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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Postby John » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:09 am

** 28-Aug-2019 World View: America partitioned

mps92 wrote:> That was about the possibility of a race war. That will never
> happen. There are too many Trump supporters that are nonwhite
> (including me).

> I doubt a civil war would happen, but I think this country could
> still be headed towards partition. Perhaps this country splits
> into two states. Democrats get to kill babies, have universal
> basic income, and institute the Green New Deal in their own
> country. Republicans get to take control of the education and
> media in their country.


I have no idea what this even means. What would be an example of the
kind of partition you're talking about? Gaza? Germany? Kashmir? The
Great Wall of China? Hadrian's Wall?

Partitions come about in order to keep two sides from a war (or
another war). Nothing like that even makes sense for America today.

mps92 wrote:> I wouldn't be opposed to partition at all. It's one of two options
> that the right has to win the culture war; the other is war with
> China (because wars turn people conservative). Everyone at
> university wants the Green New Deal, they want to impeach Trump,
> and they hate Israel. Even if we had to split up this great
> country, I think it'd be worth it to get away from these
> idiots.


I don't know if you plan to be in the army, but if you do, then you're
going to be fighting alongside these idiots.

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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Postby John » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:15 am

** 28-Aug-2019 World View: World War III Scenario

CH86 wrote:> OK then, you stated your conception regarding US
> stability. Regarding an international ww3. Would would happen IF
> the war begins someplace unexpected. Example if world War III
> begins but it begins in some place like kashmir, eastern
> europe/balkans or in central Asia? What would happen then?


The war is almost certain to start "in some place like kashmir,
eastern europe/balkans or in central Asia?" As I've said, a world war
begins with a small incident somewhere that expands into a regional
war and then a world war over a period of months or years.

America today does not want fight in another war, just as America
didn't want to fight in another war in the late 1930s, until forced to
do so by the Regeneracy, the bombing of Pearl Harbor and the Bataan
Death March.

World War II actually began in 1937, with the Macro Polo Bridge
incident, and it's forgotten today that Japan bombed and sank an
American ship four years before Pearl Harbor.

The sequence of steps that led from the beginning of WW II to American
involvement could serve as a kind of template for what might happen
today with China. Here are some paragraphs from my book:

"America's long-standing friendship with China,
combined with concern about Japan's militarism and invasions of
Manchuria and northern China, caused America to side with China in
the Sino-Japan war. However, America also had a policy of
non-interference, and had no vital interests in China, and so had
little desire to go to war with Japan -- or with Germany in
Europe, for that matter.

America did not even enter the Sino-Japan war when Japan's
warplanes bombed and sank the USS Panay on the Yangtze River on
December 12, 1937, as it was evacuating Americans from Nanking
during the Battle of Nanking (which became known as Japan's "Rape
of Nanking"). This is notable because it was the first Japanese
attack on an American naval vessel, and it was four years prior to
the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Three men on the USS Panay were killed, and 27 injured. The
Japanese claimed that the attack was a mistake, but few people
believe that. A newsreel of the Japanese warplanes sinking the
ship "went viral" in America and shocked the public, especially
because America was neutral in the war. Rather than risk America
entering the war on the side of China, the Japanese apologized and
paid compensation.

The Japanese massacre of Nanking and the sinking of the USS Panay
were shocks to the American public, but not shocking enough to
change American opinion against being drawn into the war,
especially after the apology.

When war broke out in Europe in September 1939, President Franklin
D. Roosevelt declared that while the United States would remain
neutral in law, he could "not ask that every American remain
neutral in thought as well." Because the American public was
strongly against entering the war, Roosevelt began supplying
weapons to Britain in exchange for leases on territory, and later
on deferred payment terms known as "The Lend-Lease program," which
would not require payment until after the war.

Over the course of the war, the United States contracted
Lend-Lease agreements with more than 30 countries, dispensing some
$50 billion in assistance. Although British Prime Minister Winston
Churchill later referred to the initiative as "the most unsordid
act" one nation had ever done for another, Roosevelt's primary
motivation was not altruism or disinterested generosity.

The Lend-Lease program didn't originally apply to China, but in
1940-41, Roosevelt formalized U.S. aid to China. The U.S. extended
credits to the Chinese Government for the purchase of war
supplies, as it slowly began to tighten restrictions on Japan.

