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[gfmucci1]

The complete report, with photos and links for the text below is here: http://muccings.blogspot.com/2020/01/ho ... about.html

How forthcoming has China been about the mystery virus?

One can be expected to not get the straight poop from a closed, Communist nation like China. And that is likely the situation concerning the Wuhan virus. As one source pointed out, more accurate information is likely provided by the rumor mill (people on the ground) than from “official China outlets.”

As of today [January 26], we are told by official China outlets of 56 deaths from the virus. HERE is one report from other sources of 10,000 dead in Wuhan alone.

CORONAVIRUS: Reports of 10,000 DEAD in Wuhan, China
Further, the Daily Mail reports that …

“China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a virus could 'escape' the facility that's become key in fighting the outbreak".”

Little snippets of info are beginning to paint a more troublesome story than has be reported so far.

As you recall over the last few days it has been reported that the source of the virus was from a bat delicacy at a market. And then we heard it may be from a snake.

Here is a post from an individual familiar with Asian cuisine, and particularly with the types of foods Chinese official outlets attributed to the outbreak:

Poster 1:

I don't buy into this bat/snake folderol. I've eaten fruit bat upon many occasions. Cooked in coconut milk, it's absolutely delicious and considered a delicacy throughout Micronesia. On the snake story, I had some wealthy acquaintances, long ago, that had quail hunting leases outside of Del Rio. The number of times that I ate rattlesnake … I lost count of. Point of fact, someone told me that chicken tastes quite a bit like rattlesnake.

Poster 2:

Knock yourself out, … though I suspect your post is an attempt at weird humor….I'll stick to beef, pork, fresh fish, etc. and a multitude of fresh vegetables and fruits prepared under sanitary conditions. The big problem is that China, most of Asia, India, Africa and various 3rd world countries are unsanitary dungholes.

Poster 1:

…When I lived, in the Marianas…fruit bat is an absolute delicacy. It's cooked in coconut milk. There's actually a hunting/trapping season. And, when hunting quail, outside of Del Rio, we often shot rattlesnakes. One of the reasons that hunting with bird dogs isn't recommended. And, wearing of chaps is highly encouraged. I've eaten a lot of rattlesnake.
I challenge you to find one city, any city, in the PRC that is one-tenth as filthy as Los Angeles, San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago … and the list goes on and on and on. Filth is piled over two stories in many areas of Baltimore, Detroit, etc.

Me:

So, do you believe the virus lab breakout story has more credibility [than the animal market story]?

Poster 1:

Yes

Here is a photo that has been in the national news over the past couple of days. Several dozen pieces of heavy earth moving equipment are preparing the ground for the 10-day, super fast track, construction of a large hospital in Wuhan to help treat the infected population, where “only 25 have died.”

Huge efforts are being made by construction workers in Wuhan to erect a new hospital in less than a week on the government's orders. Officials said the medical facility must be built to cope with overwhelming numbers of coronavirus patients

Question for those familiar with the planning and construction of large hospitals: When is the last time you’ve seen this level of construction activity for construction of a hospital with less than three weeks of advance planning? Survey work alone would take a week or more. Drawing up plans longer still. What is the likelihood that a “fully transparent” Chinese government has given us the full story behind this mystery virus outbreak? How many months do you think the Chinese government has been aware of this outbreak? And is it a breakout of a weaponized strain from their less than stellar Level 4 lab?

Update January 24:

Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding‏ @DrEricDing, a public health scientist on the faculty at Harvard.

“I’ll be honest - as an epidemiologist, I’m really deeply worried about this new coronavirus outbreak. 1) the virus has an upward infection trajectory curve much steeper than SARS. 2) it can be transmitted person to person before symptoms appear — I.e. it is silently contagious!”

“HOLY MOTHER OF GOD - the new coronavirus is a 3.8!!! [multiplier of new infections from one infected person] How bad is that reproductive R0 value? It is thermonuclear pandemic level bad - never seen an actual virality coefficient outside of Twitter in my entire career. I’m not exaggerating… #WuhanCoronovirus #CoronavirusOutbreak”

What does this mean for those who were on a plane or in a crowd with people who showed NO symptoms yet, but who came down with this virus days or a week later? You probably received it.

