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** 19-Mar-2022 World View: WW III vs WW II

thomasglee wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:29 pm

> You still don’t realize the reality of the world. WWIII was
> started by both sides. It’s all planned. Call me idiotic I don’t
> care. At least I’m not so blind as you. You live in the reality
> you’ve created for yourself and you can buy into it all you
> want.

OK. I'm easy to get along with. I'll agree that WW III was started
by both sides. Biden's contribution was destroying America's energy
independence and by the disastrous exit from Afghanistan. Putin's
contribution was annexing Crimea and invading Ukraine.

It's the same as WW II in Europe. It was started by both sides.
English contribution was appeasing Hitler. Hitler's contribution was
invading and annexing Czechoslovakia.

It's the same for hurricanes and earthquakes. They're everyone's
fault and nobody's fault.

But if you're going to say that WW III has already begun and started
by both sides, then Corbett's podcast is total nonsense.

John wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:55 pm

** 19-Mar-2022 World View: WW III vs WW II

thomasglee wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:29 pm

> You still don’t realize the reality of the world. WWIII was
> started by both sides. It’s all planned. Call me idiotic I don’t
> care. At least I’m not so blind as you. You live in the reality
> you’ve created for yourself and you can buy into it all you
> want.

OK. I'm easy to get along with. I'll agree that WW III was started
by both sides. Biden's contribution was destroying America's energy
independence and by the disastrous exit from Afghanistan. Putin's
contribution was annexing Crimea and invading Ukraine.

It's the same as WW II in Europe. It was started by both sides.
English contribution was appeasing Hitler. Hitler's contribution was
invading and annexing Czechoslovakia.

It's the same for hurricanes and earthquakes. They're everyone's
fault and nobody's fault.

But if you're going to say that WW III has already begun and started
by both sides, then Corbett's podcast is total nonsense.

It’s not nonsense. There’s a bigger agenda at foot. They don’t care about the masses. Putin doesn’t care about the average Russian and Biden doesn’t care about the average American, much less Ukrainian. Yes, as you say there is a coming clash between East and West. I think they west is using Putin to try and play China. In the end, China will turn on Russia, the WEF, the UN and everybody else because the Chinese only care about the Chinese. I’m the meantime the western powers are using the Russian/Ukraine issue as their owne means to an end they hope to achieve.

John wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:14 pm

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:57 pm

What has Hunter Biden to do with the Ukraine war?

BS. You brought up Trump. What does Trump have to do with the Ukraine war? If you're going to post nonsense about Trump, then be prepared to face facts about Hunter's laptop, and Democrats' racism and corruption, including rigging the last election.

Yes, there are corrupt elites associated with both sides. No, the existence of a corrupt elite associated with any side does not imply the fault of every member of that side. While Trump is an ally of Putin and favors autocratic government while bypassing rule of law, I know of no way he can be associated with the Ukraine invasion.

Fighting racism is not racism. There is zero evidence of rigging the last election. Zero. Follow the court cases. Your ability to go along with false realities is tremendous. You became a pariah not because you were correct all the time, but because you had a red mindset in one of the most blue areas. This involved supporting of prejudice, oppression, and violence and other evils. The view of those around you was that you were evil. That is what made you a pariah. That put you on the conservative side of the current crisis, and crises are the way cultures adapt to the changes in technology and culture. The progressive side creates a culture that adapts to the change. The conservative side clings to the past. In this case, wars of aggression, prejudice, criminality and hate represent the past.

As a side note, this bickering among the various red perspectives has nothing to do with my rather blue one. I agree the red side has a surplus of crazy partisans (and the blue no lack) but Is there any way you could take the discussion of which is more crazy elsewhere?

On another forum, the question was asked of Zelenskyy, can a non American become the Grey Champion?

Zelenskyy is 44. He is too young to be a GD GC.

Tom Mazanec wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:21 am

On another forum, the question was asked of Zelenskyy, can a non American become the Grey Champion?

Zelenskyy is 44. He is too young to be a GD GC.

But almost by accident he wound up in a position to exemplify the new values. I too am somewhat disappointed in Biden. It is hard to maximize proxy war and sanctions without triggering a wider war. He is inevitably an apparent waffler. It's harder to be disappointed in Zelenskyy. He is playing his role to the hilt. We will see if anyone is more prominent in fighting prejudice, oppression and violence.

Granted, the GC is usually a unifier and compromiser. That doesn't exactly match Zelenskyy. Unify yes, compromise no. This concerns me more than age. I just see the history book writers as more attracted to him than anyone else of this time thus far. Have you any other nominations? Who best exemplifies and causes the shift in values? That would be hard as the conservative side generally wants to stick with the existing values.

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:11 am

Tom Mazanec wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:21 am

On another forum, the question was asked of Zelenskyy, can a non American become the Grey Champion?

Zelenskyy is 44. He is too young to be a GD GC.

But almost by accident he wound up in a position to exemplify the new values. I too am somewhat disappointed in Biden. It is hard to maximize proxy war and sanctions without triggering a wider war. He is inevitably an apparent waffler. It's harder to be disappointed in Zelenskyy. He is playing his role to the hilt. We will see if anyone is more prominent in fighting prejudice, oppression and violence.

Granted, the GC is usually a unifier and compromiser. That doesn't exactly match Zelenskyy. Unify yes, compromise no. This concerns me more than age. I just see the history book writers as more attracted to him than anyone else of this time thus far. Have you any other nominations? Who best exemplifies and causes the shift in values? That would be hard as the conservative side generally wants to stick with the existing values.

“He is playing his role to the hilt.”

As are all the supposed “leaders”.

