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Liar John Redefines Tribal Thinking

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John wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:04 pm
In this sense, Bob Butler is right when he talks about "tribal thinkers," trapped in the policies of previous generations and eras. But he's absolutely, completely wrong when he identifies who those "tribal thinkers" are. It's certainly not the members of this forum, as he's claimed in the past, and it's not Trump supporters or Republicans. Today, the term "tribal thinkers" is synonymous with "KKK Democrats," the people responsible for far-left Socialist policies like killing and massacring blacks, and indoctrinating children with CRT hatred and bigotry. Those are the "tribal thinkers," adopting the policies of last century, hoping that "The
South Will Rise Again," hoping that the blacks can be re-enslaved, and hoping that the Democrats will win the next American Civil War.
Well, first Xenakis does not get to redefine ’Tribal Thinker’. It is when you think your race is somehow superior, develop prejudice, and implement oppression and violence. The classic example is the Japanese in early World War II against the Chinese at the Marco Polo bridge. White supremacists are another example of folks that believe themselves superior. ‘Tribal thinker’ was really defined in Henrich’s ‘The Weirdest People in the World.’ If Xenakis has another of his unusual ideas, he ought not to use another writer’s label.

It is quite simple. Minorities are often oppressed. The oppressors are the tribal thinkers. This would be the bad cops, KKK and Neo Nazi in recent times. It would not be the Democrats, who have the support of the minorities. Just compare Biden’s people to Trump’s if you doubt this. Thus, Xenakis has it backwards.

He is still refusing to acknowledge that the US major parties swapped places on racial policy in the last awakening. LBJ allied with MLK and instigated the war on poverty. The Republicans responded with the southern strategy. The people doing the killing today are the bad cops, KKK and Neo Nazi, all lightly affiliated with the GOP. The victims of oppression and violence vote Democratic, especially in the cities, in an attempt to minimize the effect of prejudice.

If the south rises again it will still be the rural racist south. They are apt to do it under the Republicans, while in Lincoln’s time it was under Democrats. I am not seeing that much movement in that direction, however.

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Re: Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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Butler - when you go to generational-theory.com, do you
also get "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded"?

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John wrote:
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Butler - when you go to generational-theory.com, do you also get "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded"?
Yep. I have been assuming it is a monthly thing, but haven't done anything.

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Re: Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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** 28-Nov-2021 World View: Tribal Thinking by Butler and the KKK Democrats
Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:01 pm
> Well, first Xenakis does not get to redefine ’Tribal Thinker’. It
> is when you think your race is somehow superior, develop
> prejudice, and implement oppression and violence. The classic
> example is the Japanese in early World War II against the Chinese
> at the Marco Polo bridge. White supremacists are another example
> of folks that believe themselves superior. ‘Tribal thinker’ was
> really defined in Henrich’s ‘The Weirdest People in the World.’
> If Xenakis has another of his unusual ideas, he ought not to use
> another writer’s label.
First, you do not get to define "Tribal Thinker." You can google the
term "tribal thinker" and get lots of links that don't match your
definition. Here's one:

https://conversational-leadership.net/tribal-thinking/

Second, you have in the past described yourself in the past as
superior to the other members of this forum, describing them as
"tribal thinkers," and describing yourself as enlightened. This means
that you fit your own definition of "tribal thinker."

Third, the KKK Democrats consider themselves superior to the
Republicans and Tea Partiers, and the 75 million Trump supporters,
referring to them as "teabaggers," "cultists," "white supremacists,"
"racists," "domestic terrorists," and so forth, and they use "critical
race theory" to develop prejudice, and implement oppression and
violence, through censorship of opposing thought and through mass
killing and massacring of blacks in cities run by Democrats.

