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[richard5za]

... We do need to concentrate upon lifting the quality of the debates, or we will simply have a look to see if John has posted something new before reading anything

What "debates"!?

We don't debate in here. No one, other than perhaps me and a couple of long term denizens in here even bother to respond to anyone else, other than to spout their tyrannical/racist/totalitarian bullshit.

I actually will answer ANY question that is posed to me.

How often have you seen that in here?

That's no reflection on John, at all, of course. He's simply not that interested in "interpersonal conflict", and is just fine with getting his info out and letting us all do with it what we will.

I believe there is a function in this forum that allows you to "hide" posters you'd rather not see.

Don't like what you see... fuckin' use it! :)

(( The function is in: "User Control Panel"/"Friends and Foes"/"Ad New Foes[text box]" ))

Goodness me. You wouldn't win an award for good manners.

[John]

** 31-Jan-2020 World View: Interpesonal conflict

> That's no reflection on John, at all, of course. He's simply not
> that interested in "interpersonal conflict", and is just fine with
> getting his info out and letting us all do with it what we
> will.

"Debates"? "Interpersonal conflict"? Every day I read many news
stories of war, mass slaughter, torture, enslavement, organ harvesting
or whatever, not to mention political idiocy.

So I really don't need to participate in "interpersonal conflict"
in my own online forum.

The only thing I would add is that if the "debates" and flame wars get
too raucous and go on for too long, then I would point out to everyone
that I do reserve the right to move the entire long string of insults
and name-calling to another thread, under the "The Mixer" sub-forum,
where people can scream and shriek and bellow at one another to their
hearts' content.

[Guest]

I live in Asia, but not China.

Okay, here goes. Every single conference, business meeting, and seminar scheduled to be held in China I know of has been cancelled--not rescheduled--cancelled.

Clients who have factories operating in China that they are dependent on are really screwed. Everyone is looking for alternatives, but you can't build new factories in Vietnam overnight. People are facing complete ruin.

Where is this virus really taking us? This one feels creepy. I've been these before. This one seems different, completely so. I hope this burns out quickly, otherwise Asian economies are going to crash.

[John]

** 31-Jan-2020 World View: Some notes on Wuhan coronavirus

> I live in Asia, but not China.

> Okay, here goes. Every single conference, business meeting, and
> seminar scheduled to be held in China I know of has been
> cancelled--not rescheduled--cancelled.

> Clients who have factories operating in China that they are
> dependent on are really screwed. Everyone is looking for
> alternatives, but you can't build new factories in Vietnam
> overnight. People are facing complete ruin.

> Where is this virus really taking us? This one feels creepy. I've
> been these before. This one seems different, completely so. I hope
> this burns out quickly, otherwise Asian economies are going to
> crash.

I'm a lot less anxious about this situation than most people are.

• Is this the "big one"? The "big one" would be a major panic
  and worldwide financial crisis.
  
  I don't think so. If you look back at previous panics -- the 1929
  panic, the 1987 false panic, and the flash crash of a few years ago --
  they were all completely unexpected.
  
  In other words, you can't "expect" a panic. A panic is, almost by
  definition, "unexpectable." Therefore, if a panic is now "expected,"
  then it can't occur now.
  
  So there might be a 20% correction, but not a full-scale financial
  panic.
• According to a BBC report that I heard this morning, the South
  Koreans are in total panic over coronavirus, and there's a widespread
  belief that the virus was created in China's biological warfare
  lab. Some people claim that there is such a lab near Wuhan. However,
  as I've said before, this is extremely alarmist, and to my knowledge,
  no credible source considers it to be even likely.
• You say: "Okay, here goes. Every single conference, business
  meeting, and seminar scheduled to be held in China I know of has been
  cancelled--not rescheduled--cancelled."
  
  Of all the problems that the virus pandemic is causing, this is the
  easiest to fix. After a temporary pause, all of these conferences,
  meetings and seminars will be rescheduled to take place online over
  the internet. I would expect this problem to be almost completely
  solved by March 1.
• Factories and other places where people are needed onsite will
  also have their issues mitigated. People who don't need to be onsite
  are already being asked to work at home. People actually needed
  onsite will be educated, told to wear face masks, watch for symptoms,
  and so forth. It's still a very serious problem, and some factories
  may close, but it won't result in the ghost cities that some people
  are predicting. Some Chinese factories have already been relocating
  to Vietnam and other Asian countries because of the US-China trade
  war, and the coronavirus problem may accelerate that.
• There are various estimates about how long this will last. The
  number of new confirmed cases is increasing every day. When the
  number of new cases starts to decrease, that will signal the
  beginning of the end of the pandemic. That's likely to occur as
  winter ends, around May or June in the northern hemisphere. It
  may strike the southern hemisphere after that.

