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Trevor
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Had a suggestion for something you could add when it comes to American involvement in the Vietnam War. I've heard numerous people claim: "If only Kennedy hadn't been assassinated, all of this could have been avoided. He would have withdrawn us from Vietnam and none of this would have happened." Considering there were more than 20,000 troops at the time of his assassination, I find this something the Kennedy image machine concocted. He was determined to fight the Cold War, and had he lived, he'd probably have had his legacy ruined by it.

I know it's not a correction, per se, but it is an idea.

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** 13-Feb-2021 World View: If Kennedy hadn't been assassinated
Trevor wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:42 pm
> Had a suggestion for something you could add when it comes to
> American involvement in the Vietnam War. I've heard numerous
> people claim: "If only Kennedy hadn't been assassinated, all of
> this could have been avoided. He would have withdrawn us from
> Vietnam and none of this would have happened." Considering there
> were more than 20,000 troops at the time of his assassination, I
> find this something the Kennedy image machine concocted. He was
> determined to fight the Cold War, and had he lived, he'd probably
> have had his legacy ruined by it.

> I know it's not a correction, per se, but it is an idea.
The premise is completely untrue. Kennedy was much too young and weak
to be president, and he couldn't deal with his advisers, who were all
20 years older than he was, and far more experienced and knowledgeable
than Kennedy.

The result was that Kennedy made one disastrous decision after
another, especially the decisions to make Laos neutral and to engineer
a coup against Diem, resulting in Diem's assassination. These
decisions sabotaged the entire war effort, so that the war was lost by
the time Kennedy was assassinated.

But even though the war was lost, there is no chance that Kennedy
would have withdrawn from Vietnam. He was still too young and weak,
and he would have done as advised by his older advisers, who were
still much more experienced than he was, and they would have advised
him to expand the war, which is what Johnson did. Kennedy had already
made several disastrous decisions, and if he had lived, he would have
made more disastrous decisions.

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Hi John,

Probably part 3/4 of proof-reading.

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Chapter 43.3. Truong Dinh - anti-French guerrilla movement
- 4th paragraph (... Emperor Tu-Duc. [b]They[/b] asserted their loyalty...)

Chapter 46.1. Disastrous decisions by President Kennedy
- 6th paragraph (... Soviet-backed antiwar activists were [b]demanding[/b].) ?
- 7th paragraph (... attrition in Vietnam, something [b]that[/b] could never have...)
- 3rd last paragraph (... sabotage of the war effort [b]for[/b] why Diem...)

Chapter 46.2. The question of insanity
- 2nd paragraph (Every reader of this book will, ..., [b]have[/b] done...)

Chapter 46.4. Facts and events vs Context
- 2nd last paragraph (But before we do that, [s]then[/s] we're going...)

Chapter 48.2. Insanity
- 3rd paragrah (We might eat something [b]that[/b] puts on weight,...)

Chapter 49.1. The Vietnam War and American generations
- 6th last paragraph (... within the GI and Silent generations there [b]were[/b]...)

Chapter 51.3 Zimbabwe after war of independence
- last paragraph (... for the psychologists how [s]a[/s] someone can be so...)

Chapter 51.9. The generational 'Democide Pattern'
- last bullet point (... police stand by [b]and[/b] watch as ...)
- 2nd last paragraph (... excuse for the government to [b]collectively punish everyone[/b]...) ?

Chapter 52.3. The Vietnamese view of the Vietnam war
- middle paragraph, after Taylor's single line quote (... Republic of (South) [b]Vietnam[/s]...)
- middle paragraph, before Taylor's essay quote (... his own personal [b]conflicted[/b] feelings...) ?

Chapter 63. North Vietnam ratifies Resolution 16, authorizing war
- last paragraph (... approval of Resolution Fifteen, authorizing war...)   15, 16?
Phong: What do you think about the book? Does it present a fair
picture of Vietnam? And what about you? Does the Battle of Bach Dang
River, where the Vietnamese won a brilliant victory over the Chinese
and ended Chinese rule, fill you with nationalistic pride?


I no longer have any real ties to Vietnam, so my nationalism isn't very strong. If anything,
I appreciate the down trodden's will to fight for their innate freedom and against tyranny of
having the yoke of another around their neck. The book does strike a chord of truth with me
and I can see how the history of Vietnam explains many of the things that I've experienced,
even on an unconscious level, that make sense now that I have a better understanding of the
past dynamics in play.

