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Turkey and Albania are very different from the Arab world.

This is from Pakistan, which is not Arab, but has similar values:

A 2011 report claims 80% of women in Pakistan suffer from domestic abuse.[89] A 2004 study claimed 50% of the women in Pakistan are physically battered and 90% are mentally and verbally abused by their men,[90] while other reports claim domestic violence rates between 70% and over 95% in Pakistan.[91][92] Earlier studies from 1970s to 1990s suggest similar incidence rates of domestic violence in Pakistan.[93][94][95] In Pakistan, domestic violence occurs in forms of beatings, sexual violence, torture, mutilation, acid attacks and burning the victim alive (bride burning).[96]
According to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences in 2002, over 90% of married Pakistani women surveyed reported being kicked, slapped, beaten or sexually abused by their husbands and in-laws.[97] Over 90% of Pakistani women consider domestic violence as a norm of every woman's married life.[98]

Between 1998 and 2003 there were more than 2,666 women killed in honor killings by a family member.[71]

[Tom Mazanec]

Sodomization of young boys is common.

I know of a church in West where that happens A LOT.

Just saying.

If you mean the RCC, that is only because:
1) It has more than a billion members, so if 99.9999% do not sodomize that one in a million is over a thousand, and
2) Because the mainstream media headlines every such occasion while putting Protestant/Atheist/Jewish/etc examples on page B-4 or thirty seconds at quarter past the hour.

[Navigator]

This has to be one of the most ignorant spews I have ever read. No wonder Americans made such a mess in the Middle East. In 1999, the ME was at least stable, now it is a collection of imploded and non-existent states like Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Lebanon. America has had its hands or that of its proxies in all of these disasters, and still, having failed to learn your lesson, you continue to destroy everything you touch.

Unless, of course, this is all going to plan? Is that it? Is destroying the Middle East completely just a plan of the United States?

And then you leave Europe to take care of your messes? It's Europe that has been destroyed. There is no way back for us. America has totally destroyed Western Europe. I blame you, all of you.

The problem with people like "Navigator", now hear me out, is that they look at real life through a Protestant Biblical lens which is distorted and false. Secular government is best because of religious extremists like "Navigator", and yes, you are an extremist. This is why Europe has abandoned religion and opted for secular government. "Navigator" is a poster boy for secular government.

Europe is about to be hit by another tidal wave of refugees. It's time Europe put them on planes to America and Canada. It won't save Europe, but it will spread America's joy...

Ignorant? Look at your own post:
"America totally destroyed Western Europe" - ??? How about we saved it twice and rebuilt it once, eliminating German Militarism in the process. You're welcome Europe. Then it protected it for decades from the USSR at its own cost. Again, you're welcome Europe.

But then you show how thankful you are. But obviously you didn't live thru any of that, so for you, its not important.

"America destroyed the Middle East":
Lebanon - Civil War for 20 years - America tries to protect people, takes casualties, and then leaves. Still a fractured mess of a failed state as Christian minority and factionalized Islamists battle each other for power.
Syria - Civil War after decades of the Assad dictatorship - America allows Russians to engage (thank Obama), and it gets even worse. America currently trying to protect Kurds
Egypt - Muslim uprising puts Muslim Brotherhood in power. Popular revolt outs them and installs military dictatorship. American involvement nil.
Libya - Civil War, population begs for intervention to stop Khadafi, NATO primarily responds, then pulls out. Still civil war.
Iraq - America invades to take out Sadam Hussein and his cronies. Then tries to set up democratic institutions and build infrastructure. Arabs don't like this and start shooting at Americans. We would have left in months if Iraq had gone democratic and factions would have held off killing each other for a while.
Kuwait - America saved them from Iraqi invasion/occupation. Love Americans.
Saudi and Gulf States - Happy to do business with Americans, so long as it benefits them.
Iran - America involved in supporting Shah. Islamic revolution ousts him. Things get much much worse for Iranians.

BTW, I am a supporter of the US Constitution and fervently believe a secular government with freedom of religion is best. Religion should always be personal choice and never forced.

Europe abandoned religion due to materialism. Europe ruined itself through socialism.

America is the one power that has tried to make the world a better place rather than conquering it.

[Navigator]

The major difference between the West and Arab cultures is the concept of choice. All of the ills in the West you list are the result of people making bad choices (transgenderism, liberal indoctrination, abortion, drug use). In Arab culture it is the lack of choice. You do as you are told by someone in power over you (tribal leader, father, even older brother), or you are physically abused or worse.

