Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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Re: Science and Conspiracy Theories

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Bob Butler wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:28 pm
From your chart above, I see that shortly after the vaccines were introduced, polio vanished. You see this as justification for a conspiracy theory which I do not see. It is one thing to generate a conspiracy theory. It is another to find evidence for it.
Is it a conspiracy theory when Dr. Fauci starts to back pedal?

Dr. Fauci opens up the possibility that the COVID-19 vaccine could be making people more likely to be infected by the virus.

"This would not be the first time, if it happened, that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse."

https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/ ... lit%2Fc%2F
“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; - Exodus 20:5

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Joe Rogan #1747 with Dr. Peter McCullough is pretty interesting. Why did they deceive people by saying there is no early treatment to push the vaccine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvkjAJy7s5w

The simulated SPARS virus epidemic in 2017 almost predicted COVID-19.

https://carterheavyindustries.files.wor ... 5-2028.pdf
This is a hypothetical scenario designed to illustrate the public health risk communication
challenges that could potentially emerge during a naturally occurring infectious disease outbreak
requiring development and distribution of novel and/or investigational drugs, vaccines,
therapeutics, or other medical countermeasures.
The infectious pathogen, medical countermeasures, characters, news media excerpts, social media
posts, and government agency responses described herein are entirely fictional.
This pretty much came true 2 years later.
“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; - Exodus 20:5

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Re: Science and Conspiracy Theories

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tim wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:25 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:28 pm
From your chart above, I see that shortly after the vaccines were introduced, polio vanished. You see this as justification for a conspiracy theory which I do not see. It is one thing to generate a conspiracy theory. It is another to find evidence for it.
Is it a conspiracy theory when Dr. Fauci starts to back pedal?

Dr. Fauci opens up the possibility that the COVID-19 vaccine could be making people more likely to be infected by the virus.

"This would not be the first time, if it happened, that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse."

https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/ ... lit%2Fc%2F
Scientific evidence instead of wild political conspiracy theories please.

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Re: Science and Conspiracy Theories

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Bob Butler wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:55 pm
tim wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:25 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:28 pm
From your chart above, I see that shortly after the vaccines were introduced, polio vanished. You see this as justification for a conspiracy theory which I do not see. It is one thing to generate a conspiracy theory. It is another to find evidence for it.
Is it a conspiracy theory when Dr. Fauci starts to back pedal?

Dr. Fauci opens up the possibility that the COVID-19 vaccine could be making people more likely to be infected by the virus.

"This would not be the first time, if it happened, that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse."

https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/ ... lit%2Fc%2F
Scientific evidence instead of wild political conspiracy theories please.
Coming from a true believer in wild conspiracy theories, that's just quite rich. You should look into this matter more deeply. From all angles. There's quite a bit involved below the surface.

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Bob Butler wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:55 pm
tim wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:25 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:28 pm
From your chart above, I see that shortly after the vaccines were introduced, polio vanished. You see this as justification for a conspiracy theory which I do not see. It is one thing to generate a conspiracy theory. It is another to find evidence for it.
Is it a conspiracy theory when Dr. Fauci starts to back pedal?

Dr. Fauci opens up the possibility that the COVID-19 vaccine could be making people more likely to be infected by the virus.

"This would not be the first time, if it happened, that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse."

https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/ ... lit%2Fc%2F
Scientific evidence instead of wild political conspiracy theories please.
Original antigenic sin— It’s why medicine has struggled to produce effective vaccines for some viruses (like HIV, HCV, and now (likely) SARS Cov2). Not only does the vaccine target a protein that is no longer in circulation due to rapid mutations of the virus, but the first exposure becomes the one your immune system remembers. Then, when you get exposed to a later variant, your immune system pumps out antibodies based on your very first exposure to whatever circulating coronavirus was around from your childhood (not always effective).
Remember coronaviruses make up 10-15% of the “cold viruses” that circulate, so everyone on this forum has had prior exposure to a coronavirus long before Covid was spliced.
That is a SUPER simplified version, but you can read more on original antigenic sin below in the published scientific peer-reviewed medical journal articles available on PubMed.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9697771/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32582200/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33692194/

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Ukraine

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I recall John’s account of the Marco Polo bridge indecent, on how the Japanese had a well developed dislike of the Chinese that motivated and enhanced their military. Germany had a similar dislike of Jews, Slavs and others. This effective hatred or prejudice has a real place in modern conflicts such as in the Middle East or Africa. It is a good idea to build up a hatred of your enemy.