A further note on financial crisis: A number of laws were passed in
the 1930s with the objective of preventing a repeat of the 1929 stock
market crash. The years have gone by, and older generations who lived
through the 1930s have retired and died, leaving behind generations of
younger people with no personal memory of the 1930s. So these laws
have been repealed, mostly in the 1990s. Young people today see any
talk of a stock market crash as an evil plot by Boomers, inasmuch as
they already blame the 2001 Nasdaq crash on Boomers. If the
coronavirus problem leads to a 20% stock market correction, and then
there's a recovery, then young people will be further deluded into
believing that a stock market crash is impossible.

[FishbellykanakaDude]

...

Goodness me. You wouldn't win an award for good manners.

Yeah,.. that would be true! <chuckle!>

But manners are contingent on the context of the interaction. I'm more concerned with the "appropriateness" of my manners, in context.

[FishbellykanakaDude]

** 31-Jan-2020 World View: Interpesonal conflict

> That's no reflection on John, at all, of course. He's simply not
> that interested in "interpersonal conflict", and is just fine with
> getting his info out and letting us all do with it what we
> will.

"Debates"? "Interpersonal conflict"? Every day I read many news
stories of war, mass slaughter, torture, enslavement, organ harvesting
or whatever, not to mention political idiocy.

So I really don't need to participate in "interpersonal conflict"
in my own online forum.

The only thing I would add is that if the "debates" and flame wars get
too raucous and go on for too long, then I would point out to everyone
that I do reserve the right to move the entire long string of insults
and name-calling to another thread, under the "The Mixer" sub-forum,
where people can scream and shriek and bellow at one another to their
hearts' content.

'Tis funny, isn't it?

These little tempests in our (John's) little tea-pot here.

"The way the world REALLY works"™ is what this forum, and John's work, is all about.

Naming observations is how reality is discerned, and how "how it works" is ascertained.

I will gladly trade (accurate) observations that I am "rude", with (accurate) observations that self-proclaimed racists and would-be tyrants are "racists" and "tyrants".

..but,.. I also realize that many people can't handle reality, especially the reality of their own "characteristics", and that humor and appreciation of well-meaning "prodding" are usually NOT coincident in those people.

So, I'll make my observations of others as succinct as possible (from ME!!!?) in future, and make my "prods" so minuscule that the blood drawn wouldn't work in a glucometer.

Aloha gangies! Nā mahalo to John for his humor and wisdom (and occasional lack thereof just to keep things "juicy"!). <chuckle!> <shaka nui!>

[FishbellykanakaDude]

...

Where is this virus really taking us? This one feels creepy. I've been these before. This one seems different, completely so. ...

[FishbellykanakaDude]

Brexit and "No More Hoax Impeachment BS" within just a few minutes!

..yeehaw. Inter'stin' times, ladies and lads,.. inter'stin' times indeed!


Free Scotland...!!
..perhaps "Reunify Ireland".


<heh he he he he he...>

[John]

** 31-Jan-2020 World View: End of impeachment battle will not mean end of tribal war

Those who are foolish enough to hope that the Democrats who have been
spending years trying to impeach Trump will now return to anything
resembling sanity are deluding themselves. The Democrats are bitter,
angry and desperate, and the House is now planning to move from an
impeachment process to a re-impeachment process by issuing subpoenas
for Bolton and others. The Democrats announced from the day that he
was elected that they would be impeaching Trump, and they started with
phony white supremacist charges, continued with phony Russian
collusion charges, and when the Mueller report collapsed, went on to
phony Ukraine charges.

I've written several times about loathing and hatred that Democrats
have had for years for Tea Partiers, now the Trump supporters,
repeatedly threatening and inciting violence against them, using the
epithet "teabaggers," which is as bad as the n-word. I still recall
Anderson Cooper and David Gergen on CNN giggling and laughing with
each other over calling them "teabaggers."

As if we needed any reminding, a similar event occurred last
week when CNN hate-monger Don Lemon started laughing hysterically
as his guests started mocking Trump supporters as "credulous
boomer rubes." Hate-monger Lemon was literally laughing so hard he
was crying.

Lemon's guests were total morons, but they're what pass for mainstream
journalists these days. One of them, named Rick Wilson, said
the following:

"[Mike Pompeo] also knows deep within his heart that
Donald Trump couldn't find Ukraine on a map if you had the letter
U and a picture of an actual physical crane next to it. He knows
that this is, you know, an administration defined by ignorance of
the world. And so that's partly him playing to the base and
playing to their audience. You know, the credulous boomer rube
demo that backs Donald Trump."

The exchange continued as follows, according to Fox News:

As Lemon began crying with tears of laughter, Wilson
went on to depict what he thought a typical Trump supporter
sounded like.

"'Donald Trump's the smart one — and y'all elitists are dumb!'"
Wilson said with a heavy southern accent.

