Music and Generations

The Silent Generation, the Baby Boomer Generation, Generation-X, the Millennial Generation (or Generation-Y) and the Pivotal Generation (Generation Z)
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John
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Music and Generations

Post by John »

Susan Boyle's hugely surprising performance on the tv show "Britain's
Got Talent" last week is the first time that I can remember --
possibly since the Beatles -- that a sweet, melodious song became
hugely popular.

If you haven't seen her performance yet, then you're in for a treat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY

This widespread popularity for Susan Boyle's performance may well
mark a change back to the type of music that was popular in the 1930s
and 1940s -- sweet, melodious, escapist music that people can people
can dance to, in order to forget their troubles for a few hours.

This is a big change from the nihilistic Generation-X music that's
been popular since the 1980s, as I wrote about this in the following
article:

** Does Susan Boyle's sudden popularity signal new direction for popular music?
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... b#e090418b


Sincerely,

John

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Post by wvbill »

It is a good sign -- I hope the trend continues.

More generally, I think we should see a "slowing down" from the "rat race" as values shift -- either voluntary or by force -- towards more deep and more lasting.

I believe there is a spiritual dynamic to these cycles -- one that requires major change, but will ultimately bring a much better world -- perhaps with much fewer people in it.

Bill

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John wrote: This is a big change from the nihilistic Generation-X music that's
been popular since the 1980s, as I wrote about this in the following
article:
You know, it's interesting John. Nihilistic music is really a Boomer creation. The Stooges, The Sex Pistols, Circle Jerks, Black Flag, (insert other ~1980 hardcore group), etc. are all Boomer Groups. Gen-X music of the 1990s were hugely influenced by these artists, but they veered away from the overall message.

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Dear Matt,
Matt1989 wrote:
John wrote: This is a big change from the nihilistic Generation-X music that's
been popular since the 1980s, as I wrote about this in the following
article:
You know, it's interesting John. Nihilistic music is really a Boomer creation. The Stooges, The Sex Pistols, Circle Jerks, Black Flag, (insert other ~1980 hardcore group), etc. are all Boomer Groups. Gen-X music of the 1990s were hugely influenced by these artists, but they veered away from the overall message.
Yeah, but that's not the issue. The point is that Boomers listened to
Elvis, who was born in 1935, and the Beatles, who were born in
1940-42, while Xers listened to the other groups you mentioned
(most of whom I'm completely unfamiliar with).

Sincerely,

John

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Post by drsteph »

John et al,

I found this event very telling. While you can't really pinpoint a trend change on a single datum (data point), its a real eye-opener to see that viral video make it across the web so quickly. And I have no doubt that she will achieve, in her own way, a bit of super stardom. But consider what it means to the media machine - their carefully planned and orchestrated product usurped by a homely nobody who makes julia child a looker. (regrets to the singer - I found her singing amazing, but let's be honest here)
Anyway, what I think is more important is the phenomenon of a trend against the beautiful people - a rejection of the pre-packaged, plastic-surgerized, impossibly thin yet busty britney-spears-like pop star who may not really have a bit of talent, but has been analyzed and felt to represent the best return on investment for a particular demographic group (the tweeners who have boyfriends who drive, etc.)
The concept I recall from old black and white movies of the 40's and 50's is the idea of the glorification of 'everyman' - where the average bloke didn't need to feel bad about being average, driving a chevrolet, and living in a 'starter home' in queens commuting into the city. Seems that we may be returning to that paradigm - when sexy was more about who you were and what you could do, rather than how you were packaged. Frankly, I wouldn't mind the change at all.

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Post by Marshall Kane »

Peggy Noonan http://topics.wsj.com/article/SB123992073614326997.html of the WSJ touched on some of these trends this week. Echoing drsteph:

People will be allowed to grow old again. There will be a certain liberation in this. There will be fewer facelifts and browlifts, less Botox, less dyed hair among both men and women. They will look more like people used to look, before perfection came in. Middle-aged bodies will be thicker and softer, with more maternal and paternal give. There will be fewer gyms and fewer trainers, but more walking. Gym machines produced the pumped and cut look. They won't be so affordable now.

Hollywood will take the cue. During the depression, stars such as Clark Gable were supposed to look like normal men. Physical perfection would have distanced them from their audience. Now leading men are made of megamuscles, exaggerated versions of their audience. That will change.


Goodbye Bland Affluence
Get ready for authenticity chic.
By PEGGY NOONAN

A small sign of the times: USA Today this week ran an article about a Michigan family that, under financial pressure, decided to give up credit cards, satellite television, high-tech toys and restaurant dining, to live on a 40-acre farm and become more self-sufficient. The Wojtowicz family—36-year-old Patrick, his wife Melissa, 37, and their 15-year-old daughter Gabrielle—have become, in the words of reporter Judy Keen, "21st century homesteaders," raising pigs and chickens, planning a garden and installing a wood furnace.

Mr. Wojtowicz was a truck driver frustrated by long hauls that kept him away from his family, and worried about a shrinking salary. His wife was self-employed and worked at home. They worked hard and had things but, Mr. Wojtowicz said, there was a "void." "We started analyzing what it was that we were really missing. We were missing being around each other." So he gave up his job and now works the land his father left him near Alma, Mich. His economic plan was pretty simple: "As long as we can keep decreasing our bills we can keep making less money."

