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Re: What say you?

by Bob Butler » Sat Jun 01, 2024 12:21 pm

Guest wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 8:25 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:32 am

But what evidence do you have this was a kangaroo court? You have a right to spout nonsense, but what have you got to be taken seriously?

This seems to be the modus operandi of the MAGA movement. You make many absurd claims that contradict serious investigations of the courts. Somehow, you think this justifies taking each other's claims seriously. I don't see it.
You never offer evidence of anything, Bob. Why should he (or her)?
Evidence was provided by Pecker, Stormy, Cohen and others to the jury, backed up by the documents, and reported by the MSM. It was quite adequate to convince the jury. Opportunity was provided for Trump to provide contradictory evidence, but instead he attempted character assassination. He had no evidence. Since, the conservatives have provided nothing other than their unsupported bald partisan statements. This is typical of their modus operandi, to repeat what their audience would like to hear.

It is not how the court system operates. The voice that counts is the jury's, which has spoken.

Not that the sentencing will arrive before the election. The sentencing and appeals process looks to take years. It will be settled by 2028, by which time Trump's mental deterioration will be obvious even to MAGA. The difficulty with a cult of personality is finding another cult leader after the old one ages out.

I suspect the best deal would be for him to acknowledge he isn't sane enough to either stand trial or run for president. That would end the mess as little else would.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Guest » Sat Jun 01, 2024 12:12 pm

The state has encouraged people to see certain of their traits - sexuality, gender, age, disability - as identities, which results in many new identity groups vying with each other in the same space. This is the passage from a cohesive society that had something sacred to protect, to a society of ghettos competing against each other, a tinderbox perpetually on the edge of disaster.

Re: What say you?

by spottybrowncow » Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:08 am

Bob Butler wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 11:21 pm
guest wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 7:02 pm
Who are you talking about? Trump didn't commit any crimes, and that will be established in time, but probably not until after he becomes president. Foolish evil people are gloating now, but their laughter will turn to wails before the fat lady sings.
One of the things mentioned often in the MSM trial coverage was how a jury of everyday people picked by a fair process by both sides paid attention. They reached a solid conclusion with witnesses testimony confirmed by documents. I happen to agree with them, but have only highlights of the evidence picked up from TV summaries.

What do partisan assertions with no evidence count for? What evidence of Trump not committing any crimes should have been presented but weren't? Do you think you are better lawyers than Trump found? If you were presenting any evidence I could counter it, but you aren't. That speaks to the value of what you are claiming.
Your above words prove to all that you have a very fundamental misunderstanding of how the American justice system (supposedly) works. The accused is under no obligation at all to provide evidence of (his) innocence. All the obligation is upon the prosecution to prove guilt. The prosecution failed miserably in this regard. Numerous errors of law were made, numerous examples of bias are readily available (let's start with "If elected, I will get Trump."). If you don't want to look up the others then you'll have to take countless other legal experts' words for it, they're all over the internet, including many liberal ones. Not surprisingly, given the above, he was convicted. Juries are often wrong, as demonstated by verdicts being reversed on appeal. This is just the most egregious example in recent memory, and probably the most publicized of all time. A partiicularly relevant example of a reversal is the Supreme Court's 9-0 reversal of Jack Smith (https://americafirstpolicy.com/issues/f ... for-itself). In case you haven't been keeping up, Jack Smith is the charlatan imposter currently prosecuting the Mar-A-Lago documents case.

It will not end well for those perpetrating the legal fraud. Remember when Harry Reid eliminated the filibuster for confirmation of Federal judges? That is precisely the reason Trump was able to put his Supreme Court justices in place, which is currently the Democrats' biggest long-term headache. As bad as that was, this verdict is going to have far, far worse repercussions for the Democrats, and may end up being their undoing, as it has shown the whole world that they are completely untrustworthy. No one will want to to do business with them.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Guest » Sat Jun 01, 2024 8:39 am

Guest wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2024 8:13 pm
Navigator wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:44 pm
Jews in Europe need to leave ASAP and migrate to Israel. They need to divest from the European economies whatever they can and move.

Long ago I wrote an article on the Barbarians now being inside the gates. The consequences of the great handout migration are now coming to full bloom.

https://comingstorms.com/barbarians-inside-the-gates/
The day the Palestinian war broke out, I was very clear: not my circus, not my monkeys. I have no part in this fight and absolutely refuse to take a side.

Of course one might argue that political leadership has very much taken a side, and therefore so have my tax dollars. But it's quite possible to condemn our leaders for this, without taking one or the other side.
Recent surveys shows only 8% of white Americans in the 18-29 age group support Israel, compared to 28% who are pro-Palestinian.

The POCs in America support the Palestinians in the 90% plus percentile.

Game over.

Re: What say you?

by Guest » Sat Jun 01, 2024 8:25 am

Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:32 am
Guest wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:07 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 11:21 pm


One of the things mentioned often in the MSM trial coverage was how a jury of everyday people picked by a fair process by both sides paid attention. They reached a solid conclusion with witnesses testimony confirmed by documents. I happen to agree with them, but have only highlights of the evidence picked up from TV summaries.

