** 27-Feb-2021 World View: Chinese / Confucian culture
John wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:09 pm
> Yes, China will inflict enormous damage on America and the world,
> but China itself will be destroyed, and the only question is what
> ethnic group will march in and take control.
I vote for the
> Central Asian Turkics, including the Uighurs and Kazakhs, whom the
> Chinese are currently enslaving and unsuccessfuly trying to
> exterminate. They will get their revenge.
DaKardii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:51 pm
> My vote goes to the China being divided between Japan, the
> Tibetans, the Uighurs, and rebel cliques in the southeastern part
> of the country.
John wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:56 pm
> That's a great thought! Divide China up into four parts, just as
> Nazi Germany was split into four parts after WW II.
Bob Butler wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:55 pm
> I would say do not choose the most xenophobic people to punish
> China, but choose the most democratic people to teach China.
> Think of the difference between the treaties that ended the two
> world wars. After the first, the tried to punish the Germans, and
> ended up fighting the war again. After the second, they had the
> Marshall plan. Try to rehabilitate Germany and have them stand
> against a common enemy. Try to transform Japan rather than punish
> it.
We're only speculating here, but if this scenario actually occurs,
I don't think that it will be up to us to "choose." Japan has
become a Westernized nation, so I don't know what they'll do. But
the Uighurs and Tibetans are going to be thirsting for revenge,
and they're not going to sit around waiting for permission to
go in and smash the Chinese government.
In 763 AD, the Tibetans captured and burned down China's western
capital Chang'an (Xian), while the Uighurs advanced from the north.
The union of the Tibetans and Uighurs would have conquered the
Chinese, except that in 765 the Uighurs switched sides and allied with
the Chinese. However, if there's a similar event in 2021 or 2020, I
doubt that the Uighurs will feel so charitable this time.
Bob Butler wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:55 pm
> I am not sure if the problems with the Great Leap Forward was
> because Mao was Chinese, or because he was Communist. At any
> rate, I agree China’s current regime has a problem or a bunch of
> them. While seeing them punished for walking their current path
> might be satisfying, and seeing those the most harmed retaliate
> might be fun, I am not sure that is the right way to go.
The point is not that Mao was a Chinese or a Communist. Mao was
insane, and the entire Great Leap Forward was insane. I'm not
exaggerating when I call it one of the stupidest policies of any
country in the history of the world. It killed tens of millions of
innocent Chinese, and destroyed the economy for decades. The point is
that the Chinese people cannot govern a worldwide empire because they
can't even government themselves, as shown by the fact that nobody
stopped his insane and unbelievably destructive policies.
I believe that this is because of the Chinese culture or, more
specifically, the Confucian culture. The leader is said to have a
Mandate from Heaven that requires obedience from his subjects. If the
Leader is insane, then his subjects must obey anyway. Disobedience is
tolerable only in the rarest, most extreme, and most exceptional
circumstances. No nation can successfully govern itself if it holds
strictly to those Confucian principles, since every leader makes
mistakes.
This would not be a problem in a Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian,
or Sunni Muslim culture, since leaders can make mistakes and be
corrected by their underlings, or in elections. (However, in 1979
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini revised Iran's consitution to make
himself, the Shia Muslim Supreme Leader, a "Guardian Jurist," with
infallible dictatorial powers, same as the Confucian leader, which is
why Iran is unable to govern itself.)