1-Jan-19 World View -- Generational Dynamics 2019 Forecast: The Camel versus the Can / Future of Generational Dynamics

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FishbellykanakaDude
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Re: 1-Jan-19 World View -- Generational Dynamics 2019 Forecast: The Camel versus the Can / Future of Generational Dynami

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John wrote:
FishbellykanakaDude wrote: > Suicide is the relief of suffering. Relief of suffering is a good
> thing, but we only get to do that once, and when it's done
> unnecessarily it forecloses future positive "suffering for
> betterment", which is what all suffering is.

> Life is the pursuit of "productive suffering". Suicide is the
> final end of that pursuit. Finding a hidey-hole is a temporary end
> to that pursuit. A temporary halt of positive work is preferable
> to a permanent halt.
The same argument could be made for any irreversible decision.

So if your really old car is at death's door, they you can get rid of
it, which would be an irreversible decision, but doing so would
degrade the value of clunkers.

Or you could spend many thousands of dollars to repair and
rehabilitate the really old car, so that it could clunk along for
another year or two. It hardly seems worth wasting the money on an
old clunker like that, especially since it would only keep things
going for just a little longer. If it were a younger car, then
spending the money to repair it might mean that the car could continue
running for many years. But if it's a really old clunky car that
could only survive a little longer anyway, rattling and banging along
and getting 5 miles per gallon, then spending a lot of money would
just be a waste.

But all that assumes that all that money is available. If you've run
out of money and you don't have those thousands of dollars to repair
and rehabilitate the old clunker so that it can clunk and rattle
around a just little while longer, then you'd have no choice. The
decision would have been made for you by the fact that you've run out
of money. You'd have to make the irreversible decision to get rid of
the clunker.
Cars are tools.

People are makers and users of tools.

I'm not asking you to consider "fixing" yourself. :) People find places to be "interesting" while they "deteriorate", while tools simply rust, or otherwise oxidize.

Of course, we "persons" (people) also "oxidize", but that just implies that we've got a bit of "tool" built into us as well. And our "tool-ness" implies that there are some "tool users" that are using us. One of those tool-users is ourself, quite obviously. But might there be more tool-users out there for whom we are a tool?

I'm simply stating that you might consider continuing to be the interesting person that you've always been, regardless of your circumstances, as an exemplar of "whatever interesting-ness it is that you contribute to the world" because the world (humanity) can use all of that that it can get. :)

Some of my Catholic-ness seems to want to blurt out something,... Yeah, just as we persons aren't allowed to condemn people to hell (as they have to do that themselves), we're not allowed to say whether suicide is appropriate or not for another person, as we're not in the position to know what's going on inside of them.

But, we CAN point out that there is value created in suffering, and that permanent solutions foreclose on things that MAY be better served by temporary solutions (aka "kicking the can down the road" so as to see what might happen after a time), but decisions are the property of those who make them.

I absolutely love the conundrum of free will. We can do as we will based on how we believe the world works, and we can choose to include justifications/beliefs for transforming the world's "negatives" (such as suffering and discomfort and evil) into useful "things", or not.

While I have the "spare time" (somewhat comfortable periods in life) I choose to "pre-load" reasons/reasoning to continue living even in severe suffering, so that my belief that the world is a more interesting place (and more worthy for people to live and find hope in) if I postpone leaving it (dying) for as long as possible.

Just me being VERY egotistical, of course, but that's the basis of the "old ways" where honor, and renown, and acclaim by one's "people" (family/clan/nation/etc) were the things valued, and for which lives were lived out as heroically as possible.

And to me, everyone is a hero, because I choose to believe that everyone tries as hard as they are able to be their kind of hero.

..I just don't like seeing heroes go before I'm done admiring them. Selfish of me, yeah?

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John wrote:
Wikipedia: "Felix Arvid Ulf Kjellberg, known online as PewDiePie, is a
Swedish YouTuber, comedian and video game commentator, best known for
his YouTube video content, which has mainly consisted of Let's Play
commentaries, vlogs, and comedic formatted shows."

I know you can make millions from Youtube videos, but you have to have
viral subject matter, as PewDiePie does. As you say, one needs
"Content that people want to watch." But what I do is "anti-viral" --
people who tell their friends about it get shunned themselves. This
is the Cassandra curse.