Here is what a young, intelligent Muslim woman living in the West wrote on Reddit:

Idk what to do anymore. I’m 22, the eldest daughter of strict Arab Muslim parents with many kids. My dad loves me but he’s toxic and sometimes abusive/ violent. He has supported me financially throughout college, and even now while I’m finding my feet at my residency.
However he is very traditional and I have had to fight and beg and cry for every ounce of freedom I have. At 16 it was to go for coffee with my friend, at 17 it was makeup and wearing pants instead of skirts (got called a whore several times lol), at 18 it was to move out for college, and at 23 it was to not move back home after college. He’s so controlling but I know it’s because of his trauma and PTSD and anxiety from the wars he witnessed but I’m tired of fighting. I can’t deal with the tantrums and meltdowns and screaming and threats and name calling and abuse and paranoia. I just want to be able to go out and be myself without being afraid.
At college I finally came out of my shell, I took off the hijab, I experimented with my style, I built up my confidence, I went outside and actually explored my city and met people instead of being isolated studying in my room 24/7, I built up my personality, I got to know MYSELF outside of being a 2 dimensional symbol of Islam. I’m not ready to give it up. I’m also too old to be living a double life bruh
I just feel so alone idk what to do on one hand I want to move far away and not tell anyone my address but I don’t want to hurt my family esp my mother cos she’s sick and has heart problems and I love her so much and I know she’ll get abuse for it when she’s sacrificed so much for me. I know I’ll get cut off from my siblings and I’m scared for my younger sisters I don’t want to fuck them over. I know my father will try to find me or kill me - he’s said he would do anything to protect his children even if it means killing them.
And I just can’t stop think about this 24/7, but then I’ll call my dad and he tells me I’m the best daughter in the world and he loves me and asks if I need anything and sends me money and buys me whatever I want and I feel like I’m being crazy and making it all up. Maybe I should just be honest with him, maybe he’ll understand.
On the other hand I’m like maybe being/ acting Muslim is the sacrifice I need to make to keep my family, to keep my mother who I love and would miss dearly, to keep my father happy, to be able to speak to my siblings, to be able to visit my home country and see my grandparents before they die, to get married to someone who my family approves of so they’ll be at my wedding. Is the freedom really worth losing everything? I don’t know anymore. I’m scared.

My mother knows, she caught me at work one time. She freaked out but I think she’s more scared for my safety than anything. At first it was difficult and she kept randomly video calling me, turning up at my dorm unannounced with my aunt and uncle, saying I’ve lost my value. But eventually she calmed down but I still felt bad because she’d ask me to start wearing hijab again and beg me to pray and tells me she loves me. She keeps telling me to get married and I’ll be free but I don’t want to get married, I don’t want kids and I don’t want to end up like her I literally have a fear of men at this point.
My brothers are both younger than me but in their 20s and both religious. One of them got married to a girl from back home. Neither of them have to deal with what I have to deal with. My dad never beat me growing up but he beat them, one of them got it the worst it was brutal he was gagged and bound and beaten with a belt, he was hit with a knife, with a frying pan until it bent out of shape, kicked out to the streets and was homeless for months. Now he’s back to college and he has a good relationship with my dad despite having brought police to the house, been arrested multiple times and involved in criminal activities.
I try to talk to him but he throws it in my face that he’s been through worse than me. He doesn’t understand that yes he went through worse than me but he can travel anywhere with his friends, he can go anywhere he wants any time he wants and no one will ask him where are you going. He has had countless relationships and lost count of his body count but tells me not to embarrass him by getting a boyfriend or he’ll kill him. It’s the hypocrisy for me. If I want to see my friend who I haven’t seen in literal months it’s “where are you going? Don’t go to her house. How long? When you coming back? What are you doing? Do you have to go? Why don’t you go with your family instead?”. My dad said if I had even done 1% of what my brother has he’d kill himself. Yet his phone is full of porn and random women my age.
My dad literally moved in with me when I started my residency despite me making it clear I didn’t want that (which made him mad and he accused me of hiding something and threatened to beat me and check my phone). Then when I almost kms he finally agreed to leave and he cried and I felt bad. But then I had to text my location every day and if I missed a day he’d call my workplace and lecture me. And when I try to explain this to my brothers they’re just like “yeah that sucks” and “stop acting weird” and “when they die you’ll regret this” and that’s it. My mother just says “it’s not control we love you and care about you”.
I wish I was white tbh fuck this backwards culture

This seems to be typical of 1st generation emigrees in the West. It points at what family life is like in the Arab world.