But as to my personal philosophy, I think I would say J Krishnamurti describes my worldview
the best. So in that regard, I enjoy reading history, and even more so, the rationale for why
things occurred the way they did, but at the same time I see it all slightly as subjective folly,
if that makes sense.

:=)

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** 14-Feb-2021 World View: More corrections
Phong Tran wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:26 am
> Hi John, Probably part 3/4 of proof-reading. ... ... ...

> Phong: What do you think about the book? Does it present a fair
> picture of Vietnam? And what about you? Does the Battle of Bach
> Dang River, where the Vietnamese won a brilliant victory over the
> Chinese and ended Chinese rule, fill you with nationalistic
> pride?


> I no longer have any real ties to Vietnam, so my nationalism isn't
> very strong. If anything, I appreciate the down trodden's will to
> fight for their innate freedom and against tyranny of having the
> yoke of another around their neck. The book does strike a chord
> of truth with me and I can see how the history of Vietnam explains
> many of the things that I've experienced, even on an unconscious
> level, that make sense now that I have a better understanding of
> the past dynamics in play.

> But as to my personal philosophy, I think I would say J
> Krishnamurti describes my worldview the best. So in that regard, I
> enjoy reading history, and even more so, the rationale for why
> things occurred the way they did, but at the same time I see it
> all slightly as subjective folly, if that makes sense.

> :=)
Thanks for your latest corrections. They've been incorporated into
the online text. I really appreciate the thorough job you're doing.

I've checked out the web site (https://jkrishnamurti.org/). It seems
like an interesting philosophy, different from anything else I've
seen.

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Hi John,

Last sections for possible edits.

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Chapter 64.1. Core issues - John Kennedy and William Averell Harriman
- 3rd paragraph (... well-known that Harriman [b]hated / had a hatred for[/b] Ngo Dinh Diem,...)

Chapter 64.2. Kennedy's youth and inexperience
- last paragraph (... Constitution so that [b]the[/b] president has...)

Chapter 64.3. Two peoples, quite apart in culture, thrown together against a common enemy
- 1st paragraph after long quote (... dependent on American military [b]are[/b], felt...) ?
- next paragraph right after (As [b]the[/b] years passed, and ...)

Chapter 64.4 Ngo Dinh Diem and South Vietnam's imperfect democracy
- last paragraph (... backed by China and Russia [b]tried[/b] to invade and ...)

Chatper 64.6. America's conflicting policies in Vietnam under Eisenhower
- first paragraph (Unofficially, American [s]official[/s] officials sought to ...)

Chapter 66.2. Boer War (1899-1902) resettlement operations for counterinsurgency
- 2nd paragraph (At that point, the war [b]turned[/b] into a guerilla ...)
- 3rd paragraph (... built, where thousands [b]of[/b] women and children ...)
- 2nd last paragraph (... came in the construction [b]of[/b] over 8,000 blockhouses...)
- last paragraph (... British peace conditions and signed [s]and signed[/s] the Treaty...)

Chapter 66.3. The Malayan Emergency (1948-55)
- 3rd last paragraph (... areas, particularly the jungles, [b]were[/b] "black... )

Chapter 67.1. Mixed success of strategic harmlet program
- last paragraph (... North Vietnam Vietcong were ethnically [b]identically[/b], while in... ) ?

Chapter 68.2. Rise of antiwar activism
- 2nd paragraph (... denouncing Diem as a dictator, and [b]claimed[/b] that American...)

Chapter 69. Why did the Strategic Hamlets program fail?
- 3rd paragraph (... example was misapplied, they didn't [b]try[/b] hard enough...)

Chapter 69.1. Ethnic and linguistic purity in Malaya and Vietnam
- 2nd paragraph in large quote (... draw support from a rural population who [b]were[/b] from the...) ?

Chapter 70.4. Lyndon Johnson's 'limited war' escalation
- 2nd paragraph (... torpedo boat attack against [s]in[/s] an American vessell...)
- 2nd last paragraph (... talked of nothing else [b]by / but[/b] the "generational gap" in...) ?
- last paragraph (... and so were able [b]to politically[/b] force Johnson... ) ?

Chapter 70.5. Tet Offensive, Jan 1968
- 2nd last paragraph (... disaster for the Communists. [b]T[/b]he southern communists ...)

