30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

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Re: 30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

by John » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:24 pm

I don't understand this posting. It reads like it's in response to
something I said, but this is a discussion between you and "Guest,"
and I'm not involved at all. I am neither hurt nor upset, and have no
clue why you think I am. Nor do I recall calling you arrogant, nor
believe that you are.

Re: 30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

by Brendan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:06 pm

Guest wrote:Why is he a troll? Because he disagrees with you? :roll: Do you think NK can be reasoned with? Are we supposed to just ignore a country with nuclear weapons that constantly threatens to destroy us? Who is the troll? I'd rather listen to someone concerned about national security than an ignorant hipster like you, Brendan.
I apologize John, it was never my intention to hurt you or make you upset. My ignorance is obviously a given, however, I am a little confused as to where "hipster" is coming from but I suppose that is beside the point. It is clear I have overstayed my welcome but appreciate my time here. It was an incredibly informative/educational experience. I would like to make a few points on my way out:

In regards to my "dust off the old war machine" comment I do have some regret but not for what I was saying but how I said it (not a strong communicator by any means). What I was alluding to was more so to see America unified (not constantly at one another's throat) together sacrificing for some common cause greater than itself rather than the self righteous hedonism or whatever it is we have now. Obviously if I had any say in the structure of reality I wouldn't want war and scarcity to be a part of it and I don't want to see a war occur. What John may regard as my arrogance is in part due to a coping mechanism but thats just my perspective.

In regards to PRC/NK (open to change in the future but from what I can tell now) it seems to me China needs NK much like Trump need twitter and the media. The chaos must continue (on both sides) because if the music were to stop playing people would probably see what is seen here.

Finally, don't forget that in serious times the best antidote can be a little bit of humor. Heres to the hope that we all have wasted our time here and nothing comes of it. Cheers, those lattes aren't going to make themselves! 8-)

-Ignorant Hipster

Re: 30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

by Guest » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:58 am

Why is he a troll? Because he disagrees with you? :roll: Do you think NK can be reasoned with? Are we supposed to just ignore a country with nuclear weapons that constantly threatens to destroy us? Who is the troll? I'd rather listen to someone concerned about national security than an ignorant hipster like you, Brendan.

Re: 30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

by Brendan » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:41 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
If you view war (or any fight) to be inevitable then the only rational option it to prepare yourself (physically, mentally, socially, etc.) the best in order to win.
This.
We have to fight. War is the only way. To save ourselves we must utterly destroy our enemies.
You know guys I think this troll may have a point. John, take the site down, burn the books. Lets get all the world leaders in a room and tell them they just need to hug this out. On a related note, I was thinking of this revolutionary new system of government where we all sacrifice ourselves for the "good of the people". We can call it community-ism. NO MORE GREED NO MORE FIGHTING.

Re: 30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

by Guest » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:33 am

Tillerson: US Diplomacy With North Korea Will Continue Until "The First Bomb Drops"

Get out of the way, Tillerson.

Re: 30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

by Guest » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:30 am

Guest wrote:
If you view war (or any fight) to be inevitable then the only rational option it to prepare yourself (physically, mentally, socially, etc.) the best in order to win.
This.
We have to fight. War is the only way. To save ourselves we must utterly destroy our enemies.

Re: 30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

by John » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:24 am

Coordinated fires wrote: > China is the number one threat to our national security, I truly
> don't know why this is controversial. This may sound dumb, but
> I've been aware of this since I was at least 10 years old. They
> were commies who flew migs with red stars on them, that was all I
> needed to know.
When I was in college, we had a joke: "The optimists learn Russian,
the pessimists learn Chinese."

Re: 30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

by Guest » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:09 am

If you view war (or any fight) to be inevitable then the only rational option it to prepare yourself (physically, mentally, socially, etc.) the best in order to win.
This.

Re: 30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

by Brendan » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:51 am

Bannon and Kissinger share the view that China and America are headed for a world war, and both are them are (in my view) desperately looking for a way to avoid it, by means of an economic alliance.
From the point of view of Generational Dynamics, avoiding this world war is impossible. In every century for millennia, every continent of the world has had massive wars that have killed half the population. In the last century, there were two world wars, plus additional massive wars in Africa, China, South America and South Asia. That this will happen in this century is 100% certain.
I don't think that this is the case. It is clear they both think we are headed toward war but the question remains on whether they think that it is inevitable or not. I no idea about Kissinger (but based on his support of realpolitik he probably view it similar) but we know Bannon knows and understands very acutely the implications of GD. So the choice is he either believes it or he doesn't and it seems pretty clear that he does. If he does then he knows what he is doing isn't going to stop the war but rather this is another tactic in fighting the war. Essentially he is trying to stop or at the very least slow down the leak in the time leading up to it. That seems like a more rational explanation than he believes in GD and that a trade deal could prevent war.... If you view war (or any fight) to be inevitable then the only rational option it to prepare yourself (physically, mentally, socially, etc.) the best in order to win.

Re: 30-Sep-17 World View -- Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger form project to sound alarm on China

by Brendan » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:43 am

Coordinated fires wrote:Most of the kids I go to school with spend their time in total oblivion on social media or partying. I spend most of my spare time reading Clausewitz, Thucydides, Rommel and Boyd. All in the knowledge that some day it will be my responsibility to be ready for the fight. When my grandfather was about my age, in 1941 he dropped out of university, joined the army, and was commissioned as a second Lieutenant, responsible for the men in his rifle platoon, he told me stories about incompetent platoon leaders, or even company commanders, who sometimes even got men killed. I do not presume to have anywhere near the ability or education of a military professional, but I swore to myself that if I ever found myself in my grandfathers shoes, I would have at least established some educational background and baseline level of competence, so as to not get men killed needlessly. I think if more people did this, it would make us a stronger nation.
It would but if our society had the prerequisite fear required in order to undergo that work there wouldn't be a lot of the problems we have in the first place.

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