Higgie,Higgenbotham wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:07 pmRichard, which PE ratio do you favor to find the PE ratio trend - trailing 12 month, forward, Shiller, etc.? Do you find that the PE ratio trend and price trend ever deviate from each other when you use the PE ratio you favor?richard5za wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:38 amHiggie, you have been doing some interesting work.
My q uestion is do I buy and hold (Or sell and hold) or do I short term trade
So my view is determine your type of trading from the trend and especially considering the P?E ratio trend. So for example look at a chart of the Dow 1900 through to 2000 for the P/E ratio only You will see that in this 100 year period there were 4 up P/E ratio trends and 4 down P/E ratio trends, even as low as 5.
Since ther P/E ratio is the greatest driver of share price in an up P/E ratio trend you buy and hold. So if h
the P/E ratio goes for 8 to 24 you have a 3 fold increase in price before the earnings pushes it up further. In a down P/E ratio trend you short term trade mostly in shorts rather than longs.
Another view.
I have done well this year short term trading so far averaging a gain of just over 8% per month compound calculated. I think more than 2/3rds of the trades have been same day, nothing longer than a week. I always set up the stop losses when I enter the trade so that large losses never materialise (they stop out)
Looking at PE ratios of sectors of the market that have existed throughout most of market history (like autos) shows many in single digits near previous historical lows in PE. Some notable investors are saying the market is cheap here (Ron Baron being a recent example). However, I think in most cases this is due to the earnings (and margins) being temporarily bloated rather than the stocks being truly cheap. If earnings were to fall faster than the stock prices, PE ratios could go up from here at the same time stock prices go down. Would that indicate that the stock market is a buy? Something like this happened in 2008 where the PE ratio actually spiked up as the market made its low. In the fourth quarter of 2008 S&P 500 earnings went negative.
I favour Shiller.
The roots of my stock market / investing understanding is based upon the research of Crestmont research. I have purchased all their books and I get their quarterly newsletter (free of charge) If you are familiar with this work then I don't need explain that I am expecting a low point in the P/E ratio which is below 10. I think that 2008 could have been that point except for Fed interference in the markets and it never got low enough.
I am recovering from Covid at present so will write more ina day or two