So the KKK Democrats precisely fit your definition of "Tribal
Thinkers," and so do you.
Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:01 pm
> It is quite simple. Minorities are often oppressed. The
> oppressors are the tribal thinkers. This would be the bad cops,
> KKK and Neo Nazi in recent times. It would not be the Democrats,
> who have the support of the minorities. Just compare Biden’s
> people to Trump’s if you doubt this. Thus, Xenakis has it
> backwards.
Trump's people are in favor of Making America Great Again -- liberty,
freedom, small government, energy independence, and low taxes.
Biden's people are the KKK Democrats, deferring to China and OPEC, in
favor of killing and massacring blacks, huge government, high taxes,
and oppression of minorities, especially blacks, Asians, and Trump
supporters.
Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:01 pm
> He is still refusing to acknowledge that the US major parties
> swapped places on racial policy in the last awakening. LBJ allied
> with MLK and instigated the war on poverty. The Republicans
> responded with the southern strategy. The people doing the
> killing today are the bad cops, KKK and Neo Nazi, all lightly
> affiliated with the GOP. The victims of oppression and violence
> vote Democratic, especially in the cities, in an attempt to
> minimize the effect of prejudice.

> If the south rises again it will still be the rural racist south.
> They are apt to do it under the Republicans, while in Lincoln’s
> time it was under Democrats. I am not seeing that much movement
> in that direction, however.
I've never acknowledged it because it's a lie. It's a lie told by you
and the KKK Democrats and other "tribal thinkers" to hide your
continual oppressive and violent behavior. The proof is in the
pudding. Blacks are being killed and massacred in Democrat-run
cities, not in Republican-run cities. Critical Race Theory is a
rejection of MLK's dream of judging a person by the content of his
character, not by the color of his skin. The Democrats reject MLK's
dream with CRT that judges a person by the color of his skin. The
Republicans agree with MLK's dream. So in every respect, it's you and
the KKK Democrats who are guilty of oppressive behavior and tribal
thinking.

You keep talking about the "Southern Strategy," but you have no idea
what it was about. When Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of
1964, he said, "It is an important gain, but I think we just delivered
the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come."

That's because the Southern Democrats were totally pissed off and
infuriated by having been betrayed by Johnson. They felt like they
had lost the Civil War all over again. They moved to the Republican
party to get even with Johnson and the Democrats.

(We see the same thing today, when AOC recently said that if Pelosi
and Schumer didn't pass the massive tax and spend proposal, then they
would not vote for any other Democrat party proposals ever. That's
exactly what the Southern Democrats did.)

If a politician promotes policies that help women, that doesn't
make him a woman. If he promotes policies that help Catholics,
that doesn't make him a Catholic. And when the Republicans
promoted policies to help Southern Democrats, that didn't make
them racists.

The Republicans continued to want blacks to succeed, with good jobs,
low unemployment, and complete freedom. The Republicans attracted the
Southern Democrats by emphasizing the betrayal of Lyndon Johnson, and
by emphasizing policies related the evangelical Christianity, small
government, low taxes, and reject of feminism.

The Democrats remained racist, and that was clear in 1977 when Joe
Biden opposed busing by saying, "Unless we do something about this, my
children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial
jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode
at some point. We have got to make some move on this." It was clear
when Biden made numerous racist remarks after that. It was clear when
Biden eulogized Robert Byrd at his funeral. And it was clear when
Hunter Biden's laptop contained e-mail messages with racist epithets.
And, of course, the real proof is that Democrats are killing and
massacring blacks today, while the Democrats are pushing CRT, which is
the 21st century version of Jim Crow laws, designed to keep blacks in
the place, telling them, for example, not to learn math because math
is "racist." Let's Go Brandon.

So the claim that the Republicans and Democrats "switched places" is
completely a lie by you and the KKK Democrats to hide your racism and
hatred of blacks. Nothing changed. The Republicans still want blacks
to be free and to do well, while the Democrats want to keep them in
their place with CRT and by destroying their families. And it's you
and the KKK Democrats who are the "tribal thinkers," not the
Republicans and not the Trump supporters.

