21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure

Discussion of Web Log and Analysis topics from the Generational Dynamics web site.
John
Posts: 11478
Joined: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:10 pm
Location: Cambridge, MA USA
Contact:

21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure

Post by John »

21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure


Myanmar (Burma) and China agree to build China-Myanmar Economic Corridor (CMEC)

** 21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e180921




Contents:
Myanmar (Burma) and China agree to build China-Myanmar Economic Corridor (CMEC)
Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure


Keys:
Generational Dynamics, Burma, Myanmar, China,
China-Myanmar Economic Corridor, CMEC,
Belt and Road Initiative, BRI,
Yunnan, Kyaukphyu seaport, Bay of Bengal, Indian Ocean,
Shan state, Kachin State, Rakhine State, Bangladesh,
China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, CPEC, Balochistan,
Ning Jizhe, National Development and Reform Commission, NDRC,
Syria, Bashar al-Assad, DR Congo, Joseph Kabila

Silent Guest 1

Re: 21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure

Post by Silent Guest 1 »

Amazing that Myanmar took the bait. No cell phones or computers there?
Since I do not have access to today's post, will just throw this in. Japan has enjoined the "South China Sea" kerfluffle. Russians may be the bear; China is swiftly becoming the mouse that roared.
(Still trying to get daily blog back on my site. Thank you.)

CH86
Posts: 397
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:51 am

Re: 21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure

Post by CH86 »

Burma/Myanmar has fought several wars with China, including one major war in the 18th century and a border war in the late 1950s. The Burmese fight ethnic Chinese insurgents (occasionally funded by china) to this day. The reason the west has been unable to ally with them is a self-imposed reason of trying to determine Burma's internal business and system of government. In 2011 the Burmese were eager for US and other western aid and assistance. The stumbling block is that globalist governments in the west refuses to allow Burma to conduct its internal business and operations without western interference. Instead we are violating Burma/Myanmar's sovereignty; instead of allowing Myanmar to crush the Islamists operating within their nation: we are pushing sanctions against them. For that reason the Burmese have been forced to turn to the Chinese, that is not a preference of the Burmese, they know full well that Chinese policy has been historically to subvert their nation. But this instead is an alignment forced on Myanmar by the current misguided western policies.

John
Posts: 11478
Joined: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:10 pm
Location: Cambridge, MA USA
Contact:

Re: 21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure

Post by John »

CH86 wrote: > Burma/Myanmar has fought several wars with China, including one
> major war in the 18th century and a border war in the late
> 1950s. The Burmese fight ethnic Chinese insurgents (occasionally
> funded by china) to this day. The reason the west has been unable
> to ally with them is a self-imposed reason of trying to determine
> Burma's internal business and system of government. In 2011 the
> Burmese were eager for US and other western aid and
> assistance. The stumbling block is that globalist governments in
> the west refuses to allow Burma to conduct its internal business
> and operations without western interference. Instead we are
> violating Burma/Myanmar's sovereignty; instead of allowing Myanmar
> to crush the Islamists operating within their nation: we are
> pushing sanctions against them. For that reason the Burmese have
> been forced to turn to the Chinese, that is not a preference of
> the Burmese, they know full well that Chinese policy has been
> historically to subvert their nation. But this instead is an
> alignment forced on Myanmar by the current misguided western
> policies.
Burma's "internal business" is ethnic cleansing and genocide of
Rohingyas. Ethnic cleansing and genocide were/are also the "internal
business" of Bashar al-Assad, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, all the
people in the world that you love and admire.

It is interesting though that, in a variation of the concept of "honor
among thieves," we have "honor among genocidal monsters and war
criminals," who protect each other in the UN Security Council. What a
world.

CH86
Posts: 397
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:51 am

Re: 21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure

Post by CH86 »

John wrote: Burma's "internal business" is ethnic cleansing and genocide of
Rohingyas. Ethnic cleansing and genocide were/are also the "internal
business" of Bashar al-Assad, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, all the
people in the world that you love and admire.

It is interesting though that, in a variation of the concept of "honor
among thieves," we have "honor among genocidal monsters and war
criminals," who protect each other in the UN Security Council. What a
world.
You Must REALLY hate the concept of National Sovereignty. Russia, Iran, Syria and Burma (and to some extent Turkey) are merely exercising their sovereign rights as nations and conducting their internal stabilization and internal business. I don't know why globalists here in the west hate that so much. Don't they realize that international law as historically interpreted is decidedly against the globalist concept.

Guest

Re: 21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure

Post by Guest »

CH86 wrote:
John wrote: Burma's "internal business" is ethnic cleansing and genocide of
Rohingyas. Ethnic cleansing and genocide were/are also the "internal
business" of Bashar al-Assad, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, all the
people in the world that you love and admire.

It is interesting though that, in a variation of the concept of "honor
among thieves," we have "honor among genocidal monsters and war
criminals," who protect each other in the UN Security Council. What a
world.
You Must REALLY hate the concept of National Sovereignty. Russia, Iran, Syria and Burma (and to some extent Turkey) are merely exercising their sovereign rights as nations and conducting their internal stabilization and internal business. I don't know why globalists here in the west hate that so much. Don't they realize that international law as historically interpreted is decidedly against the globalist concept.
When their policies lead to millions of refugees flooding into Europe and destabilizing it, it becomes our problem.