That you had to search Reddit for stories about Muslim families shows just how little to none exposure you have had to Muslim families.

I am Christian, and I have have lived in several Muslim countries, actually lived and worked there. I personally know over a hundred people that have done the same.

I don't know where to begin with all of this...

I know America families that have controlling fathers like this. The hijab thing is uniquely Muslim, but I went to high school (I'm American BTW) with several black girls who were not allowed to wear pants because it wasn't Biblical based or something like that. I knew one girl well for three years and one day I asked her why not just wear shorts (it was senior privilege at my HS in the 80s) and she said she would never be allowed to do that. When I joked and said what would your parents do, beat you? And she yes they would, and she wasn't joking.

I'm Christian, and no one in my family has every heard anything like that. Most black kids that I went to school with her cynical about the black church, but they girls were expected to follow the rules, more so than their brothers. I didn't look to much into that. I just thought it was weird. These girls were not from Africa, they were Americans.

Go to Latin America, where are the good girls? At home with their parents. That is entirely different world. I've lived there too.

I used to work (and still do a little) in the airline industry. I know dozens of former flight attendants. The best place to work in the world is the Persian gulf (or the Arab gulf, take your pick). Not a single young women I knew had a bad story to tell me about life in the UAE or Qatar, or Oman. None of them were ever groped or raped or humiliated by the Muslim Arabs in those countries. The only horror stories they had were with dealing with passengers from Eastern Europe! One extremely beautiful girl used to work in First Class and met some of the Arab elites and said that they were either quiet or really humble, modest, and polite. That girl worked their for 7 years and came home because her parents missed her. She came back with loads of cash and happy memories. Another girl I know (and still know) worked in _____ and said that the airline was good to her BUT that the cabin crew standards were so high that the stress finally got to her and she left. But no one ever sexually assaulted or groped her.

I know engineers (I have worked for E&Cs) and they have been extremely well paid and treated in the Muslim world. No problems.

And the list goes on.

Draw backs? Yeah, you can't get drunk and high and avoid being arrested. You can't yell and scream at people, you can be arrested for that. You have to behave yourself in public. Oh, the horror!

I have always been treated like an honored guest when I live and work in these places.

You have EXTREMELY LIMITED EXPERIENCE in the Arab and/or Muslim world! It is obvious. You have to search Reddit for stories? Because you don't have any of your own.

I lived with a Muslim family for half a year and they practically adopted me (this was back in the late 90s). The women were not beaten or abused when I was there. Not even yelled at. Yes, when OLDER men came over, the women veiled and stayed away, unless they were serving coffee. I remember them in hijab and sitting in chairs against the wall when elderly outsiders came to visit, but that's it. Young men had to behave well too.

The Reddit post was a dumb move. It shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

I have a lot more that I could say on this, but I am tired of it.

I'll say this: I never worried about crime in these countries. The Muslims weren't stealing anything. And when I, ME, when I visited other Muslim homes, the women talked with me. I was young man at the time, maybe that made a difference?

Here is my background:
American, but lived outside the Americas for close to 5 years total.
30 years military experience, including on the ground in the Middle East. Retired as a Full Colonel. Worked in Combat Arms, Military Intelligence, and Logistics.
Electrical Engineer with Graduate Degree, have years of multinational work experience, especially Asia and Europe.
Speak 3 languages, and another extreme dialect that it might as well be another language (as a result of living overseas).

I guess my military experience in the Middle East doesn't count.

The difference between our experiences is that yours was probably limited to educated pro-Western people who spoke English. Mine was dealing with "average joes" who I most often had to talk to through interpreters. I also got lots of feedback/intel from my soldiers and peers who were dealing with ever widening groups of people and tribal leaders. Plus I mentioned my own interaction with Arab officers, many of whom were frank with me about how things really are in their society.

The educated pro-Western people are, in fact, as you describe them. They are, unfortunately, a distinct minority.

Americans who work in the Middle East are very much protected by the companies that they work for. They will have no problems so long as that company and that country wants them there (and thus protects them). Watch what happens when that protection is taken away, or if the government/company loses the ability to protect them.