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Weird definitions of Tribal Thinking

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It is apparent that David Gurteen, author of the piece you linked to, has a different definition than Henrich. A tribe by his definition is any group with a common interest. Thus, if you are a member of any group which strives against another, you are tribal and thus are thinking tribally (G). This is not how Henrich or I use the term.

Henrich speaks of Tribal Thinking (H) as opposing the WEIRD, western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic (lower case). He sets out a struggle between the two groups, so thus one is by definition not tribal thinking.

I can sympathize a bit with Gurteen. If you tightly bond with a group, you likely share the groups beliefs and values and disregard things like science, fact, logic, history, etc…. His is a valid concept worth expression. It is not, however, how the term is used by Henrich and I.

The center from my perspective is in believing one’s self superior, thus justifying prejudice, oppression and violence against other groups. The Japanese attitude at the Marco Polo bridge or the Nazi attitude towards the Jews are examples.

Again, the reason why Democrats tend to win in cities where Tribal Thinking (by Henrich’s definition) is commonly practiced is as the victims vote against people who practice it.

So, yes, as the Democrats contest against another group, they are Tribal Thinkers (G) but not Tribal Thinkers (H). But the two major parties would always be Tribal Thinkers (G).

Trump’s people are indeed into small government and low taxes. This is often quite legitimate except when the side motive is to hurt minorities. They do believe in liberty and freedom for themselves, while limiting somewhat what the government does for minorities. The desire for small government and low taxes has amounted to not solving problems. Thus, obstructionism. Thus people die of Covid, bad cops, falling bridges, hurricanes, fires, etc…. This won them votes and the ability to set policy during the unraveling. The Crisis? Times do change. The problems become obvious enough that a solution is found. The basic values of America were determined by the Revolution, Civil War, Great Depression and World War II. The old values and policies were seen as failing, thus the need to reinvent America, to create new policy. I do not think much of those who ignore the problems.

I go with the main line interpretation of the Southern Strategy. I am aware you are a tribal thinker by either definition. Thus getting you to accept fact, reason, logic or history would be by either definition difficult or impossible. Perhaps some time I will address your alternate interpretation of what happened with LBJ, MLK and Nixon yet again. Right now, the next football game is coming on.

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Re: Anti Vaccination Problem...

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:58 pm
It is too soon to be sure, but I expect the tolerance for the killers is apt to decline.
It's easy to see from the above post that Bob is getting excited about a possible "genocide" against the unvaccinated, likely because he thinks most of them are either minorities or Trump supporters.

John is proved right again.

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Re: Anti Vaccination Problem...

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spootybrowncow wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:09 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:58 pm
It is too soon to be sure, but I expect the tolerance for the killers is apt to decline.
It's easy to see from the above post that Bob is getting excited about a possible "genocide" against the unvaccinated, likely because he thinks most of them are either minorities or Trump supporters.

John is proved right again.
I am more concerned that some people are letting Covid linger. Originally, Trump thought a strong economy would win him reelection. Thus started the do not cure Covid / do not save lives thing. If we could have gotten enough people vaccinated, the deaths, isolation, travel restrictions and economic disruption cold have ended. Now? The lack of concern for their fellow men and rejection of science and prudence is a Red Killer. I will admit it didn't bother me that much when it was primarily stupid people choosing the right to kill themselves, but killing the general public is a problem.

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Re: Anti Vaccination Problem...

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Bob Butler wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:50 pm
spootybrowncow wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:09 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:58 pm
It is too soon to be sure, but I expect the tolerance for the killers is apt to decline.
It's easy to see from the above post that Bob is getting excited about a possible "genocide" against the unvaccinated, likely because he thinks most of them are either minorities or Trump supporters.