Chapter 71.3. American policy mistakes in Vietnam
- first paragraph (... chapter in reference to Vietnam myths that have [b]been[/b] advocated...)
- 5th paragraph after bullet points (... people traveled to [b]Washing[/b] for the March...) ?

Chapter 75.2. Pol Pot's Killing Fields
- first paragraph (... four top mass genocides of the 20th century[b].[/b] The Buddhist...)
- second paragraph (Pol Pot [b]attempted attempts[/b] to create ...)

Chapter 75.3. War between Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge
- 2nd last paragraph (... with the Soviet Union (USSR)[b],[/b] China reacted...)

Chapter 75.4. Cambodia invades Vietnam
- 2nd paragraph (... there were a series of short but decisive wars [s]were[/s] waged with ...)

Chapter 75.5. Hanoi attacks the Chinese population in Vietnam
- (... south, leading many of them [b]to[/b] join the Vietnamese Boat People...)

Chapter 75.7. History of China and Russia wars and border conflicts
- 6th paragraph (... comparison that just as the [b]UK[/b] was forced to return...)
- 4th last paragraph (... March 2, 1969, when [b]a a[/b] Chinese ...)

Chapter 75.8. Vietnam invades Cambodia
- first paragraph (... border incusions with [s]a[/s] full-scale counter-attack[s]s[/s] into ...) ?

Chapter 75.10. Le Duan dies and Vietnam opens
- (.. brings us [b]full circle to full circle[/b] to the beginning ...)
John wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:58 pm
** 14-Feb-2021 World View: More corrections
Thanks for your latest corrections. They've been incorporated into
the online text. I really appreciate the thorough job you're doing.

I've checked out the web site (https://jkrishnamurti.org/). It seems
like an interesting philosophy, different from anything else I've
seen.
You're very welcome. I thoroughly enjoyed it (in that Greek tragedy sort of way) as you can
probably tell by how fast I finished :)

I was wondering if you were planning to include a generational historical breakdown of Vietnam,
the same way that a breakdown for the history of Myanmar (Burma) was presented? I'm sure all
the information is available in the book, but not sure if there's a place that summarizes the
generational theory periods and their historical significance.

Thanks

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The thing about John is that he has been forecasting economic collapse and war for 15 years, and always says his predictions are "tracking" true. He doesn't know whether the Depression or War will come first, but that whichever, the one will trigger the other within a few months. If it is Depression he seems to believe it will start with a stock market collapse worse than 1929, and the Dow will quickly lose 90% of its value.
Meanwhile, the 99% are living in virtual Depression or on government largess (like me) and the Dow is at record territory.
I was persuaded by him back in the day, but I am getting more skeptical. Still, he has a good viewpoint.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

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Tom Mazanec wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:58 pm
The thing about John is that he has been forecasting economic collapse and war for 15 years, and always says his predictions are "tracking" true. He doesn't know whether the Depression or War will come first, but that whichever, the one will trigger the other within a few months. If it is Depression he seems to believe it will start with a stock market collapse worse than 1929, and the Dow will quickly lose 90% of its value.
Meanwhile, the 99% are living in virtual Depression or on government largess (like me) and the Dow is at record territory.
I was persuaded by him back in the day, but I am getting more skeptical. Still, he has a good viewpoint.
I am no self appointed financial expert, but I suspect coming off the gold standard shifted how macro economics worked as much as nukes, insurgent war and proxy war effected conflict. It may be another case of looking at old Industrial Age patterns skeptically, of needing to see if they still hold.

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Tom Mazanec wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:58 pm
The thing about John is that he has been forecasting economic collapse and war for 15 years, and always says his predictions are "tracking" true. He doesn't know whether the Depression or War will come first, but that whichever, the one will trigger the other within a few months. If it is Depression he seems to believe it will start with a stock market collapse worse than 1929, and the Dow will quickly lose 90% of its value.
Meanwhile, the 99% are living in virtual Depression or on government largess (like me) and the Dow is at record territory.
I was persuaded by him back in the day, but I am getting more skeptical. Still, he has a good viewpoint.
Money printer go Brr, stonks only go up - the mantra of the day

Nothing will burst as long as the fed babysits the market and continues to inflate it. It will take one party deciding to end it (we know it won’t be Democrats, they have to prove they’re better than Trump and live free money), or it will be an external crises (war).

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