Look, I'm skeptical, and the project you're describing is well outside
of my comfort zone and skill set, but I'm certainly open-minded about
it, and if you can find someone who wants to take responsibility for
the whole project, pull everything together and manage it, then I'm
in.

But there are many things that I don't know how to do even if I had
the skill set. Where would I get the graphics and animations?
There's plenty of stuff available on news sites like the BBC and
al-Jazeera, but that stuff is all copyrighted.

And what would be the topics of the videos? Today's article is on
Myanmar, yesterday's was on the South China Sea, the day before was on
Kenya. Would those be the topics of three videos? How would those
videos get done, and who would even want to watch them?

I write about geopolitics and international events, and we live in a
world where most people under 60 couldn't find China on a map. The
only thing that people are interested in are politics -- the
impeachment, the shutdown, and the border wall. Or in the UK, Brexit,
brexit, brexit.

So I just don't see how this would work, although if someone else can,
then I'm in.

[..... Long intermission .....]

As I was typing the above, something did occur to me that might sell
and makes sense to me.

It would be like a tv talking heads panel format. I'd report the news
item, including a generational analysis. Then there would be two
people giving political commentary. Both of them would be young and
pretty/sexy. One would be left-wing, and the other would be
right-wing. The opinions could be gleaned from the comments to my
Breitbart article or elsewhere. I would stay above the fray, and
moderate the discussion. I think that Bret Baer on Fox evening news
would be a good example, except that I would say something if a
political opinion violated the Generational Dynamics analysis.

Once again, getting all this set up and producing these videos would
be waaaaaaaaay outside my skill set. But if you know someone who can
take responsibility for the whole thing and manage it, then it might
work.
I watch a lot of content on YouTube. There are lots of successful channels that require intellect. Rarely do any of their videos go viral. Plenty of them make enough income to at least subsist, and you would need enough to supplement Social Security, right? That seems eminently doable.

One of my friends does think there is potential to make GD content work on YouTube, but he needs to think about it and brainstorm with his creative partner. I'll keep you posted.

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John,

Have you reached out to anybody who also focuses on geopolitical forecasting for the possibility of partnership/employment?

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DaKardii wrote: > Have you reached out to anybody who also focuses on geopolitical
> forecasting for the possibility of partnership/employment?
Yes, but you have to understand the Cassandra curse. Any geopolitical
forecaster today has an ideology -- left-wing or right-wing -- and
they could never embrace the Generational Dynamics methodology because
it produces results that conflict with their ideologies. To put it
another way, no geopolitical forecaster wants to be associated with a
prediction of war with China.

It's the same way with the housing bubble of the mid-2000s. No
economist or pundit wanted to admit it was going on. They only
admitted it in 2009 as something that happened in the past. It's the
same way with the stock market of today. That's the Cassandra curse.

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DaKardii wrote: > Have you reached out to anybody who also focuses on geopolitical
> forecasting for the possibility of partnership/employment?
John wrote: > I write about geopolitics and international events, and we live in
> a world where most people under 60 couldn't find China on a map.
> The only thing that people are interested in are politics -- the
> impeachment, the shutdown, and the border wall.
Daily Mail wrote: > They're totally lost! Americans are asked to identify any other
> country on a map of the world - and several can't even pinpoint a
> SINGLE nation

> The team at Jimmy Kimmel Live! stopped people on a sidewalk in
> Hollywood

> People were asked to use a pointer to identify one country on the
> map

> Several could not come up with one

> Others named continents instead of countries, or mixed up Alaska
> with Iceland

> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/arti ... -quiz.html


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JenXChick wrote: > I watch a lot of content on YouTube. There are lots of successful
> channels that require intellect. Rarely do any of their videos go
> viral. Plenty of them make enough income to at least subsist, and
> you would need enough to supplement Social Security, right? That
> seems eminently doable.

> One of my friends does think there is potential to make GD content
> work on YouTube, but he needs to think about it and brainstorm
> with his creative partner. I'll keep you posted.
There's no point in doing a lot of work if it doesn't bring in a
commensurate amount of money. I already do the World View articles as
a free public service, and I'm not willing to take on another public
service project.

If there's only a small amount of income, I probably could commit to
one video a week, assuming that your friends are even still interested
at that level, given all they'd have to do.

But if there's a substantial stream of income, I could even commit to
one a day -- perhaps pair each video with my daily World View article.
But if this huge amount of effort is only going to bring in few bucks,
then it's not worth it.

