Civic nationalism doesn't work--ask the Ottoman Turks. or the Romans. Or the English.Higgenbotham wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:40 pmNaturally, I don't agree with all of it, but Navigator's commentary is serious commentary. I put it up as a contrast so that those who may not have seen it or may have forgotten it could see it or be reminded.Bob Butler wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:22 pmIt is not America that collapses at the end of a crisis, it is the conservative faction. After each crisis, there was a focus during the high on economics and infrastructure, a boom. America thrives. But there were those who profited from flaws that ran into a civic generation. The civic generation's idea of what they would be like in the future did not include those flaws. Colonial imperialism, slavery and isolationism just went away. It was the conservative faction that collapsed. Lies, greed, racism, fixation on power, and forcing one’s culture on others are apt to follow.Higgenbotham wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:36 pmThe liberal welfare state is collapsing. In the big picture Trump was just another liberal. He spent copious amounts of money and ran up copious amounts of debt, just less than the far left liberals. A conservative position would have been to issue shoot to kill orders for illegals crossing the border, not fund a wall. Bullets are cheap. The individuals that emerge out of the coming anarchy, as Navigator suggests, will do that type of thing.
This does not mean there won't be good things worth preserving in the next cycle, or that people who profit from the flaws won't try to keep them in the culture. But that's for the next civic generation. There are enough unsolved problems left in the culture that the S&H four score and seven year cycle is apt to continue. The next bunch of conservatives have generally not fought for what their predecessors fought for, but there has always been a no change faction in every crisis. They just happen to be losers.
Navigator and Higgenbotham understand what is happening. Butler does not. When I first started reading Butler's posts, I thought he was joking. I really did.