What you describe is not much different from Americans who lived in Lebanon in the 1970 and early 80s who thought it was a wonderful and peaceful place. No doubt that was the case in their social circles. Then the place descended into sectarian violence, and the protection was gone, and a whole bunch of them were subjected to vile treatment at the hands of the same kind of extremists now in control of Gaza. This can happen very quickly anywhere in the Middle East.

I picked the Reddit story as it was a good heartfelt story that I could find in less than a minute. In microcosm it shows what life is like in the average Arab family.

You may not believe the young woman's story, maybe it is made up. One that isn't is one that I posted a link to previously. This is not only a real person, he is the SON of the FOUNDER of HAMAS. See what he has to say about Arab culture, Hamas, and what is going on in the Middle East. How can you refute his experience?

It will cost you $2 and take 90 min to watch it. Do so and then we can discuss. I urge everyone to watch it.
Here is the link to the preview (which will give you the buy/rent option):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=613oA4B4k3I

[Guest]

Turkey and Albania are very different from the Arab world.

This is from Pakistan, which is not Arab, but has similar values:

A 2011 report claims 80% of women in Pakistan suffer from domestic abuse.[89] A 2004 study claimed 50% of the women in Pakistan are physically battered and 90% are mentally and verbally abused by their men,[90] while other reports claim domestic violence rates between 70% and over 95% in Pakistan.[91][92] Earlier studies from 1970s to 1990s suggest similar incidence rates of domestic violence in Pakistan.[93][94][95] In Pakistan, domestic violence occurs in forms of beatings, sexual violence, torture, mutilation, acid attacks and burning the victim alive (bride burning).[96]
According to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences in 2002, over 90% of married Pakistani women surveyed reported being kicked, slapped, beaten or sexually abused by their husbands and in-laws.[97] Over 90% of Pakistani women consider domestic violence as a norm of every woman's married life.[98]

Between 1998 and 2003 there were more than 2,666 women killed in honor killings by a family member.[71]

Same could be said about India or El Salvador. Domestic violence is everywhere, not just in the Middle East. so cut the crap. You're worse than Fox News.

[Guest]

This has to be one of the most ignorant spews I have ever read. No wonder Americans made such a mess in the Middle East. In 1999, the ME was at least stable, now it is a collection of imploded and non-existent states like Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Lebanon. America has had its hands or that of its proxies in all of these disasters, and still, having failed to learn your lesson, you continue to destroy everything you touch.

Unless, of course, this is all going to plan? Is that it? Is destroying the Middle East completely just a plan of the United States?

And then you leave Europe to take care of your messes? It's Europe that has been destroyed. There is no way back for us. America has totally destroyed Western Europe. I blame you, all of you.

The problem with people like "Navigator", now hear me out, is that they look at real life through a Protestant Biblical lens which is distorted and false. Secular government is best because of religious extremists like "Navigator", and yes, you are an extremist. This is why Europe has abandoned religion and opted for secular government. "Navigator" is a poster boy for secular government.

Europe is about to be hit by another tidal wave of refugees. It's time Europe put them on planes to America and Canada. It won't save Europe, but it will spread America's joy...

Ignorant? Look at your own post:
"America totally destroyed Western Europe" - ??? How about we saved it twice and rebuilt it once, eliminating German Militarism in the process. You're welcome Europe. Then it protected it for decades from the USSR at its own cost. Again, you're welcome Europe.

But then you show how thankful you are. But obviously you didn't live thru any of that, so for you, its not important.

"America destroyed the Middle East":
Lebanon - Civil War for 20 years - America tries to protect people, takes casualties, and then leaves. Still a fractured mess of a failed state as Christian minority and factionalized Islamists battle each other for power.
Syria - Civil War after decades of the Assad dictatorship - America allows Russians to engage (thank Obama), and it gets even worse. America currently trying to protect Kurds
Egypt - Muslim uprising puts Muslim Brotherhood in power. Popular revolt outs them and installs military dictatorship. American involvement nil.
Libya - Civil War, population begs for intervention to stop Khadafi, NATO primarily responds, then pulls out. Still civil war.
Iraq - America invades to take out Sadam Hussein and his cronies. Then tries to set up democratic institutions and build infrastructure. Arabs don't like this and start shooting at Americans. We would have left in months if Iraq had gone democratic and factions would have held off killing each other for a while.
Kuwait - America saved them from Iraqi invasion/occupation. Love Americans.
Saudi and Gulf States - Happy to do business with Americans, so long as it benefits them.
Iran - America involved in supporting Shah. Islamic revolution ousts him. Things get much much worse for Iranians.