** 20-Mar-2022 World View: Democrats: Racism and Rigging

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:58 am

> Fighting racism is not racism. There is zero evidence of rigging
> the last election.

In the last century, Democrats "fought racism" with Jim Crow laws
and by slaughtering and massacring as many blacks as possible
through the KKK.

In this century, Trump really DID fight racism, by providing
blacks with enterprise zones and low unemployment.

In this century, Democrats are "fighting racism" by destroying blacks'
jobs, destroying black families, slaughtering as many blacks as
possible on the streets of Democrat-run cities, and using CRT to
create as much hatred as possible between whites and blacks.

In both the last and present century, Democrats "fight racism" by
slaughtering and impoverishing as many blacks as possible.

There's plenty of evidence that the last election was rigged. In
the current discussion, one way the election was rigged by Stalinist
censoring and repression of Hunter Biden's laptop.

• NY Post cover, March 19, 2022. All of these pigs lied.

Putin and the Democrats use the same Stalinist techniques of perjury,
censorship, extrajudicial arrests, and repression to rig elections.

When the Republicans hold hearings after the November elections, some
of these Democrats may go to jail. Democrats are pigs and racists.

** 20-Mar-2022 World View: Corbett Report and warmongers

thomasglee wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:38 pm

> It’s not nonsense. There’s a bigger agenda at foot. They don’t
> care about the masses. Putin doesn’t care about the average
> Russian and Biden doesn’t care about the average American, much
> less Ukrainian. Yes, as you say there is a coming clash between
> East and West. I think they west is using Putin to try and play
> China. In the end, China will turn on Russia, the WEF, the UN and
> everybody else because the Chinese only care about the Chinese.
> I’m the meantime the western powers are using the Russian/Ukraine
> issue as their owne means to an end they hope to achieve.

Yes, I agree, the "bigger agenda" is the fantasy UN sustainable
development plan, which would give Biden, Trudeau and Xi total
Stalinist control over entire populations. But even these people, as
deluded as they are, realize that their fantasies won't come true if
there's WW III. Which means that Biden, Trudeau and Xi cannot be
labeled "warmongers," since promoting war defeats their "bigger
agenda."

Biden and Trudeau will sign the agreement because of their delusional
fantasies. Xi will sign the agreement because he has no intention of
abiding by its terms, but he'll insist that America and West do so in
order to weaken them in the face of an imminent Chinese Communist
attack.

So you have a choice to make. If, as you say, you believe that WW III
has started and can't be stopped, then it makes no difference what
Biden, Trudeau and Xi do, and so the Corbett Report is complete
nonsense.

On the other hand, if you believe that WW III can be stopped by
withholding defensive weapons from Ukraine, then at least the Corbett
Report has a kind of consistency, but it's still a conspiracy theory
and complete nonsense.

John wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:51 am

In the last century, Democrats "fought racism" with Jim Crow laws and by slaughtering and massacring as many blacks as possible through the KKK.

Again, you are failing to notice that the parties switched positions on race. In Lincoln's time and well into the Gilded Age, yes, the Republicans were with the abolitionists during the Civil War and Reconstruction and later the industrial elites. The Democrats were with the slavers and later the KKK. In LBJ's time the Democrats went for the black city vote, and Nixon responded with the Southern Strategy. If you don't believe me just look at the voting returns. I have repeated the facts and evidence repeatedly, and you have gone with your partisan prejudices repeatedly.

The basic mode of thinking is garbage in garbage out. So long as you refuse to study American history, your theory is bogus and worthless. You really ought to study history objectively. Otherwise, you will remain a pariah, not a Cassandra clone at all.

thomasglee wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:15 am

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:11 am

Tom Mazanec wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:21 am

Zelenskyy is 44. He is too young to be a GD GC.

But almost by accident he wound up in a position to exemplify the new values. I too am somewhat disappointed in Biden. It is hard to maximize proxy war and sanctions without triggering a wider war. He is inevitably an apparent waffler. It's harder to be disappointed in Zelenskyy. He is playing his role to the hilt. We will see if anyone is more prominent in fighting prejudice, oppression and violence.

Granted, the GC is usually a unifier and compromiser. That doesn't exactly match Zelenskyy. Unify yes, compromise no. This concerns me more than age. I just see the history book writers as more attracted to him than anyone else of this time thus far. Have you any other nominations? Who best exemplifies and causes the shift in values? That would be hard as the conservative side generally wants to stick with the existing values.

“He is playing his role to the hilt.”

As are all the supposed “leaders”.

The difference is Biden is balancing between two extremes. He could do too much (and thus starting WW III) or too little (and thus without strong sanctions and strong support to Ukraine, he could encourage autocratic violence as means to gain power and influence). Both extremes are bad. Putin and Zelenskyy are advocating the opposite extremes. In either case, a little more violence will justify the values that they champion. Of the two, Zelenskyy supporting violence not being cost effective or the way to go is favored by me.

Traditionally, when the dust settles, it is easy for the historians to pick a compromiser as seeing all sides, as best exemplifying crisis periods. Thus the historians have not chosen extremists such as John Brown or a leading abolitionist as representing the time. Strong for one side, sure. Representing the eventual compromise? Biden looks wishy washy, weak, as the crisis is underway. So did Lincoln. Until Atlanta fell, Lincoln anticipated losing the presidency. He was not the obvious representative of the new values or of the times. Similarly, it is hard to be impressed right now when the crisis is underway with Biden. Lincoln managed to hold the new values and bring a large coalition together. Can Biden? Not obvious right now.

Talk to me when we are well into the high. We'll see how the history books get written.