[John]

** 26-Jan-2020 World View: Spread of Wuhan coronavirus

> The complete report, with photos and links for the text below is
> here:
> http://muccings.blogspot.com/2020/01/ho ... about.html

> How forthcoming has China been about the mystery virus?

> One can be expected to not get the straight poop from a closed,
> Communist nation like China. And that is likely the situation
> concerning the Wuhan virus. As one source pointed out, more
> accurate information is likely provided by the rumor mill (people
> on the ground) than from “official China outlets.”

> As of today [January 26], we are told by official China outlets of
> 56 deaths from the virus. HERE is one report from other sources
> of 10,000 dead in Wuhan alone.

> CORONAVIRUS: Reports of 10,000 DEAD in Wuhan, China Further, the
> Daily Mail reports that …

> “China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US
> biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a virus could 'escape' the
> facility that's become key in fighting the outbreak".”

> Little snippets of info are beginning to paint a more troublesome
> story than has be reported so far.

> As you recall over the last few days it has been reported that the
> source of the virus was from a bat delicacy at a market. And then
> we heard it may be from a snake.

> Here is a post from an individual familiar with Asian cuisine, and
> particularly with the types of foods Chinese official outlets
> attributed to the outbreak:

> Poster 1:

> I don't buy into this bat/snake folderol. I've eaten fruit bat
> upon many occasions. Cooked in coconut milk, it's absolutely
> delicious and considered a delicacy throughout Micronesia. On the
> snake story, I had some wealthy acquaintances, long ago, that had
> quail hunting leases outside of Del Rio. The number of times that
> I ate rattlesnake … I lost count of. Point of fact, someone told
> me that chicken tastes quite a bit like rattlesnake.

> Poster 2:

> Knock yourself out, … though I suspect your post is an attempt at
> weird humor….I'll stick to beef, pork, fresh fish, etc. and a
> multitude of fresh vegetables and fruits prepared under sanitary
> conditions. The big problem is that China, most of Asia, India,
> Africa and various 3rd world countries are unsanitary dungholes.

> Poster 1:

> …When I lived, in the Marianas…fruit bat is an absolute
> delicacy. It's cooked in coconut milk. There's actually a
> hunting/trapping season. And, when hunting quail, outside of Del
> Rio, we often shot rattlesnakes. One of the reasons that hunting
> with bird dogs isn't recommended. And, wearing of chaps is highly
> encouraged. I've eaten a lot of rattlesnake. I challenge you to
> find one city, any city, in the PRC that is one-tenth as filthy as
> Los Angeles, San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago … and the list goes
> on and on and on. Filth is piled over two stories in many areas of
> Baltimore, Detroit, etc.

> Me:

> So, do you believe the virus lab breakout story has more
> credibility [than the animal market story]?

> Poster 1:

> Yes

> Here is a photo that has been in the national news over the past
> couple of days. Several dozen pieces of heavy earth moving
> equipment are preparing the ground for the 10-day, super fast
> track, construction of a large hospital in Wuhan to help treat the
> infected population, where “only 25 have died.”

> Huge efforts are being made by construction workers in Wuhan to
> erect a new hospital in less than a week on the government's
> orders. Officials said the medical facility must be built to cope
> with overwhelming numbers of coronavirus patients

> Question for those familiar with the planning and construction of
> large hospitals: When is the last time you’ve seen this level of
> construction activity for construction of a hospital with less
> than three weeks of advance planning? Survey work alone would take
> a week or more. Drawing up plans longer still. What is the
> likelihood that a “fully transparent” Chinese government has given
> us the full story behind this mystery virus outbreak? How many
> months do you think the Chinese government has been aware of this
> outbreak? And is it a breakout of a weaponized strain from their
> less than stellar Level 4 lab?

> Update January 24:

> Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding‏ @DrEricDing, a public health scientist on the
> faculty at Harvard.