What do partisan assertions with no evidence count for? What evidence of Trump not committing any crimes should have been presented but weren't? Do you think you are better lawyers than Trump found? If you were presenting any evidence I could counter it, but you aren't. That speaks to the value of what you are claiming.
No defendent walk free ifrom a kangaroo court.
But what evidence do you have this was a kangaroo court? You have a right to spout nonsense, but what have you got to be taken seriously?

This seems to be the modus operandi of the MAGA movement. You make many absurd claims that contradict serious investigations of the courts. Somehow, you think this justifies taking each other's claims seriously. I don't see it.
You never offer evidence of anything, Bob. Why should he (or her)?

Re: What say you?

by Bob Butler » Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:32 am

Guest wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:07 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 11:21 pm
guest wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 7:02 pm
Who are you talking about? Trump didn't commit any crimes, and that will be established in time, but probably not until after he becomes president. Foolish evil people are gloating now, but their laughter will turn to wails before the fat lady sings.
One of the things mentioned often in the MSM trial coverage was how a jury of everyday people picked by a fair process by both sides paid attention. They reached a solid conclusion with witnesses testimony confirmed by documents. I happen to agree with them, but have only highlights of the evidence picked up from TV summaries.

What do partisan assertions with no evidence count for? What evidence of Trump not committing any crimes should have been presented but weren't? Do you think you are better lawyers than Trump found? If you were presenting any evidence I could counter it, but you aren't. That speaks to the value of what you are claiming.
No defendent walk free ifrom a kangaroo court.
But what evidence do you have this was a kangaroo court? You have a right to spout nonsense, but what have you got to be taken seriously?

This seems to be the modus operandi of the MAGA movement. You make many absurd claims that contradict serious investigations of the courts. Somehow, you think this justifies taking each other's claims seriously. I don't see it.

Re: What say you?

by Guest » Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:07 am

Bob Butler wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 11:21 pm
guest wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 7:02 pm
Who are you talking about? Trump didn't commit any crimes, and that will be established in time, but probably not until after he becomes president. Foolish evil people are gloating now, but their laughter will turn to wails before the fat lady sings.
One of the things mentioned often in the MSM trial coverage was how a jury of everyday people picked by a fair process by both sides paid attention. They reached a solid conclusion with witnesses testimony confirmed by documents. I happen to agree with them, but have only highlights of the evidence picked up from TV summaries.

What do partisan assertions with no evidence count for? What evidence of Trump not committing any crimes should have been presented but weren't? Do you think you are better lawyers than Trump found? If you were presenting any evidence I could counter it, but you aren't. That speaks to the value of what you are claiming.
No defendent walk free ifrom a kangaroo court.

What say you?

by Bob Butler » Fri May 31, 2024 11:21 pm

guest wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 7:02 pm
Who are you talking about? Trump didn't commit any crimes, and that will be established in time, but probably not until after he becomes president. Foolish evil people are gloating now, but their laughter will turn to wails before the fat lady sings.
One of the things mentioned often in the MSM trial coverage was how a jury of everyday people picked by a fair process by both sides paid attention. They reached a solid conclusion with witnesses testimony confirmed by documents. I happen to agree with them, but have only highlights of the evidence picked up from TV summaries.

What do partisan assertions with no evidence count for? What evidence of Trump not committing any crimes should have been presented but weren't? Do you think you are better lawyers than Trump found? If you were presenting any evidence I could counter it, but you aren't. That speaks to the value of what you are claiming.

Re: NY Tax Prosecution Guidelines

by guest 63 » Fri May 31, 2024 11:09 pm

Bob Butler wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 5:06 pm
I did a quick search looking for the number of tax cases in New York and ended up in FindLaw. The primary chart had 11,784 entries. The first of many pages included everyone from Exxon Mobil Corporation to the Sisters of the Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Most were individuals. the first 20 entries were all from the dame day, May 16 2024, indicating again that the number of cases is a lot. It is as if the federal and state governments wanted money and chased anyone who didn't care to provide it...

The 'STATE OF NEW YORK DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION AND FINANCE" put out a guideline for the 'CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS OF TAX FRAUD CASES'. It looked far more financial than political to me.

https://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/enforcement/ ... elines.pdf

I have heard it said that if you don't want to do the time, you shouldn't do the crime.
The Cintons have gotten away with more than anyone.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by guest 63 » Fri May 31, 2024 11:07 pm

guest wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 7:02 pm
Who are you talking about? Trump didn't commit any crimes, and that will be established in time, but probably not until after he becomes president. Foolish evil people are gloating now, but their laughter will turn to wails before the fat lady sings.

I can't wait to see the next justice department prosecuting all these slimy slugs in state and federal government who have betrayed their public trust - THEY deserve hard time as a lesson to others who would sacrifice our constitutional republic to satisfy their own lust for power. Hopefully they will spend a lot of time in the DC jail, there will be a lot of room there after the J6 political prisoners are released.
Nice thought. I agee with you.

However.

Don't exppect justice in America today.

There will (most likely) be an election in 2024, but never again. America will become another Leftist dictatorship after that. Think Zimbabwe.

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