Cool Breeze wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:46 pm
1. You can't cure a virus. This is not a lethal virus, either (definition: lethal viruses kill healthy people).
2. We (the planners) caused the economic fallout of Covid via central planning and propaganda.
3. You can't define systematic racism, because it is a fictional concept (which is the point of it). I'm ok with hearing you try, though.
4. Warming isn't a problem. Cooling might be, and we'd still be able to combat that as we always have, and it's clearly much worse.
5. I'm ok with infrastructure spending. Trump was too. The democrats had zero interest in doing many things they shared with him vision wise.
Since points 1-4 above put you in a very leftist/progressive brainwash camp, I am hardly able to think we'll be able to continue a true dialogue. First, you'll have to address my questions.
I see a number of statements of questionable truth, not questions. In response…
1: Was Trump cured? If not, what do you define cure as? The virus does kill healthy people. If you follow the coastal media they report on the children and young adults without preexisting conditions that have been killed, though it is of course worse for elderly people with such conditions. The key would be changing the pattern from an exponential growth in the number of cases to an exponential decay, which we currently plan on doing through vaccination. That would in time relieve the stress on the health care system. It would not totally protect those who refuse the vaccine and protections, but what can you do”
2. The planners seemed to think they could keep the economy healthy without bringing the number of cases well down first. As is, they did neither. It may only be a terrible and lethal mistake, but the lying was done so willfully that it is hard to forgive. It was done through minimizing the importance of the precautions which you could label as propaganda. It was sort of centrally planned, but the effort to fight the virus ended up in the hand of the states and of regional alliances of states. That will soon change.
3. Systematic racism includes bad cops murdering people and the best jobs being reserved for white people. There is more to it than that, but those are biggies. It is possible to define it.
4. I listed already a bunch of factors effecting climate. The big one is the increase in warmth due to human production of greenhouse gasses. Are you a professional in the field? Silly question I guess. You seem to be a political internet warrior far more invested in the politics of denying problems than the science of understanding them. Anyone can declare a baseless opinion on the net, but they can’t make it true.
It was a long time since I last checked the solar cycles. Once upon a time I bumped into a guy who thought a hot sun was the dominant factor, and we were heading into a new minimum. That turns out to be wrong. Cycle 24 was a little cool, but the temperatures kept going up. Cycle 25 is predicted to be pretty much like 24. I am not a pro, but I do keep up with the research.
5: We agree that something ought to be done, but disagree on who was responsible for the obstruction.
Points one through four put you distinctly in the ignore the problem and the science red camp. I don’t see brainwashing as being involved. Deliberate brainwashing by the government seems limited to military boot camps, where introducing recruits as quickly as possible to the military subculture is accepted. The worthy elements of red thought include small government, reduced taxes, and the habit of a low density population to be independent rather the cooperative and specialized. The racism and elitism is not so worthy.
So long as you ignore the facts and the science, I agree that further dialogue would be futile. But then again, attempting to change worldviews is essentially futile. Japan suffered roughly 3,000,000 deaths in World War II before they were willing to change their culture. They had a population of around 73 million, close enough to the count of people who voted for Trump recently. COVID has not reached that sort of death count yet. It is not likely to with the vaccines imminent. The desire to cling to existing culture is very strong. We will just have to see if the culture of ignoring precautions can be touched by the death count due to the holiday season on top of an already surge with the health care system already on national overload. I keep waiting for people to learn, but they don’t seem to.