The United States had been the main supplier of the oil, steel,
iron, and other commodities needed by the Japanese military in
China. But in January, 1940, Japan abrogated the existing treaty
of commerce with the United States. This abrogation gave
Roosevelt the ability to cut off or restrict the flow of military
supplies into Japan. After January 1940, the United States
combined a strategy of increasing aid to China through larger
credits and the Lend-Lease program with a gradual move towards an
embargo on the trade of all militarily useful items with Japan.

In 1940, Japan announced the intention to drive the Western
imperialist nations from Asia. On September 27, 1940, Japan
signed the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy, making China an
ally of the West. Then in mid-1941, Japan signed a Neutrality
Pact with the Soviet Union, freeing Japan's military to move into
Southeast Asia. A third agreement with Vichy France enabled
Japanese forces to move into French Indochina and begin their
Southern Advance.

Although negotiations restarted after the United States
increasingly enforced an embargo against Japan, they made little
headway. Diplomats in Washington came close to agreements on a
couple of occasions, but pro-Chinese sentiments in the United
States made it difficult to reach any resolution that would not
involve a Japanese withdrawal from China, and such a condition was
unacceptable to Japan's military leaders. Faced with serious
shortages as a result of the embargo, unable to retreat, and
convinced that the U.S. officials opposed further negotiations,
Japan's leaders came to the conclusion that they had to act
swiftly. For their part, U.S. leaders had not given up on a
negotiated settlement, and also doubted that Japan had the
military strength to attack the U.S. territory. Therefore they
were stunned when the unthinkable happened and Japanese planes
bombed the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. The
following day, the United States declared war on Japan, and it
soon entered into a military alliance with China. When Germany
stood by its ally and declared war on the United States, the
Roosevelt Administration faced war in both Europe and
Asia."


Note that when Japan bombed and sank the USS Panay, America stayed
neutral because the people didn't want to fight. And then when the
war in Europe began, America stayed neutral because the people didn't
want to fight. But the bombing of Pearl Harbor and the Bataan Death
March caused the "Regeneracy," the political battles were put aside
(despite the fact that FDR was even more divisive than Trump is
today), and the country united behind FDR to fight the Japanese.

Note also how heavily a "trade war" was part of this scenario.

So a possible scenario today is that China will be in a ground war in
Central Asia and, at some point, they decide they've run out of time.
At that point they attack Japan and Taiwan, and also attack the US
because they know that we'll defend Japan and Taiwan. That's one
possible scenario for a Regeneracy today. But there's no path at all
to a new American Civil War.

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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Postby CH86 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:30 am

John wrote:
So a possible scenario today is that China will be in a ground war in
Central Asia and, at some point, they decide they've run out of time.
At that point they attack Japan and Taiwan, and also attack the US
because they know that we'll defend Japan and Taiwan. That's one
possible scenario for a Regeneracy today. But there's no path at all
to a new American Civil War.



Your STILL evading because A china at war in Central Asian simply wouldn't be able to afford to worry about the what the US is doing. War there would mean far more than Just a war between China and Kazakhstan (cough RUSSIA, Cough INDIA, Cough Russian Nukes, Cough Indian nukes, Cough Chinese nukes needing to be prepped against the above forces).

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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Postby market_marinade » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:11 am

John, I was on twitter on my burner account and responded to one of Jim Cramer's tweets regarding his trust in Trump over the CCP, and how many people actually disagree with this allegiance (unbelievable).

I responded with this
https://twitter.com/adjustMyEbitda/stat ... 3505702912
and he ended up retweeting it, making it visible to 1.1 million of his followers.

Although I realized I should have posted one of your numerous articles on the situation rather than the Reuters one, I attributed my knowledge of the matter to Generational Dynamics shortly thereafter, seen here https://twitter.com/adjustMyEbitda/stat ... 1054193664

Not sure how many users have visited your website since, but it seems this type of content is becoming increasingly popular. I heard you were thinking of being active on the platform again. I think it could be very successful, especially in a time where everyone is confused and looking for answers.

Anyways, just thought I would share this with you

-J

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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Postby CH86 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:11 am

Also "Human rights" ideology is tyranny imposed by silent/early boomer globalists in order suppress the true energies of the American people. We the People will never fight for human rights tyranny, we will NEVER give up our guns, those are ours and we will NEVER give them to you. We are the land of the free and home of the brave.