The Ukraine? The usual pattern seems not to be there. There was no attempt by Russia to propagandize and hate the people of the Ukraine. As a result many Russian forces are surrendering easily or even sabotaging their own operations. By many reports Ukraine forces are not focused on a hatred of the invaders. In fact they are treating prisoners well. But they have a will to resist invasion of their homeland and fight to keep their form of government.

If anything what is going on confirms John’s point. The motivation of the people and army may play a more important role than the position of the government.

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Refugees

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Another difference is the 'refugee problem'. People who do not care to live in a land where they experience prejudiced in, or those who do not care for an imposed style of government, move to somewhere else where they don't have these problems. It is a solution that works for the people in question, but presents something of a problem for the lands where they settle. It is said that the refugee problem is worse now in Europe than at any time since World War II.

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Tactics & Logistics

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One key to the Ukraine resistance is targeting fuel trucks. Russia has been traditionally dependent on railroads within their own territory, but their military trucking has been short. Among other things, too much mud and too few roads in much of the area. It has turned out to be hard to protect the fuel trucks. They can be taken out by automatic fire or Molotov cocktails, while tanks require specialized weaponry. The result has been to stall movement. One wave of back and forth has been camouflage for the fuel trucks with hints to breaking the camouflage by Ukraine.

Another element has been Russian 'push' control of logistics. How their limited logistic system is used depends on planning more than field lacks. Reports are that ammunition has been given a higher priority than food and fuel.

Comparisons have been made to Afghanistan. Logistic problems outside their own territory accompanied by a supply of man portable missiles for use against aircraft and tanks proved decisive.

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The Basic Question

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Tom Mazanec wrote:
Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:34 am
March 16, 2022
Why Russia Invaded Ukraine
By John Horvat II
https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... raine.html
There is a method to this madness. One final result of the Ukraine war will be this permanent division between East and West. It will signal the failure of the post-Cold War experiment that was supposed to signal the end of history. A major geopolitical realignment will take place that could have dramatic consequences and lead to world war.
Again, the basic question being decided is whether nukes, proxy war, insurgent war and sanctions can become a significant deterrent against aggressive autocracy. Are we ready for a different process from the Industrial Age to the Information Age. The Ukraine War says yes. The Russians are scrambling for money and supplies before engaging NATO. If Russia continues to escalate, if they commit atrocities while running their army dry, eventually NATO may dive in. This still looks impossible, but things are moving fast. Check in in about a week.

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Should your culture embrace prejudice and oppression?

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John wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:01 am
Thanks for the virtue signaling, but Generational Dynamics does not
legitimize violence.

A weatherman who predicts that a hurricane is coming does not legitimize
the hurricane. He's simply telling you what's coming, and not saying
whether it's good or evil.

Generational Dynamics is like the weather forecaster for the world.
It predicts events without saying whether they're good or evil.

My personal opinion is that the great sociopathic genocidal monsters
-- Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Min
Aung Hlaing, Bashar al-Assad, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping -- are all
evil.
Except I get the impression of justifying hatred in order to improve the effectiveness of your people. In the description of the Marco Polo bridge incident, it seems cool from the Japanese perspective of the time to have your troops dislike the Chinese. Oppression becomes more oppressive with a dislike of the other. In part that is one of the Russian ‘flaws’ in the recent war, in not spending effort to cause their troops to hate their victims. In part it is whether you are describing your own culture or a foreign one. It is one thing to objectively scientifically predict one group in the Middle East will feel itself superior to another and justified in seizing control, while the other group wishes to live their own life and reject that control. If anything, you can scientifically objectively predict the former, but sympathize with the latter.

It becomes another thing to support Trump in spite of his perceived dislike of minorities. If you are continuing a tradition of hating and oppressing another group, to some degree your leader belongs with Stalin, Hitler, Mao and the rest of your always incomplete list. The objective is to make sure hatred and oppression is not cost effective in the Information Age, to make sure hatred oppression and prejudice are not effective tools when sizing power by force. In a sense, you are proving Generational Dynamics wrong, fighting the trends that made vile behavior common. While hatred, prejudice and oppression were so common as to seem inevitable, so much so the scientifically objectively predicting they will happens seems true, it is not clear that they will remain common in modern times.

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