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John wrote:** 31-Jan-2020 World View: End of impeachment battle will not mean end of tribal war

Those who are foolish enough to hope that the Democrats who have been
spending years trying to impeach Trump will now return to anything
resembling sanity are deluding themselves. The Democrats are bitter,
angry and desperate, and the House is now planning to move from an
impeachment process to a re-impeachment process by issuing subpoenas
for Bolton and others. The Democrats announced from the day that he
was elected that they would be impeaching Trump, and they started with
phony white supremacist charges, continued with phony Russian
collusion charges, and when the Mueller report collapsed, went on to
phony Ukraine charges....

This Democrats vs Tea Party loathing and hatred is completely
indistinguishable from Hutu hatred for Tutsis, Burmese vs Rohingya,
Nazi vs Jew, English vs Scot, Han vs Uighur, Sunni vs Shia, and so
forth. The only real question is how far the violence will be carried
in America, and whether it will go as far as some of these other
similar examples. ...
The Dem-Media-"Establishment" group, which I call the One-Party-State, is bent on monopolizing all governmental power (via the point of a gun) and "reinterpreting" (rewriting) the Constitution to allow infinite perpetual power to be wielded by the chosen elite.

Here is the plan, or desired outcomes, of their wishes:
America's Anti-Democratic Constitution, Explained... by Vox

Four features of our anti-democratic democracy
Broadly speaking, there are four features of our system of government that make our democracy less democratic, many of them working in interlocking ways. These features also happen to give the GOP a structural advantage.

1) The Senate is deeply unrepresentative of the country

..more than half of the US population lives in just nine states. That means that much of the nation is represented by only 18 senators. Less than half of the population controls about 82 percent of the Senate.

By 2040, according to a University of Virginia analysis of census projections, half the population will live in eight states. About 70 percent of people will live in 16 states — which means that 30 percent of the population will control 68 percent of the Senate.

Currently, Democrats control a majority of the Senate seats (26-24) in the most populous half of the states. Republicans owe their majority in the Senate as a whole to their crushing 29-21 lead in the least populous half of the states. Those small states tend to be dominated by white voters who are increasingly likely to identify with the Republican Party.

..In the current Senate, the Republican “majority” represents about 15 million fewer people than the Democratic “minority.” And if current trends continue, the Republican advantage is likely to grow.

..When Scalia died in 2016, Republicans had a 54-46 majority in the Senate, despite the fact that Democratic senators represented about 20 million more people than Republicans in 2016.

2) The next winner of the Electoral College could lose the popular vote by as much as 6 percentage points

Another theory, recently offered by political scientist Josep Colomer at the Monkey Cage, is that the framers never intended for the Electoral College to choose presidents. They merely expected the Electoral College to whittle down the list of candidates.

Under the original Constitution, the Electoral College would vote on who its members believed should be president. But, if no candidate received a majority, the House would choose the president from among the five candidates who received the most votes.

..According to Colomer, “delegates in Philadelphia expected states would put forward a variety of candidates; none would win a national majority in the electoral college; and the election would typically pass to the House of Representatives.” The framers’ error was that they “didn’t expect candidates to emerge and run nationwide.”

So the Electoral College was either a poorly designed kludge that failed to achieve its intended purpose, or a misbegotten device intended to preserve a great evil.

3) Partisan gerrymandering is still allowed

..Republicans owe that five-justice majority to Senate malapportionment and the Electoral College. Without these two anti-democratic features of our Constitution, it is likely that, at the very least, the most aggressive partisan gerrymanders would also be forbidden.

4) The Constitution is virtually impossible to amend

..It takes three-quarters of the states to ratify constitutional amendments — which means that Republicans will almost certainly be able to block any attempt to remove the Constitution’s anti-democratic features.

..a difficult amendment process is only a virtue if the Constitution’s underlying structures are, themselves, conducive to democracy. If those structures become hostile to democracy — or if they tend to cement a minority faction in power — a difficult amendment process prevents the nation from replacing those flawed structures with a more democratic system.

Democrats can resort to nuclear tactics. If Democrats somehow manage to overcome the odds and capture Congress and the White House, they could divide large blue states like California and New York up into several states (provided that the legislatures of those states agreed to such an arrangement), thus changing the makeup of the malapportioned Senate. They could also add new seats to the Supreme Court to cancel out the GOP’s treatment of Obama Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland.

But such moves invite retaliation if Republicans regain control. If there can be 10 Californias, why not 50 Alabamas?