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FishbellykanakaDude wrote: > I'm simply stating that you might consider continuing to be the
> interesting person that you've always been, regardless of your
> circumstances, as an exemplar of "whatever interesting-ness it is
> that you contribute to the world" because the world (humanity) can
> use all of that that it can get. :)
You and Mazanec keep avoiding the point. I'm willing to be
"interesting" as long as possible, but if I run out of my money then
if I'm even still alive, then I definitely won't be interesting. I'll
be bitchy, miserable, angry, in pain, suicidal, and even more nasty
and argumentative than I am now. I'll be pathetic, and definitely not
interesting. This is a serious situation, not a joke about being
"interesting."

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John wrote:... As I was typing the above, something did occur to me that might sell
and makes sense to me.

It would be like a tv talking heads panel format. I'd report the news
item, including a generational analysis. Then there would be two
people giving political commentary. Both of them would be young and
pretty/sexy. One would be left-wing, and the other would be
right-wing. The opinions could be gleaned from the comments to my
Breitbart article or elsewhere. I would stay above the fray, and
moderate the discussion. I think that Bret Baer on Fox evening news
would be a good example, except that I would say something if a
political opinion violated the Generational Dynamics analysis. ...
Better idea...

"Point / Counterpoint - with Jane Curtain & Dan Akroyd" formatted show, with two OUTRAGEOUSLY attractive young millenial-ish spokesmodels, where their "debate" invariably descends into a profanity and/or food slinging melee, while John stands above the fray and comments calmly and cogently on the antics below and how they relate to the generational divide as expressed by the "Woke SJW" debater (the Jane Curtain part) and the "CH86" debater (the Dan Akroyd part).

..clothing will be stained,.. then torn,.. then gorgeous slick and shiny flesh will be caressed with silicone food service implements,.. then.... t h e n . . .

Cut to a close-up of John, once again (as in each episode), explaining that the compulsion to procreate and/or genocidally murder during periods of existential survival stress will demand to be satisfied, after which a sense of revulsion at the preceding acts will motivate the participants to endeavor to NEVER let that happen again.

This just STINKS of virality!

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John wrote:
FishbellykanakaDude wrote: > I'm simply stating that you might consider continuing to be the
> interesting person that you've always been, regardless of your
> circumstances, as an exemplar of "whatever interesting-ness it is
> that you contribute to the world" because the world (humanity) can
> use all of that that it can get. :)
You and Mazanec keep avoiding the point. I'm willing to be
"interesting" as long as possible, but if I run out of my money then
if I'm even still alive, then I definitely won't be interesting. I'll
be bitchy, miserable, angry, in pain, suicidal, and even more nasty
and argumentative than I am now. I'll be pathetic, and definitely not
interesting. This is a serious situation, not a joke about being
"interesting."
Hey, I actually LIKE bitchy miserable angry pain ridden suicidal nasty argumentative interesting people!

..well, as long as I can get sufficiently far enough away from them when I'm tired of their negativity, of course.

And isn't THAT what the internet is all about!? Pokin' the nasty bear, and then easily running away to safety?

That's what MY internet is all about, at any rate.

I believe yours is a serious situation,.. for you. It's NOT a serious situation for anyone else, and it shouldn't be. When my "situation" becomes "serious" such that I'll have much better things to do than posting to a blog on the internet, then you won't hear from me as I'll be,.. well doing better things, like it says on the tin.

But, you ARE an interesting person, and I happen to believe that you'll ALWAYS be an interesting person, 'though you MAY become an oppressively obnoxious person (as anyone MAY become) and have "better" things to do than displaying your interesting side any longer.

So, if not having sufficient funds can transform you into some sort of "monster", then have fun with that.

And I'm serious about the "fun" part of that last sentence. Every single "monster" of a person I've ever known, whose monstrousness was caused by "lack of funds" took relish, enjoyment, in inflicting themselves on their fellow human beings in a sort of revenge filled orgy of indiscriminate payback.

...but I don't think that's your problem. You're WAY more creative than that.

The point isn't that you need money. The point is that you SHOULD (a word I really don't like much) arrange your inner world so as to accept that your happiness is dependent on nothing more than your wanting it badly enough, regardless of the circumstances.

At some point in nearly every day my mind wanders off to the idea that I've just survived a nazi death camp and am hobbling out the front gate. My only possession being happiness.

..all else is gravy.

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That's very inspirational. You should be a preacher.

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