Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?
Re: Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?
How to prepare for the coming collapse?
That is a good question and it depends how one can or wishes to deal with it.
A comment was made by a reader on Zero Hedge to a article regarding the coming political and economic collapse.
" It is like you are in a theater watching a horror show, and then you realize you are part of the show and the doors are locked"
OR - as an ancient Roman once said during Rome's decline, " Yes, I know Rome is corrupt, but where does one go ? every where else is worse"
Which then leads to the philosophical approach taken by some during the last days before the catastrophic collapse of Atlantis -- simply --- "enjoy the show". For it looks like it will be an "interesting" and" memorable" experience.
As for my self, I have a small business that provides a basic necessity with an acceptable cash flow, have no debt ,and some cash, and am as risk adverse as possible and should survive --I think.
However, I am making at least two assumptions. 1) I am assuming things don't get as bad as Paris was in "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens, with the resultant" Reign of Terror .And 2) We don't have total global nuclear war or some such thing..In either case all bets are off, and death may be the preferred course of action.
So, I guess, I will, as some on Zero Hedge say " get out the popcorn and watch the train wreck, there is nothing we can do, but enjoy the show".
PS-- for those of you who want to head for the hills and live in the back country you may experience privations that you may be unprepared for--- issues such as the lack of dentists, doctors, medicine, etc. you may then wish for death,-- as others have.
Sorry if I am not very up beat.
Gerald
That is a good question and it depends how one can or wishes to deal with it.
A comment was made by a reader on Zero Hedge to a article regarding the coming political and economic collapse.
" It is like you are in a theater watching a horror show, and then you realize you are part of the show and the doors are locked"
OR - as an ancient Roman once said during Rome's decline, " Yes, I know Rome is corrupt, but where does one go ? every where else is worse"
Which then leads to the philosophical approach taken by some during the last days before the catastrophic collapse of Atlantis -- simply --- "enjoy the show". For it looks like it will be an "interesting" and" memorable" experience.
As for my self, I have a small business that provides a basic necessity with an acceptable cash flow, have no debt ,and some cash, and am as risk adverse as possible and should survive --I think.
However, I am making at least two assumptions. 1) I am assuming things don't get as bad as Paris was in "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens, with the resultant" Reign of Terror .And 2) We don't have total global nuclear war or some such thing..In either case all bets are off, and death may be the preferred course of action.
So, I guess, I will, as some on Zero Hedge say " get out the popcorn and watch the train wreck, there is nothing we can do, but enjoy the show".
PS-- for those of you who want to head for the hills and live in the back country you may experience privations that you may be unprepared for--- issues such as the lack of dentists, doctors, medicine, etc. you may then wish for death,-- as others have.
Sorry if I am not very up beat.
Gerald
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Re: Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
Re: Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?
The following is a list of survivor necessities that may be helpful to readers.
With best regards.
100 Items to Disappear First
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens
From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.
1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches
With best regards.
100 Items to Disappear First
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens
From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.
1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches
Re: Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?
What is survival in a can ?
jusme
jusme
Re: Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?
Thank you Professor
That is very cool ! I've been 'Preping' since 2005 after Hurricane Katrina. I live in Fl. But I've never heard or seen those before.
I found this site in 2006 so I credit John and all the great contributor's of this site in helping me get my financial house in order.
I have bought direct from Mountain House, they're long life # 10 can foods.If I'm eating that we are in Big Trouble !
For anyone interested, there is a lot of good info on a site called American Preppers.
That was a good list you posted. And I will be adding some things I don't have. But I live in a Condo,only 900 Sq Ft under air and a screen porch so there's sadly so many thing's I can't store.
Seems to me I read some where a long time ago that you could store fuel by digging a hole and covering all but the spout of a gas can? I know you can't keep gas for very long and if there were criminal types roaming we would have to have resident sharing security anyway.
I shop at Publix Super Market also. In years past if they were out of things on the shelf you could ask and they would go in the back and bring out a product and re-stock . I was informed recently that they stock direct from the truck to the shelf.
The day's of plenty are over. If you haven't started a food storage don't wait .
Best to all.
jusme
That is very cool ! I've been 'Preping' since 2005 after Hurricane Katrina. I live in Fl. But I've never heard or seen those before.
I found this site in 2006 so I credit John and all the great contributor's of this site in helping me get my financial house in order.
I have bought direct from Mountain House, they're long life # 10 can foods.If I'm eating that we are in Big Trouble !
For anyone interested, there is a lot of good info on a site called American Preppers.
That was a good list you posted. And I will be adding some things I don't have. But I live in a Condo,only 900 Sq Ft under air and a screen porch so there's sadly so many thing's I can't store.
Seems to me I read some where a long time ago that you could store fuel by digging a hole and covering all but the spout of a gas can? I know you can't keep gas for very long and if there were criminal types roaming we would have to have resident sharing security anyway.
I shop at Publix Super Market also. In years past if they were out of things on the shelf you could ask and they would go in the back and bring out a product and re-stock . I was informed recently that they stock direct from the truck to the shelf.
The day's of plenty are over. If you haven't started a food storage don't wait .
Best to all.
jusme
Re: Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?
This disaster preparation site has lots of useful information .....Please click below:
http://www.americanpreppersnetwork.com/
http://www.americanpreppersnetwork.com/
Re: Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?
John, do you have any interest in 'gulching'? I just got back from Afghanistan with a small chunk of cash and I'd like to start one with it. I'm looking at cheap spartan real estate like old schools or warehouses and I'd like to start a software incubator/college alternative kind of thing. Basically like if IAP was all-year-round. I think you could contribute a lot to the nexus and hopefully something comes out of it. If not, we will at least be well-prepared for crisis survival. Any other members of this board?
Re: Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?
I think we should add:
Bug spray and a tent to that list as well as "military combat clothes" (as they dry out fast when wet and wear well).
Interesting list, hopefully we do not need it.
Bug spray and a tent to that list as well as "military combat clothes" (as they dry out fast when wet and wear well).
Interesting list, hopefully we do not need it.
Re: Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?
If you are new to this you will want to try Jim Rawles' site as well-
http://survivalblog.com/ so much information.....
Regular lurker for a long time now.. rare poster.. Thanks John!
Rammstein
http://survivalblog.com/ so much information.....
Regular lurker for a long time now.. rare poster.. Thanks John!
Rammstein
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