Realistically, the most democratic solutions, such as abolishing the Senate or replacing it with a body that fairly represents all Americans, are off the table in a nation that cannot amend its Constitution. And so we’re likely left with our undemocratic system for a long while, pushing for reform when and where possible, but likely unable to fix the system absent a major political realignment.
  • Abolish or neutralize the Electoral College.
  • Create Political Electoral Oblasts to "properly adjust" the function of the Electoral College.
  • Abolish the Senate.
  • Enlarge and Pack the Courts (especially the Supreme Court).
  • Make it vastly easier to Amend the Constitution.
  • Realign the Polity,.. meaning REVOLUTION by force.
Essentially, de-constitute the US to allow for perpetual elite rule.

..it ain't gonna happen, but the hopes and wishes of a "utopian movement" will forever fuel deluded utopians to "bring the new world forth", and will torture and contort it's acolytes surrounding society in evil ways.

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Trevor wrote:Seeing all this is beginning to convince me that our crisis war is going to be a civil war. I know it's been dismissed many times. Even two years ago, I would have laughed at the very idea of things getting to that point. Now. . . I'm not so sure anymore. ...

It wouldn't be red state versus blue state. It'd be rural versus urban, with numerous factions fighting for control of the country. I'm still not convinced we're really going to have a civil war, but the trend line is going in that direction. Everything is considered justified, so long as the Tea Partiers are crushed.
There are (to my knowledge, and I have looked) no "Second US Civil War" computer games.

That I find VERY odd!

My personal "theory" is that that niche is filled by "Zombie Horde" games.

..now if someone develops a zombie game where there are two sides, the zombies and the humans, where some players can "learn to love being a zombie" by submitting to the 'over-mind' such that "sensual and intoxicating pleasures" are their reward for their mindless horde-like anti-human activities...

THAT might be a very profitable, and popular, "US 2nd Civil War" simulator!?

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Trevor wrote:Seeing all this is beginning to convince me that our crisis war is going to be a civil war. I know it's been dismissed many times. Even two years ago, I would have laughed at the very idea of things getting to that point. Now. . . I'm not so sure anymore. There are people I know who are willing to justify Antifa's actions, because, after all, their targets are white supremacists. I've had people throw me out of their lives because I'm not on the "impeach Trump" bandwagon. Not liking him isn't enough. I've read article after article and blog post where people proudly proclaim they have cut all ties with their former Republican friends and family.

I haven't watched the entire thing the way John has, but I've seen enough to where these people scare me. Trump might have thrown gasoline onto the fire, but I don't think the response would be very different if Rubio or Cruz had gotten elected. The media ignores or justifies Antifa's actions in Portland and other cities. Far as they're concerned, all Trump supporters deserve the same treatment.

They've already declared the 2020 election illegitimate even though it's 10 months away. Trump's likely to win in a landslide, though the Democrats will do their best to cheat. Sometimes I wonder if the GOP will vote to remove him just to try and appease their anger, even if it wouldn't work.

Things got real crazy after the 2008 recession and we've still got one coming. I don't think it's been this terrible since immediately before the Civil War. You wear a Trump hat in the cities, you're likely to be beaten or at least harassed. I've been watching events in Virginia, and they were begging for a violent incident so they could spin it. Governor Northam was all but provoking one, but nothing happened, much to their disappointment. They want to disarm their political opponents, which sends chills up my spine.

When it comes to confiscation, Virginia is the canary in the coal mine. I don't think they understand just how important gun rights are to conservative, else you wouldn't hear calls to send in the National Guard to disarm them. No, the Governor hasn't actually ordered this, but some lawmakers have suggested it. Some will do anything for total submission, and I don't think they realize what they could unleash.

It wouldn't be red state versus blue state. It'd be rural versus urban, with numerous factions fighting for control of the country. I'm still not convinced we're really going to have a civil war, but the trend line is going in that direction. Everything is considered justified, so long as the Tea Partiers are crushed.
As an outsider one of the things I have noticed about America is the division between Republican and Democrat; it seems to define you as a person, both in your own attitudes and how others regard you. Almost like Catholic and Protestant in Northern Ireland. Most Americans I have met are big hearted, well meaning, well mannered people, and a division of this nature is a great pity.

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** 01-Feb-2020 World View: Civil war
Trevor wrote: > Seeing all this is beginning to convince me that our crisis war is
> going to be a civil war. I know it's been dismissed many
> times. Even two years ago, I would have laughed at the very idea
> of things getting to that point. Now. . . I'm not so sure
> anymore. There are people I know who are willing to justify
> Antifa's actions, because, after all, their targets are white
> supremacists. I've had people throw me out of their lives because
> I'm not on the "impeach Trump" bandwagon. Not liking him isn't
> enough. I've read article after article and blog post where people
> proudly proclaim they have cut all ties with their former
> Republican friends and family.

> I haven't watched the entire thing the way John has, but I've seen
> enough to where these people scare me. Trump might have thrown
> gasoline onto the fire, but I don't think the response would be
> very different if Rubio or Cruz had gotten elected. The media
> ignores or justifies Antifa's actions in Portland and other
> cities. Far as they're concerned, all Trump supporters deserve the
> same treatment.