BTW, I am a supporter of the US Constitution and fervently believe a secular government with freedom of religion is best. Religion should always be personal choice and never forced.

Europe abandoned religion due to materialism. Europe ruined itself through socialism.

America is the one power that has tried to make the world a better place rather than conquering it.

Your view of the Middle East is one-sided. Your view of everything is one-sided.

America is the one power that has tried to make the world a better place rather than conquering it.

Only because we failed to conquer it. Your historical review of the Muslim world is right out of Bill O' Reilly's mouth. You have not learned anything from the past.

I met average people every day, not just the elites. Once again, you reveal your severe limits to the culture. Do you think it is possible not to meet average people living in these places? No wonder we lost the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[In Asia now]

Ignorant? Look at your own post:
"America totally destroyed Western Europe" - ??? How about we saved it twice and rebuilt it once, eliminating German Militarism in the process. You're welcome Europe. Then it protected it for decades from the USSR at its own cost. Again, you're welcome Europe.

But then you show how thankful you are. But obviously you didn't live thru any of that, so for you, its not important.

"America destroyed the Middle East":
Lebanon - Civil War for 20 years - America tries to protect people, takes casualties, and then leaves. Still a fractured mess of a failed state as Christian minority and factionalized Islamists battle each other for power.
Syria - Civil War after decades of the Assad dictatorship - America allows Russians to engage (thank Obama), and it gets even worse. America currently trying to protect Kurds
Egypt - Muslim uprising puts Muslim Brotherhood in power. Popular revolt outs them and installs military dictatorship. American involvement nil.
Libya - Civil War, population begs for intervention to stop Khadafi, NATO primarily responds, then pulls out. Still civil war.
Iraq - America invades to take out Sadam Hussein and his cronies. Then tries to set up democratic institutions and build infrastructure. Arabs don't like this and start shooting at Americans. We would have left in months if Iraq had gone democratic and factions would have held off killing each other for a while.
Kuwait - America saved them from Iraqi invasion/occupation. Love Americans.
Saudi and Gulf States - Happy to do business with Americans, so long as it benefits them.
Iran - America involved in supporting Shah. Islamic revolution ousts him. Things get much much worse for Iranians.

BTW, I am a supporter of the US Constitution and fervently believe a secular government with freedom of religion is best. Religion should always be personal choice and never forced.

Europe abandoned religion due to materialism. Europe ruined itself through socialism.

America is the one power that has tried to make the world a better place rather than conquering it.

This is simplistic. Disingenuous. America's record is mixed. There is too much spin and ignorance in this post. The average Arab views the West as crusaders; a negative term in the Arab word, and a word that George Bush used too often, and, as America's actions proved, just as terrible for Arabs as the Crusades over a thousand years ago. Yes, Americans do think highly of themselves, but many people in the world do not.

But then you show how thankful you are. But obviously you didn't live thru any of that, so for you, its not important.

Once again, you have never lived through being occupied by a foreign power, but you act as if you have. Your hypocrisy shows. While Arabs have suffered torture and death and loss because of American soldiers, yet, you blame Arabs for rebelling.

Americans gave Iraqis many freedoms: the freedom to be tortured, to be raped, to robbed, to murdered...

Please look in the mirror and try, just once, to put yourself in the Arab situation.

And finally, what has been America's ultimate mark on the Arab world?

Israel. America was the driving force behind its creation and survival, all at the expense of the Arabs. The Arabs suffer to this day, and you refuse to even acknowledge that they are a real people ("Palestinians" in quotations is an insult, and you know it. Or maybe you don't. You are not nearly as insightful as you pretend, or believe yourself to be.)

I have a lot of military officers and statesmen in my family, but these men were modest men, not arrogant Americans like yourself. You are one of the Ugly Americans.

Now, go back to Google and see if you can find any evidence to support your supposedly real-life experiences in the Arab world.