> “I’ll be honest - as an epidemiologist, I’m really deeply worried
> about this new coronavirus outbreak. 1) the virus has an upward
> infection trajectory curve much steeper than SARS. 2) it can be
> transmitted person to person before symptoms appear — I.e. it is
> silently contagious!”

> “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD - the new coronavirus is a 3.8!!! [multiplier
> of new infections from one infected person] How bad is that
> reproductive R0 value? It is thermonuclear pandemic level bad -
> never seen an actual virality coefficient outside of Twitter in my
> entire career. I’m not exaggerating… #WuhanCoronovirus
> #CoronavirusOutbreak”

> What does this mean for those who were on a plane or in a crowd
> with people who showed NO symptoms yet, but who came down with
> this virus days or a week later? You probably received
> it.

I have a couple of comments on this.

• The idea that coronavirus could jump from animals to humans is
  not farfetched. The same happened with Ebola. As I understand it,
  hundreds of different forms of coronaviruses live in bats, and any one
  of those could mutate at any time to jump to humans.
• The idea that coronavirus was developed in a Chinese biological
  warfare lab and escaped is highly alarmist without some sort of
  confirmation. On the other hand, let's face it, the Japanese used
  biological warfare against the Chinese during WW II, and there's
  little doubt that the Chinese are planning something like that in
  their planned revenge war against Japan. However, the animal
  connection is still more likely for today's coronavirus, and the
  warfare lab hypothesis is extremely alarmist.
• The Wuhan airport is the biggest airport in China with flights to
  and from dozens of cities in China, as well cities in other countries
  in the region, as well as several countries in Europe, and Los Angeles
  and New York in the United States. Wuhan airport has been partially
  shut down, with no flights allowed to leave, and few flights
  allowed to enter.
• It's now emerging that it takes 14 days for symptoms can appear,
  and that someone can spread the virus before symptoms appear. This
  make the virus extremely dangerous.
• Putting the last two items together, if they're true and if what
  they imply is true, then there will be large outbreaks of Wuhan
  coronavirus in many cities around the world within a couple more
  weeks. Whether the mainstream media will consider that more important
  than impeachment remains to be seen.

> Hong Kong and Taiwan are not mandate of heaven issues since they
> are different systems. The Uighers probably aren't either. The
> coronavirus definitely is.

> We already know what stupid thing the CCP is going to do with the
> coronavirus: they are quarantining whole cities. This will
> intensify epidemics within those cities due to interference with
> supplies needed for food, water, and medicine. This will be at
> least as bad for the Chinese government as the plane shootdown was
> for the Iranian government.

> The other major mandate of heaven issue, even bigger than the
> coronavirus, is more limited supplies of chicken and pork and
> imports in general, due to the currency decline. If the Chinese
> are smart, they will get cracking on importing more from the US,
> for China's own good and not (just) for the trade deal.

Thanks for pointing this out. I was listing Xi Jinping's policy
failures that might mean that he's lost the Mandate from Heaven, and I
forgot about last year's swine fever that forced China to cull
hundreds of millions of pigs.

• Chinese New Year and Coronavirus
  (https://www.cagle.com/stephane-peray/20 ... oronavirus)

[Guest]

I mentioned to my Chinese wife that I'd seen videos of Medic vehicles picking up collapsed people, putting them into tubes and taking them away. She said she'd seen them. With censorship the way it is, I wondered how such videos could be available within China itself. She said there's simply too many videos being uploaded all the time. Stories of people arriving at hospitals with symptoms and nobody available to help them. How this went from virtually nothing to major disaster in about a week makes it seem there's some government cover-up

[FishbellykanakaDude]

Why my bored 1970's suburban-wasteland-of-a-self loved zombies and dystopia...

• "The idea that Dystopia Fiction somehow channels the anxieties of a people who have absolutely nothing to feel anxious about, who are richer in every way possible than any other time or place in our 200,000 year history, is just baby talk.
  
  No, what Dystopia Fiction channels is a desire buried deep within each of us to go back to the basics, to focus again on what matters: the noble cause of caring for and protecting our loved ones, the noble cause of improving ourselves and our families.
  