> They've already declared the 2020 election illegitimate even
> though it's 10 months away. Trump's likely to win in a landslide,
> though the Democrats will do their best to cheat. Sometimes I
> wonder if the GOP will vote to remove him just to try and appease
> their anger, even if it wouldn't work.

> Things got real crazy after the 2008 recession and we've still got
> one coming. I don't think it's been this terrible since
> immediately before the Civil War. You wear a Trump hat in the
> cities, you're likely to be beaten or at least harassed. I've been
> watching events in Virginia, and they were begging for a violent
> incident so they could spin it. Governor Northam was all but
> provoking one, but nothing happened, much to their
> disappointment. They want to disarm their political opponents,
> which sends chills up my spine.

> When it comes to confiscation, Virginia is the canary in the coal
> mine. I don't think they understand just how important gun rights
> are to conservative, else you wouldn't hear calls to send in the
> National Guard to disarm them. No, the Governor hasn't actually
> ordered this, but some lawmakers have suggested it. Some will do
> anything for total submission, and I don't think they realize what
> they could unleash.

> It wouldn't be red state versus blue state. It'd be rural versus
> urban, with numerous factions fighting for control of the
> country. I'm still not convinced we're really going to have a
> civil war, but the trend line is going in that
> direction. Everything is considered justified, so long as the Tea
> Partiers are crushed.

Could you give me some links to the articles and blog posts that
you're referencing?

I still reject the concept of a "civil war" in any meaningful sense.

As I've mentioned in the past, my father, a Greek immigrant, once told
me that the violence in America in the 1930s was so bad that he
thought America would not survive. Furthermore, FDR was just as hated
and divisive then as Trump is today. Nonetheless, nobody describes
the 1930s as a time of civil war, as far as I know.

It's true that I am afraid of what the Democrats will unleash if Trump
wins again in November and the Democrats are facing the unbearable
horror of four more years of Trump supporters, but I expect the
violence to be sporadic.

The bitterness and fury of the Democrats is plainly visible on tv
among the politicians and mainstream media "reporters." And there's
no doubt that this is reflected in the Democrats in the general
public, as you said: "I've read article after article and blog post
where people proudly proclaim they have cut all ties with their former
Republican friends and family."

However, here's where the civil war concept breaks down. Crisis civil
wars are along fault lines based on things like ethnicity, skin color,
religion, and so forth. But I assume that the articles and blog posts
you're reading don't go farther and say something like, "I've cut all
ties with my former Republican friends and family, and now I'm making
plans to go back and kill them."

If you start reading articles and blog posts of that sort, beyond
sporadic stuff from Antifa nutjobs, then we can re-assess the
possibility of civil war.

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** 01-Feb-2020 World View: The way the world works
richard5za wrote: > As an outsider one of the things I have noticed about America is
> the division between Republican and Democrat; it seems to define
> you as a person, both in your own attitudes and how others regard
> you. Almost like Catholic and Protestant in Northern Ireland. Most
> Americans I have met are big hearted, well meaning, well mannered
> people, and a division of this nature is a great pity.
Unfortunately, that's the way the world works.

Twelve years ago, you were kind enough to educate me about the history
of the Mfecane, the Zulu Empire, and the Great Trek, and you can see
the divisions from that history reflected in South Africa today.

We forget that America has its own history. The American Civil War
was extremely bloody and brutal, as every generational crisis war
always is, and the divisions from that history are reflected in
today's society. A lot of the bitterness and anger between Democrats
and Tea Partiers today is a consequence of the Democrats losing the
Civil War and losing the economic benefits of slavery.

The same is true in pretty much all countries. The "troubles" in
Northern Ireland are not really between Catholics and Protestants, as
you suggest. The divisions are between the indigenous Gaelics and the
descendants of the invading Scots and English, and date back at least
as far as the the Nine Years War (1594-1603) and the Ulster
Plantation, which Gaelics today refer to as "ethnic cleansing,"
because the British drove the Gaelics from their land, took it over as
landlords, and used the Gaelics as servants.

And Brexit is reopening the bloody fault line between English and
Scots that dates back at least as far as the Battle of Bannockburn, on
June 24, 1314. The War of the Spanish Succession may have unified
Britain, but it didn't make the Scots and the English love each other,
and that's becoming increasingly apparent.

So what you say is true. Americans are big hearted, well meaning,
well mannered people, but the current divisiveness is unfortunately
just the way the world works.

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A large number of US residents are here illegally. They are here to loot. A huge number of US citizens are loyal to Latin America, and are here to live off the taxpayer dime. They have no loyalty to the US. These people would use CW as an opportunity to loot and kill as they have done in their own failed state homelands. You refuse to accept this. That is the hole in your logic. This country has tens of millions of people living in it that have no loyalty to this country.