John is proved right again.
I am more concerned that some people are letting Covid linger. Originally, Trump thought a strong economy would win him reelection. Thus started the do not cure Covid / do not save lives thing. If we could have gotten enough people vaccinated, the deaths, isolation, travel restrictions and economic disruption cold have ended. Now? The lack of concern for their fellow men and rejection of science and prudence is a Red Killer. I will admit it didn't bother me that much when it was primarily stupid people choosing the right to kill themselves, but killing the general public is a problem.
Bob,
I don’t know how in depth you’ve looked at the published data, but the regurgitated talking points you’ve shared against those who oppose mRNA therapy seem incitory and ill-informed. Many of us who are hesitant are well-educated like Dr. Peter Doshi assoc. editor of the British Medical Journal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvM5meOXk9o

While I don’t have my PhD, I have a master’s in nursing, and 20 years of practice in treating patients with infections diseases (HIV and HCV). After studying the published data (not others’ interpretations, but the actual numbers of the studies for both Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J), I was floored. Relative risk numbers were being touted as “effectiveness” of the injections after only days or weeks of surveillance. All three shots were given EUAs with only short-term data (less than 3 months), and that’s what was published in their package inserts on their company websites as well as what was submitted to the FDA. Reporting of breakthrough infections to the FDA was halted in the spring, and there was no obligation to keep track of adverse events once the “vaccine program” was rolled out to the general public. At best, this was all sloppy science, but as a healthcare provider who has reported adverse outcomes, including the death of a patient who was on a investigational treatment protocol, documentation is part of our job. Now, those of us who want data to guide our decisions are left wading through a mire of “information” to find n values large enough to be meaningful and p values that are statistically significant.
As for tribal thinking and minorities being victimized... the aboriginal people of Australia are being gathered in to concentration camps—er, I mean quarantine camps by the Aussie govt all in the name of science and safety. Haven’t we seen this before? Oh yes, Hitler rounded up a segment of the population in Poland because they were carriers of typhoid.

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Re: Anti Vaccination Problem...

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Bob Butler wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:50 pm
spootybrowncow wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:09 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:58 pm
It is too soon to be sure, but I expect the tolerance for the killers is apt to decline.
It's easy to see from the above post that Bob is getting excited about a possible "genocide" against the unvaccinated, likely because he thinks most of them are either minorities or Trump supporters.

John is proved right again.
I am more concerned that some people are letting Covid linger. Originally, Trump thought a strong economy would win him reelection. Thus started the do not cure Covid / do not save lives thing. If we could have gotten enough people vaccinated, the deaths, isolation, travel restrictions and economic disruption cold have ended. Now? The lack of concern for their fellow men and rejection of science and prudence is a Red Killer. I will admit it didn't bother me that much when it was primarily stupid people choosing the right to kill themselves, but killing the general public is a problem.
This is quite a bit too far. Inflammatory and actually inciting hatred. In the name of science, spreading misinformation and regurgitated lies. Outright lies that any scientist knows as falsehood.
Bob is clearly off his meds and on to the strong stuff. It's people like this, inflamed onto mindless bloodthirsty range.... Yes a clear sign we're entering territory which cannot be retraced but rather must be resolved by any means necessary.
Tame the hate and get educated, polyticker the ignorant.

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Re: Anti Vaccination Problem...

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Wags wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:17 am
Bob,
I don’t know how in depth you’ve looked at the published data, but the regurgitated talking points you’ve shared against those who oppose mRNA therapy seem incitory and ill-informed...
As more stuff comes out, it seems much of the early press coverage was alarmist. One doctor who dealt with cases suggested the new variant may spread more but much fewer of the victims get severe or lethal symptoms. You watch in case you need to move to stricter methods, but there is less chance of overloading the health system. Most can medicate at home. The official response seems to be to impose travel bans but not change internal precautions.

It does make sense. Humans will try to wipe out lethal or crippling diseases like smallpox or polio, but tolerate things like the cold or flu. Thus, from an evolutionary viewpoint, a disease is more likely to thrive by becoming less lethal.

At the practical level, I am not looking to abandon my one activity where I interact with people, but they do have a masking policy well enforced. But I still think poorly about those who resist precautions, who continue to spread the disease.

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