"'You elitists with your geography and your maps- and your
spelling!'" Ali chimed in during the mockery.

"'Your math and your reading!'" Wilson added. "'All those lines on
the map!'"

The CNN anchor almost lost his breath from laughing, wiping tears
from his eyes with a tissue.

"That was good," Lemon reacted. "That was a good one. I needed
that."

If you want to see a youtube video, I found one on the "Rick
and Bubba" show at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsEE57PGSE8

This is quite similar to the exchange between Anderson Cooper and
David Gergen on CNN giggling and laughing with each other over calling
the Tea Partiers "teabaggers."

The Tea Party is the "tribe" that turned into the 63 million Trump
supporters, and now the Democrats and the media have the same loathing
and hatred for the Trump supporters that they've had for years for the
Tea Partiers.

For years, the Democrats and the mainstream media have expressed
enormous loathing and hatred for the Tea Partiers, repeatedly inciting
violence against them and using the epithet "teabaggers," which is as
bad as the n-word. I still recall Anderson Cooper and David Gergen on
CNN giggling and laughing with each other over calling them
"teabaggers." The loathing and hatred was evident, as it was for many
people on CNN and other mainstream media and Democrats.

More recently, we have examples like Peter Strzok referring to "smelly
Walmart Trump supporters," and we have the lunatic hag Maxine Waters
inciting violence against Trump supporters by screaming that they
should be confronted in restaurants and gas stations. The Democrats
are encouraging the Fascist group Antifa to attack pro-Trump speakers
with violence.

This Democrats vs Tea Party loathing and hatred is completely
indistinguishable from Hutu hatred for Tutsis, Burmese vs Rohingya,
Nazi vs Jew, English vs Scot, Han vs Uighur, Sunni vs Shia, and so
forth. The only real question is how far the violence will be carried
in America, and whether it will go as far as some of these other
similar examples.

As I've written in the past, I'm probably the only person reading this
who actually watched all five days of the intelligence committee
impeachment hearings, and what I saw was almost beyond belief in
America. The witnesses were all called by the Democrats, since the
Republicans were forbidden from calling witnesses. Each one of the
Democrats' witnesses was sure that Trump had required Ukraine to
investigate Joe and Hunter Biden in exchange for receiving military
aid. Each witness was forced to back down under Republican
cross-examination. So in the end there was no evidence whatsoever.
None.

Violence and threats of violence played a major role in impeachment
hearings. The Democrats' star witness Gordon Sondland was forced to
change his testimony. That occurred because Oregon Democratic
Rep. Earl Blumenauer and other Democrats called on anti-Trump
activists to attack Sondland's businesses. Sondland was forced to
change his testimony to support the Democrats because his businesses
and family were being threatened with violence, riots and
demonstrations, after Democrats led by Adam Schiff called on the
rioters to threaten Sondland.

But even so, Sondland was forced to back down under Republican
cross-examination. So at the end, not a single witness supported
the Democrats' charges. Not a single one.

If anyone disagrees with me, you can do your own research. Find the
hearings videos on cspan.org and watch them yourself. Of course I
know that nobody will do that, since it requires actual work. It's
easier to believe what you're told to believe.

You can also just read the transcript of the July 25 phone call:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/u ... 9.2019.pdf

Another witness was Jonathan Turley. He said that impeachment couldn't
be justified on the current record, and anti-Trump activists
threatened Turley's family with violence.

As I said, this is tribal warfare, and the violence and threatened
violence by the Democrats is far from over, as the Democrats are
repeatedly humiliated and desperate.

After each day's testimony, I would turn on the BBC, and I would
hear the following:

"Today, Ambassador X gave explosive testimony that
Trump withheld aid from Ukraine until Ukraine started
investigating Joe and Hunter Biden."

This is what really shocked me, since this is the opposite of what
happened. Instead of reporting on what actually happened, the BBC
"reported" Democratic press releases. This happened every day.

Why is the BBC simply quoting Democratic press releases? It's
possible that the Democrats are paying the BBC to do so. We know that
the BBC has a deal with NPR, and it's possible that the deal with NPR
requires them to simply use Democratic talking points from Democratic
press releases, rather than the actual news.

You have to wonder. Is the BBC also "reporting" talking points from
political activists in other countries? When the BBC reports on
France's political conflicts between Macron and the labor unions,
which side is paying off the BBC? The same is true of BBC reporting
in other countries.

So the BBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN, ABC and other mainstream new sources all
reported the same thing from Democratic party press releases: "The
Democrats have proven that Trump is guilty of trying to manipulate the
2020 election by demanding that Ukraine investigate his political
opposition, Joe Biden, in return for military aid that would protect
not only Ukraine, but also the United States, and Trump is covering it
up." It doesn't make sense, but that's what all the mainstream news
sources are "reporting."