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Navigator post:

This is from Pakistan, which is not Arab, but has similar values:

A 2011 report claims 80% of women in Pakistan suffer from domestic abuse.[89] A 2004 study claimed 50% of the women in Pakistan are physically battered and 90% are mentally and verbally abused by their men,[90] while other reports claim domestic violence rates between 70% and over 95% in Pakistan.[91][92] Earlier studies from 1970s to 1990s suggest similar incidence rates of domestic violence in Pakistan.[93][94][95] In Pakistan, domestic violence occurs in forms of beatings, sexual violence, torture, mutilation, acid attacks and burning the victim alive (bride burning).[96]
According to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences in 2002, over 90% of married Pakistani women surveyed reported being kicked, slapped, beaten or sexually abused by their husbands and in-laws.[97] Over 90% of Pakistani women consider domestic violence as a norm of every woman's married life.[98]

In American it's one third. Officially.

And the worst places for domestic violence are not in the Arab world.

estimated lifetime prevalence of physical or sexual, or both, intimate partner violence among ever-partnered women aged 15–49 years (the age range for which there is the most data on intimate partner violence) was the highest in Oceania (49%; UI 38–61%) and central sub-Saharan Africa (44%; 33–55%), followed by Andean Latin America (38%; 31–46%) and eastern sub-Saharan Africa (38%; 31–44%;

The women in Papua New Guinea and Australia, the aboriginal places have it the worst, followed by black Africans, and the South Americans. How many Arab Muslims are living in PNG?

Between 1998 and 2003 there were more than 2,666 women killed in honor killings by a family member.[71]

Population of Pakistan: 241.49 million

What country has the highest rate of femicide?
Honduras
Of these countries, the highest rates of femicide or feminicide were registered in Honduras (4.6 cases per 100,000 women), the Dominican Republic (2.7 cases per 100,000 women) and El Salvador (2.4 cases per 100,000 women ).

I lived there. Women are treated as property. How many Arab or Pakistani Muslims live in these countries? Your "facts" are falling apart. Arabs and Pakistanis, Muslims, are not the worst offenders. Not at all. Blacks, aboriginals, and Latinos have them by a thousand miles. THIS is what happens when you spend a couple of weeks on an air conditioned American airbase in a far away land: you think you know everything. Been there, done that.

Wrong. DEAD WRONG. Ask the Iraqis how that worked out.

India's Hindu dowry murder rates is much higher, and grossly under reported.

The average number of annual murders during 2012-16 was 32,839, which fell to 29,010 during 2017-21. Similarly, the average annual dowry deaths fell from 8,005 to 7,093 in the same period. It’s noteworthy that Uttar Pradesh and Bihar ranked highest in terms of dowry deaths in India in 2021. UP (2,222 deaths) and Bihar (1,000 deaths) together accounted for nearly half (48 per cent) of the total dowry deaths in the country.

But, alas, the murder rate is declining. I wonder if it has anything to do with the steep decline in Hindu girls due to Hindu baby girls being aborted by the millions?

Between 1998 and 2003, 2666 Muslim Pakistanis murdered and in one year alone in magical Hindu India, 32,893 Hindu girls were murdered (often burned alive) in dowry murders.

Hmmm....

Navigator's attempted torching of the Muslim Arab world is shown to be made up of stories trolled from Reddit and cherry picked statistics which is right out of the Pentagon's handbook. This is despicable behavior. Your attempt to smear entire races of people that you have had almost zero contact with has been shown to be a distoration. Shame.

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I picked the Reddit story as it was a good heartfelt story that I could find in less than a minute. In microcosm it shows what life is like in the average Arab family.

Let's turn the lens onto your Mormon faith, shall we?

The Mormon Church Has A Domestic Violence Problem
LDS culture and theology creates an environment where abusers can thrive.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion ... 06752087ae

And from Reddit:

I experienced marital rape because I was raised as a Mormon girl. I was taught that women have to earn the fidelity of a husband and OWE him sex. She is responsible for fulfilling his sexual desires.

Navigator post:

I picked the Reddit story as it was a good heartfelt story that I could find in less than a minute

Me, too. I only had a minute to look...

[Go away]

More than 30% of American women are victims of domestic violence. That stat is a lie. Statistics are generally lies. Government agencies post stats online which denigrate their enemies. Whatever numbers people post are suspect.

The real point should be that women are mistreated everywhere. My late American mother was beaten by my father. It was horrible. Don't tell me that if she had been Arab it would have been worse. I don't want to hear it.

I can show you statistics which contradict each other all day. It means nothing.

Please leave women out of this. No group should be throwing stones.

I don't like it when one group of men says " We don't beat and rape our women as much as you do."