  As a species, we see the apocalypse as freeing us from all the addictive nonsense that pollutes our lives, wastes our time, and curdles our spirit."

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment ... anxieties/

[FishbellykanakaDude]

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[Tom Mazanec]

The idea that coronavirus was developed in a Chinese biological
warfare lab and escaped is highly alarmist without some sort of
confirmation. On the other hand, let's face it, the Japanese used
biological warfare against the Chinese during WW II, and there's
little doubt that the Chinese are planning something like that in
their planned revenge war against Japan. However, the animal
connection is still more likely for today's coronavirus, and the
warfare lab hypothesis is extremely alarmist.

I agree. However, it is still possible. At the rate we are going in a decade or two (if the Singularity does not intervene) we will have to worry about teenage biohackers creating pandemics in their basements.

[utahbob]

An interesting read on Iran:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middl ... ran-117296
IS Demographics destiny?

[John]

** 27-Jan-2020 World View: Wuhan coronavirus by the numbers

Various analysts have been providing some numbers.

Every person who has the disease will transmit to 2-3 other people,
which is about the same level as the flu. In order for the disease to
die out, that number would have to be less than 1.

Lethality: 3% of infected people die, according to official figures
from China -- about 10 times higher than the flu, but with SARS, 10%
of infected people died (about 800 deaths out of 8000 people
infected).

The Chinese say that 81 people have died out of 3,000 people infected.
A lot of people believe that the Chinese are lying, and that the
numbers are far higher.

Before this is over, it's possible that millions of people will be
infected, which will result in a huge number of deaths, far higher
than with SARS.

There is one huge question that hasn't been fully answered: To what
extent can a person spread the disease before having symptoms. The
standard tools for containing the spread of a disease all require
testing people for symptoms and isolating the ones with symptoms. If
there's no way to determine infections by testing for symptoms, then
the situation will be much worse.

---- Source:

-- Coronavirus death toll jumps above 80, five US cases confirmed:
Everything we know
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/coronavirus ... g-we-know/
(Cnet, 27-Jan-2020)

[Guest]

My sister lives in Taipei. She contacted me via Whats App an hour ago and told me protective masks are sold out in Taiwan. Her husband is a doctor, so they have a couple boxes at home. I live in South Korea. Everyone here has high grade protective face masks because of micro dust from mainland China. I expect pandemonium here when the Wuhan influenza panic hits.

[Guest]

** 27-Jan-2020 World View: Wuhan coronavirus by the numbers

Various analysts have been providing some numbers.

Every person who has the disease will transmit to 2-3 other people,
which is about the same level as the flu. In order for the disease to
die out, that number would have to be less than 1.

Lethality: 3% of infected people die, according to official figures
from China -- about 10 times higher than the flu, but with SARS, 10%
of infected people died (about 800 deaths out of 8000 people
infected).

The Chinese say that 81 people have died out of 3,000 people infected.
A lot of people believe that the Chinese are lying, and that the
numbers are far higher.

Before this is over, it's possible that millions of people will be
infected, which will result in a huge number of deaths, far higher
than with SARS.

There is one huge question that hasn't been fully answered: To what
extent can a person spread the disease before having symptoms. The
standard tools for containing the spread of a disease all require
testing people for symptoms and isolating the ones with symptoms. If
there's no way to determine infections by testing for symptoms, then
the situation will be much worse.

---- Source:

-- Coronavirus death toll jumps above 80, five US cases confirmed:
Everything we know
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/coronavirus ... g-we-know/
(Cnet, 27-Jan-2020)

I'm not sure if you know this, but mainland Chinese have very poor hygiene. The younger, educated, and affluent Chinese generally wash their hands with soap, but the average Chinese rarely uses hand soap. The sanitation in restaurants and markets is appalling. Most Japanese I know refuse to eat in a mainland Chinese restaurants and only consume canned or package Japanese food products which they buy at a premium when travelling on the mainland.

Even the average Chinese knows their government is a pack of liars.

This is going to be big.