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John wrote:** 01-Feb-2020 World View: The way the world works
richard5za wrote: > As an outsider one of the things I have noticed about America is
> the division between Republican and Democrat; it seems to define
> you as a person, both in your own attitudes and how others regard
> you. Almost like Catholic and Protestant in Northern Ireland. Most
> Americans I have met are big hearted, well meaning, well mannered
> people, and a division of this nature is a great pity.
Unfortunately, that's the way the world works.

Twelve years ago, you were kind enough to educate me about the history
of the Mfecane, the Zulu Empire, and the Great Trek, and you can see
the divisions from that history reflected in South Africa today.

We forget that America has its own history. The American Civil War
was extremely bloody and brutal, as every generational crisis war
always is, and the divisions from that history are reflected in
today's society. A lot of the bitterness and anger between Democrats
and Tea Partiers today is a consequence of the Democrats losing the
Civil War and losing the economic benefits of slavery.

The same is true in pretty much all countries. The "troubles" in
Northern Ireland are not really between Catholics and Protestants, as
you suggest. The divisions are between the indigenous Gaelics and the
descendants of the invading Scots and English, and date back at least
as far as the the Nine Years War (1594-1603) and the Ulster
Plantation, which Gaelics today refer to as "ethnic cleansing,"
because the British drove the Gaelics from their land, took it over as
landlords, and used the Gaelics as servants.

And Brexit is reopening the bloody fault line between English and
Scots that dates back at least as far as the Battle of Bannockburn, on
June 24, 1314. The War of the Spanish Succession may have unified
Britain, but it didn't make the Scots and the English love each other,
and that's becoming increasingly apparent.

So what you say is true. Americans are big hearted, well meaning,
well mannered people, but the current divisiveness is unfortunately
just the way the world works.
Very interesting perspective, John. Thank you for the detailed response. Yes, I agree totally with your analysis of Northern Ireland. And the Scots don't like the English at all, historically and in more recent times the English have more successful economically. Years ago I was on business in Scotland and as a South African I was being royally entertained but I did need to agree quite often that the English were no good. I had very similar experiences in Wales and Dublin.

I didn't realise that the American fault line had its routes in the Civil War, and that the Democrats were Southerners. Southerners have a (probably not true) reputation of being politically about 5 degrees to the right of Attila the Hun! And it really is the most successful country on the planet economically, and can afford to educate its people better than anyone else, so I suppose I expected a more enlightened attitude.

But I suppose humans are humans everywhere.

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From another forum:
Yes ... Its called Martial Law ... All your freedoms go bye-bye
Not going to happen in the United States of paranoid delusions.
Enough nutbars have been wound up by the GOP, NRA and right wing media to create a civil war if they tried .
Bubba got a coal rolling truck and a 50 cal he ain't gonna obey your rules.
This was in regards to my question if America could impose the kind of measures to stop the coronavirus that China has.
I think if it got that bad, the "nutbars" would go along with the program, however.
Am I right, or is he?
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

― G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain

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Guest wrote:A large number of US residents are here illegally. They are here to loot. A huge number of US citizens are loyal to Latin America, and are here to live off the taxpayer dime. They have no loyalty to the US. These people would use CW as an opportunity to loot and kill as they have done in their own failed state homelands. You refuse to accept this. That is the hole in your logic. This country has tens of millions of people living in it that have no loyalty to this country.
You seem to imply that these not-loyal-to-USA people would go on a large scale looting and murdering spree.

They know they're vastly outnumbered.

They know they'd be hunted down, rather quickly, and killed as "vermin".

Some very few of them would choose that variety of suicide, but there wouldn't be a large scale "movement" to do so.

Being "loyal to latin america" is not a thing. That LA (Latin American) country hates that other LA country, and they hate that other one, and two of those LA countries REALLY hate that other LA country, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

We all realize that you'd love a good civil war, to vent all those pent up frustrations and "erotic" desires to satisfy your blood lust, but it just ain't gonna happen, buckeroo. :)
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richard5za wrote:... As an outsider one of the things I have noticed about America is the division between Republican and Democrat; it seems to define you as a person, both in your own attitudes and how others regard you. Almost like Catholic and Protestant in Northern Ireland. Most Americans I have met are big hearted, well meaning, well mannered people, and a division of this nature is a great pity.
There are many "one-party-state" forces that are trying to make political "alignment" into a complete replacement for religion.

They want there to be only true dogmatic believers and heretics.

Killing off the heretics is the goal.

That's not the American way, of course, but there has always been an anti-American contingent within American society.

The energy barrier to truly changing the American tendency to NOT make politics into religion is extremely high, due to the "inertia" of our individuality oriented culture, and our "checks and balances" governance systems.

..but rust (and the zombie horde) never sleeps.

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