John
Posts: 11478
Joined: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:10 pm
Location: Cambridge, MA USA
Contact:

Re: 21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure

Post by John »

Guest wrote: > When their policies lead to millions of refugees flooding into
> Europe and destabilizing it, it becomes our problem.
That's a very good point. Burma's ethnic cleansing has driven
hundreds of thousands of Rohingyas into Bangladesh, destabilizing the
country and the region. That's not "internal business." That's
weaponizing refugees, and it's arguably a declaration of war.

CH86
Posts: 397
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:51 am

Re: 21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure

Post by CH86 »

John wrote:
Guest wrote: > When their policies lead to millions of refugees flooding into
> Europe and destabilizing it, it becomes our problem.
That's a very good point. Burma's ethnic cleansing has driven
hundreds of thousands of Rohingyas into Bangladesh, destabilizing the
country and the region. That's not "internal business." That's
weaponizing refugees, and it's arguably a declaration of war.
So Boomers Favor Intervention. Xers and Millies Favor Just letting the cleansing play out. If we need Burma as an ally later, if necessary Court their regime as a bulwark against China or even India. Otherwise Just let things be, why western boomers don't understand this is incomprehensible.

Regarding Leadership while it is obviously best to have a well rounded leader and leadership, this is not always the case. The Problem is that when boomers have a "bad apple" the bad apple is likely to be such because He/She was naive, stupid, or too trusting, and thus unable to comprehend that the "other guy" may be a complete psychopath, or a homicidal/genocidal maniac. On the other Hand when Xers or Millies have a "bad apple" he/she is such because they were Ruthless, Sociopathic or evil, however unlike the "flawed" boomer, the "flawed" Xer/millie is unlikely to have his/her head up in the clouds, at least the Xer would be making realist based choices. The gripe Xers and millies have with the boomers is that the boomers refuse to let Xers and Millies make their own choices on whether to embrace good or to embrace evil, instead the boomer insists on choosing for the young and then implementing the boomer's choice regarding practical effects.

Regarding foreign genocides, those of who pay attention to such tragic events, those Xers and Millies who bother to take note; tend to think of one question, are these people (being slaughtered) related to us, friends or potential friends, or are they Not (strangers), if its strangers killing strangers, the youngs mindset is "we cannot help you, we are not going to help you, we don't know you, we do not and will not care". Among those boomers who bother to take note when foreign genocides occur, their generations penchant for selfishness takes hold and manifests itself as a desire to take resources intended for American (and other western) use, and brimming with extreme selfishness, the boomers then gives those resources to foreign strangers that ought to be going to improvements within western countries.

On a separate note I know that I have rambled on somewhat in the above paragraph so i'll simplify the point I was making by using a hypothetical example based on WW2: A bunch of defenseless Jews and other innocents have been rounded up by a Nazi SS officer, it is clear that there is nothing the group of Jews can do to avoid the fate the SS officer has in store for them. The Nazi begins shooting innocent person after innocent person in the head and killing them like in that scene from Schindler's list (the one where the commandant was shooting Jew after Jew). While this is going on suddenly an American Soldier appears filled with righteous anger, the American shoots and Kills the Nazi and then leads the surviving Jews and innocents to Safety. What Russia, China, Iran, Syria and Burma, etc. are trying to Say is that In the above example it was the Nazi's rights that were violated because the Nazi was just minding his own business when the American soldier who had no relation whatsoever to the group of people being killed suddenly appeared and killed the Nazi, essentially the point that being attempted to by Russia, Syria and Burma especially, is that the American had no business being there in the above example. The problem is that the US under boomer leadership is not even attempting to discuss the issue regarding international Law being presented by Russia, China and others, however our government refuses to acknowledge that there is an argument regarding this issue.

FishbellykanakaDude
Posts: 1313
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:07 pm

Re: 21-Sep-18 World View -- Myanmar signs 'debt trap' agreement with China in response to Rohingya genocide censure

Post by FishbellykanakaDude »

CH86 wrote:... A bunch of defenseless Jews and other innocents have been rounded up by a Nazi SS officer, it is clear that there is nothing the group of Jews can do to avoid the fate the SS officer has in store for them. The Nazi begins shooting innocent person after innocent person in the head and killing them like in that scene from Schindler's list (the one where the commandant was shooting Jew after Jew). While this is going on suddenly an American Soldier appears filled with righteous anger, the American shoots and Kills the Nazi and then leads the surviving Jews and innocents to Safety.

What Russia, China, Iran, Syria and Burma, etc. are trying to Say is that In the above example it was the Nazi's rights that were violated because the Nazi was just minding his own business when the American soldier who had no relation whatsoever to the group of people being killed suddenly appeared and killed the Nazi, essentially the point that being attempted to by Russia, Syria and Burma especially, is that the American had no business being there in the above example. The problem is that the US under boomer leadership is not even attempting to discuss the issue regarding international Law being presented by Russia, China and others, however our government refuses to acknowledge that there is an argument regarding this issue.
Simple fact: What is yours is what you can hold. (Corollary: Can't hold, not yours.)

I realize that means "Might makes Right". But I "counter-balance" that with the principle that, "Evil eventually Kills Itself".

If the Nazi could hold his "right to kill Jews without consequence" then the American Soldier wouldn't BE there at all. But he can't, so bang, dead nazi.

And that is the inevitable fate of "International Law".

"Multiple bilateral agreements" always trumps "International Law". Not because I say so, but because that is simply the way it is.

The would-be "one party stater" (tyrant) LOVES the idea of international law, as it would be (in theory) the perfect wall behind which to hide.

..but I do agree with you that "national identity" is the "largest" (for lack of a better word) unit of governmental authority.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 32 guests