotel only had flasks of stewed (bitter & weak) filter coffee for breakfast, and muffins. One of the hotels you mentioned -- the Hilton Union Square -- struck me as being particularly dismal. On a tour a couple of years back the manager proudly said how they were in the middle of a major refurbishment programme; I asked when the dark and dingy lobby we were in would be done, and he explained that it had already been done... I still love some aspects of SF, but it seems like it is now increasingly a poster child for the consequences of "private wealth but public squalor". It used to be sold to conference managers as a destination that usually added ~20% to the registration numbers over other cities. I don't think the people I work with feel the same any more.

San Francisco man says he's witnessing 'collapse' of Western civilization a month after Newsom promised aid
San Francisco has 'become a fourth world country within a first world country,' Gen Z activist says

‘Decline of Western civilization’ starting in San Francisco, Gen Z activist says
A California man who has documented San Francisco's drug and crime crises for years says the city may be the first domino in the "decline of Western civilization."

One month after California Gov. Gavin Newsom promised to crack down on San Francisco's open-air drug markets, a Gen Z activist says far-left politics have made the city a "fourth world country within a first world country."

"We are witnessing the collapse of the Paris of the West and potentially the decline of Western civilization, with San Francisco being the first domino," Darren Mark Stallcup told Fox News.

Stallcup documents the drug and homeless crises in San Francisco — which he refers to as a "fentanyl genocide" — on Twitter. His videos show tent-lined streets, people appearing to overdose or behave erratically under the influence of drugs, violent altercations, crime and more.

"When I go out every morning and count the bodies, when I'm documenting the fentanyl genocide happening in our community," Stallcup said, "my goal is to show the world what's really happening on the streets of San Francisco."

Overdose deaths have soared across California and in the Golden City, where 647 people died from drug overdoses last year. San Francisco is on pace to surpass that figure again this year.

"We have a beautiful city," the 26-year-old Bay Area native said. "Generations of people, good men and women, built this city. Generations of blood, sweat and tears. And I hate to see it all crumble in a decade just because people can't stop voting for this chaos."

San Francisco Tenderloin residents, businesses sue for streets free of drugs, tents

March 14, 2024 / 3:01 PM PDT / AP

Two hotels and several residents of San Francisco's troubled Tenderloin district sued the city on Thursday, alleging it is using the neighborhood as a containment zone for rampant illegal drug use and other vices, making residents terrified to leave their homes and businesses unable to recruit staff.

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2024 1:15 pm

FullMoon wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2024 10:22 am

The pot calls the kettle black.
Bob has a one track mind together with misunderstandings and deliberate cobbling together of falsehoods to maintain his cult fantasies and demonic hatred of anything different from his psychotic belief system. Convincing a cult member of the falsehoods inherent in the cult rarely works.

In recent times, the blue values championed have included rule of law, democracy, equality, science, and containment. I would not qualify these things as 'falsehoods'. Trump's habitual criminality, his cheating on elections, his support of racist bigoted groups, promotion of religious superstition and support of Putin's conquest seem to be the conservative answer. I would agree that convincing a cult member to change values rarely works. In the conservative case, what has always been is assumed to continue. The belief seems to be to fight progress. Progressives perceive it differently. What conservativse choose to champion seems very questionable at this time.

As Lincoln quoted, "Woe unto the world because of offenses! for it must needs be that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." You need a crisis as the 'woe due' to remove foul cultural traits. Every four score and seven years, a new birth of freedom. Such should be celebrated rather than fought. It does take a large woe due to get a significant cultural change. I wish it not so, but that is how it seems to be.

National Fraternal Order of Police (FOP)
@GLFOP

The rule of law has been decriminalized in San Francisco. Criminals have taken priority over victims & quality of life has deteriorated into what you see here. Needles & feces in the streets where children walk & play! Is this what social justice reform is supposed to accomplish?

Left Coast Lawlessness
Progressivism is wrecking cities in the Pacific Northwest.