The paper weirdly headlined them "economic survivalists," which perhaps reflected an assumption that anyone who leaves a conventional, material-driven life for something more physically rigorous but emotionally coherent is by definition making a political statement. But it didn't look political from the story they told. They didn't look like people trying to figure out how to survive as much as people trying to figure out how to live. The picture that accompanied the article showed a happy family playing Scrabble with a friend.

Their story hit a nerve. There was a lively comment thread on the paper's Web site, with more than 300 people writing in. "They look pretty happy to me," said a commenter. "My husband and I are making some of the same decisions." Another: "I don't know if this is so much survivalism as a return to common sense." Another: "The more stuff you own the harder you have to work to maintain it."

To some degree the Wojtowicz story sounded like the future, or the future as a lot of people are hoping it will be: pared down, more natural, more stable, less full of enervating overstimulation, of what Walker Percy called the "trivial magic" of modern times.

The article offered data suggesting the Wojtowiczes are part of a recent trend. People are gardening more if you go by the sales of vegetable seeds and transplants, up 30% over last year at the country's largest seed company. Sales of canning and preserving products are also up. Companies that make sewing products say more people are learning to sew. I have a friend in Manhattan who took to surfing the Web over the past six months looking for small- and farm towns in which to live. The general manager of a national real-estate company told USA Today that more customers want to "live simply in a less-expensive place."

Some of this—the desire to live less expensively, and perhaps with greater simplicity—seems to key off what I am seeing in Manhattan, a place still generally with more grievances than grief, and with a greater imagination about how badly things are going to go than how bad it is right now. Many think that no matter how much money is sloshing through the system from Washington, creating waves that lead to upticks, the recession is really a depression. We won't "come out of it," as the phrase goes, for five or seven years, because the downturn is systemic, global, and because the old esprit is gone. The baby boomers who for 40 years, from 1968 through 2008, did the grunt work of the great abundance—work was always a long-haul trip for them, they were the first in the office in 1975 and are the last to leave the office to this day—know the era they built is over, that something new is beginning, something more subdued and altogether more mysterious. The old markers of success—money, status, power—will not quite apply as they have. They watch and work as the future emerges.

In New York some signs of that future are obvious: fewer cars, less traffic, less of the old busy hum of the economic beehive. New York will, literally, get dimmer. Its magical bright-light nighttime skyline will glitter less as fewer companies inhabit the skyscrapers and put on the lights that make the city glow.

A prediction: By 2010 the mayor, in a variation on broken-window theory, will quietly enact a bright-light theory, demanding that developers leave the lights on whether there are tenants in the buildings or not, lest the world stand on a rise in New Jersey and get the impression no one's here and nobody cares.

The New York of the years 1750 to 2008—a city that existed for money and for all the arts and delights and beauties money brings—is for the first time going to struggle with questions about its reason for being. This will cause profound dislocations. For a good while the young will continue to flock in, for cheaper rents. Artists will still want to gather with artists—you cannot pick up the Metropolitan Museum and put it in Alma, Mich. But there will be a certain diminution in the assumption of superiority on which New York has long run, and been allowed, by America, to run.

More predictions. The cities and suburbs of America are about to get rougher-looking. This will not be all bad. There will be a certain authenticity chic. Storefronts, pristine buildings—all will spend less on upkeep, and gleam less.

So will humans. People will be allowed to grow old again. There will be a certain liberation in this. There will be fewer facelifts and browlifts, less Botox, less dyed hair among both men and women. They will look more like people used to look, before perfection came in. Middle-aged bodies will be thicker and softer, with more maternal and paternal give. There will be fewer gyms and fewer trainers, but more walking. Gym machines produced the pumped and cut look. They won't be so affordable now.

Hollywood will take the cue. During the depression, stars such as Clark Gable were supposed to look like normal men. Physical perfection would have distanced them from their audience. Now leading men are made of megamuscles, exaggerated versions of their audience. That will change.

The new home fashion will be spare. This will be the return of an old WASP style: the good, frayed carpet; dogs that look like dogs and not a hairdo in a teacup, as miniature dogs back from the canine boutique do now.

A friend, noting what has and will continue to happen with car sales, said America will look like Havana—old cars and faded grandeur. It won't. It will look like 1970, only without the bell-bottoms and excessive hirsuteness. More families will have to live together. More people will drink more regularly. Secret smoking will make a comeback as part of a return to simple pleasures. People will slow down. Mainstream religion will come back. Walker Percy again: Bland affluence breeds fundamentalism. Bland affluence is over.

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On that subject, Saturday's Dear Abby was from a woman in Eugene, Oregon, who was mortified by her mother's physical appearance - loose, comfortable clothing, flyaway hair, no makeup (oh! noes!) and on one occasion, no bra. I wrote back and sais that at any senior center there will be some of the older women who are neatly bra'd and girdled, wearing makeup, their hair carefully dyes, curled, teased, and lacquered - that she find one with no family who would be glad to be taken into society by her, and adopt her as a foster grandmother. And let Mom hang out with those who like her as she is.

The age of packaging is not over. But anyone mortified by their family members not being properly packaged somehow gets under my skin. And it's not even a child, whose appearance and manners actually WILL reflect on the mother until she hits her teens.

And BTW: I sincerely hope the letter is published and that Mortified actually does adopt the old Depression Baby lady. Do them both good.

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