Question: Why did Nancy Pelosi hold on to the articles of
impeachment for a month? Answer: Because there was zero evidence
supporting them, and she was hoping for some kind of bombshell.

The "bombshell" finally came when the NY Times claimed, without any
confirmation, that Bolton's unpublished book supported the Democrats.

That led to the demand for more witnesses in the Senate, and the vote
on Friday (1/31) not to call witnesses.

So now the Democratic / mainstream media message is as follows: "Trump
is guilty of wrongdoing, but will not be convicted because the
Republicans refused to allow a fair trial."

So, the final vote on acquittal in the Senate is now scheduled for
Wednesday. But that won't be the end of it.

This is a tribal war based on the Democrat's loathing and hatred of
the 63 million Tea Partiers / Trump supporters, the smelly Walmart
shoppers, the "teabaggers," the "credulous boomer rubes," and all the
other names that make Democrats laugh so hard that they have tears in
their eyes.

The lunatic hag Maxine Waters already announced two weeks ago:

"We will not stop. Whether or not that leads to
another impeachment activity, I don’t know. But I know we must
continue with the work that our constituents have elected us to
come to Congress to do."

So after impeachment, the Democrats will begin re-impeachment, since
that's what Maxine Waters' constituents elected her to do. The
impeachment event is just one battle in the tribal warfare against the
63 million Tea Partiers / Trump supporters, and the tribal war will
continue. The Democrats are going to be increasingly desperate as the
election approaches, and they'll try anything, including violence, to
defeat Trump and his supporters. The most unbearable thought of all
is four more years of smelly Trump supporters.

I want to make special mention of the lead Democrat impeachment
manager, Adam Schiff. This guy has lied constantly and openly, but it
doesn't matter, because the Democrats love him because he hates and
loathes Trump's supporters as much as they do.

Schiff reminds me of Bill Clinton in that both of them can talk for
hours in front of an audience. But Clinton was generally honest as a
speaker, even though he was a violent serial rapist. Schiff is not a
rapist, as far as we know, but whatever he says is complete garbage.

Today, the leaders of the Democratic party are Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez (AOC), who makes one moronic, pathetic statement after
another, and Adam Schiff, who lies in one statement after another.
This is what the Democrat party has come to.



---- Related posts:

*** 03-Dec-2019 World View: Civil war and impeachment hearings
*** http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 678#p48678

*** 05-Dec-2019 World View: Second American Civil War
*** http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 711#p48711

*** 05-Dec-2019 World View: Corey Booker turns on Democrats' racism
*** http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 712#p48712

*** 06-Dec-2019 World View: Jonathan Turley on impeachment
*** http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 725#p48725

*** 14-Dec-2019 World View: Impeachment and violence
*** http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 827#p48827

[Trevor]

Seeing all this is beginning to convince me that our crisis war is going to be a civil war. I know it's been dismissed many times. Even two years ago, I would have laughed at the very idea of things getting to that point. Now. . . I'm not so sure anymore. There are people I know who are willing to justify Antifa's actions, because, after all, their targets are white supremacists. I've had people throw me out of their lives because I'm not on the "impeach Trump" bandwagon. Not liking him isn't enough. I've read article after article and blog post where people proudly proclaim they have cut all ties with their former Republican friends and family.

I haven't watched the entire thing the way John has, but I've seen enough to where these people scare me. Trump might have thrown gasoline onto the fire, but I don't think the response would be very different if Rubio or Cruz had gotten elected. The media ignores or justifies Antifa's actions in Portland and other cities. Far as they're concerned, all Trump supporters deserve the same treatment.

They've already declared the 2020 election illegitimate even though it's 10 months away. Trump's likely to win in a landslide, though the Democrats will do their best to cheat. Sometimes I wonder if the GOP will vote to remove him just to try and appease their anger, even if it wouldn't work.

Things got real crazy after the 2008 recession and we've still got one coming. I don't think it's been this terrible since immediately before the Civil War. You wear a Trump hat in the cities, you're likely to be beaten or at least harassed. I've been watching events in Virginia, and they were begging for a violent incident so they could spin it. Governor Northam was all but provoking one, but nothing happened, much to their disappointment. They want to disarm their political opponents, which sends chills up my spine.

When it comes to confiscation, Virginia is the canary in the coal mine. I don't think they understand just how important gun rights are to conservative, else you wouldn't hear calls to send in the National Guard to disarm them. No, the Governor hasn't actually ordered this, but some lawmakers have suggested it. Some will do anything for total submission, and I don't think they realize what they could unleash.

It wouldn't be red state versus blue state. It'd be rural versus urban, with numerous factions fighting for control of the country. I'm still not convinced we're really going to have a civil war, but the trend line is going in that direction. Everything is considered justified, so long as the Tea Partiers are crushed.