The anarchy and disorder dominating progressive cities across the West Coast recently hit a new low in Seattle. King County officials are looking to roll out a “safe injection van,” a legal venue at which addicts could shoot up illegal drugs unhindered and “safely.” The first of its kind in the United States, the van would manage to undermine further the rule of law while also doing little to help addicts. Seattle’s urban decay goes deeper, though, with skyrocketing rates of homelessness, an explosion in opioid usage and deaths, and spikes in violent crime.

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 04, 2024 6:06 pm

Clarkmod wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 03, 2024 5:16 pm

You were given the opportunity to show that your post in the news thread was something other than a flimsy political attack ad, and your response doesn't meet the rigor required to put your original post back into the news thread, to put it politely.

During the 2008 Presidential campaign, McCain aired an ad similar to the one you posted about Trump, after which Sarah Palin upped the ante, saying, "Barack Obama pals around with terrorists." Trump no more pals around with communists than Obama pals around with terrorists. This kind of flimsy, deviant nonsense will be moderated. You can buy an ad if John wants to sell you one.

I suspect any post here will be described by someone who disagrees with it as a “flimsy political attack ad”. It is merely a matter of whether you disagree with it or not. I can see moderators legitimately cleaning up foul language, but not censoring people’s political options that they happen to disagree with. That is what this is. Your censorship according to where you disagree with their political opinion is very much illegitimate.

Trump doesn’t pal around with every communist, but he does with Putin and Kim Jong Ill. The best of all possible world leaders? Can you justify Sarah’s Payton’s comment by naming two similar terrorists that Obama pals around with?

John wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:38 am

** 04-Jan-2021 World View: Ideological garbage

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:08 am

> The stuff you call garbage? It is no more garbage than what you
> present. It is ideological. It is more about where it is being
> presented. An area intensely concentrated on one perspective
> rejects the other perspective. I am rejected here much as you
> were rejected on MyBB. A place where ideas can constructively
> collide is in many ways to be preferred.

This is a lie, as you're well aware.

I set up the GenerationalDynamics.com web site in 2003 as an
experiment, as I stated at the time. Most people who claim they had
been right about something are simply lying about their previous
views. So I would make analyses, forecasts and predictions, and post
them in articles on that web site. If the predictions turned out to
be right, then I would continue. The predictions would be there for
all time. I couldn't conveniently say that I used to believe such and
such, since that was always verifiable. If the predictions turned out
to be wrong, then I would abandon it. There was no ideology involved
whatsoever, as you're well aware.

So today I can point to a large body of work -- over 6,000 articles
containing thousands of analyses and predictions on hundreds of
countries, all of which are either true or trending true. I've also
written five books. There have been several examples where I was
literally almost the only person in the world making a prediction, and
my prediction turned out to be right, and everyone else's turned out
to be wrong. So the experiment that I set up in 2003 has been a
spectacular success. There is no web site in the world with a better
successful forecasting and analysis record than mine. These are 6,000
data points and five books that prove the validity of generational
theory and Generational Dynamics. That has nothing to do with
ideology.

So you come into this forum, and flood it with posts describing my
work as ideological garbage. You fabricate lies, and claim that
what you post is the same as mine.

Have you ever written and posted a real article? If you, please
provide a link. I don't believe you're capable of writing a
well-researched article. You're nothing but an ignorant asshole who
gets enjoyment out of posting troll garbage.

This isn't some random forum. This forum is my home. If you can't
respect me and my work in my own home, then you shouldn't be here.
Leave.

Clarkmod wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 03, 2024 5:16 pm

You were given the opportunity to show that your post in the news thread was something other than a flimsy political attack ad, and your response doesn't meet the rigor required to put your original post back into the news thread, to put it politely.

During the 2008 Presidential campaign, McCain aired an ad similar to the one you posted about Trump, after which Sarah Palin upped the ante, saying, "Barack Obama pals around with terrorists." Trump no more pals around with communists than Obama pals around with terrorists. This kind of flimsy, deviant nonsense will be moderated. You can buy an ad if John wants to sell you one.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in an exclusive interview Friday with NBC News, called former President Donald Trump a "colorful individual" and said he can work with President Joe Biden.