An example of what we think of globalists and supporters (this one from 2011 when the tsunami hit Japan):

https://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/52 ... 762468.jpg

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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Postby Tom Mazanec » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:19 pm

mps92:
I always knew, since I was a child, that I would never marry, much less have children.
I am 61 and do not regret that decision.
SHARKS (crossed out) MONGEESE (sic) WITH FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS

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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Postby John » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:55 pm

** 28-Aug-2019 World View: China's war in Central Asia

CH86 wrote:> Your STILL evading because A china at war in Central Asian simply
> wouldn't be able to afford to worry about the what the US is
> doing. War there would mean far more than Just a war between China
> and Kazakhstan (cough RUSSIA, Cough INDIA, Cough Russian Nukes,
> Cough Indian nukes, Cough Chinese nukes needing to be prepped
> against the above forces).


In the 1990s, when the World War II survivors were running things, the
US could have stayed out of a war like that, since they knew how to
negotiate and compromise.

Today, over 15 years into a generational Crisis era, Generation-X is
firmly in charge, and Gen-Xers are totally incapable of negotiating or
compromising, which is why we're headed for a World War. Japan has
assets in India and Kazakhstan, and the Chinese, who hate the
Japanese, would attack these, which would draw Japan into the war.
This would quickly escalate and draw in the US.

You've been in the Fourth Turning forum for 15 years, and you still
have no clue what the difference is between an Unraveling era and a
Crisis era.

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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Postby John » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:57 pm

market_marinade wrote:> Anyways, just thought I would share this with you


Thanks!

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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Postby CH86 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:05 pm

John wrote:** 28-Aug-2019 World View: China's war in Central Asia

CH86 wrote:> Your STILL evading because A china at war in Central Asian simply
> wouldn't be able to afford to worry about the what the US is
> doing. War there would mean far more than Just a war between China
> and Kazakhstan (cough RUSSIA, Cough INDIA, Cough Russian Nukes,
> Cough Indian nukes, Cough Chinese nukes needing to be prepped
> against the above forces).


In the 1990s, when the World War II survivors were running things, the
US could have stayed out of a war like that, since they knew how to
negotiate and compromise.

Today, over 15 years into a generational Crisis era, Generation-X is
firmly in charge, and Gen-Xers are totally incapable of negotiating or
compromising, which is why we're headed for a World War. Japan has
assets in India and Kazakhstan, and the Chinese, who hate the
Japanese, would attack these, which would draw Japan into the war.
This would quickly escalate and draw in the US.

You've been in the Fourth Turning forum for 15 years, and you still
have no clue what the difference is between an Unraveling era and a
Crisis era.


Sino-Indian war in central asia would trigger intervention at some point. But That intervention wouldn't be from US/NATO. Kazakhstan Is part of Russia's CSTO defense pact, which you've been omitting? The above trigger would lead to Russian Involvement, Not US involvement. This is because those countries have actual interests in the region that they could not afford to just sit there and let china overrun. The US has no such assets there.

Also Post Arab spring, we are LESS interventionist than we were in the 1990s. Especially since Trump was Elected. The current pivot against China, is to keep China was breaking into the western Pacific, NOT to participate in inner Asian affairs.

Finally Gen-X is NOT in charge. Being in pencil pushing desk Jobs and blocked from actual management is not leading things. Management is firmly in Boomer Hands. Trump is a Boomer, Pelosi is a boomer, Schumer is a boomer, McConnell is a boomer, The Security advisors (Bolton and others) are boomers. Its your generation that currently Runs the Country. The same is True in Europe and China. The Only Major country that is currently Run by Xers is Russia (Putin is a boomer, but the rest of his cabinet are Xers).

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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Postby John » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:24 pm

** 28-Aug-2019 World View: China war

CH86 wrote:> Sino-Indian war in central asia would trigger intervention at some
> point. But That intervention wouldn't neccessarily have to be from
> US/NATO. Kazakhstan Is part of Russia's CSTO defense pact, which
> you've been omitting? The above trigger would lead to Russian
> Involvement, Not US involvement. This is because those countries
> have actual interests in the region that they could not afford to
> just sit there and let china overrun. The US has no such assets
> there.


So you're saying that there would be a full-scale war going
on between China vs Kazakhstan, Russia, India and Japan, and
the US and Europe would not get involved?

I'm at a loss for words. Believe whatever feels good.


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