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** 23-Oct-2019 World View: Another confused person: Bill Gates

I used to think that Bill Gates was smart. Well, he's the second
richest person in the world, so I guess he is pretty smart, a lot
smarter than I am.

But I just saw a half-hour interview with him, and he said some really
dumb things.

-- Climate change: He said that there will be a massive world wide
effort to fix climate change. Is he really so dumb that he thinks
that will actually happen? Oh, and he said that Trump will have to go
first. He kept talking about what will happen in 10, 20, 30, 40
years, and the thought of a war apparently never entered his mind.
Maybe he even believes the fantasy that the world will end if climate
change isn't fixed in 11 years, as AOC says.

-- Child mortality: He talked about how deaths from childhood diseases
are being cut in half. Does he really not realize that cutting child
mortality just creates a lot more cannon fodder for the next war?

So I suppose if you're the second richest person in the world, you can
live in whatever fantasy world you want.

Hmmmm. I wonder if he takes jet planes? I wonder if his mansion has
a bunker for surviving a war? Enquiring minds want to know.

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John wrote:** 23-Oct-2019 World View: Another confused person: Bill Gates

I used to think that Bill Gates was smart. Well, he's the second
richest person in the world, so I guess he is pretty smart, a lot
smarter than I am.

But I just saw a half-hour interview with him, and he said some really
dumb things.

-- Climate change: He said that there will be a massive world wide
effort to fix climate change. Is he really so dumb that he thinks
that will actually happen? Oh, and he said that Trump will have to go
first. He kept talking about what will happen in 10, 20, 30, 40
years, and the thought of a war apparently never entered his mind.
Maybe he even believes the fantasy that the world will end if climate
change isn't fixed in 11 years, as AOC says.

-- Child mortality: He talked about how deaths from childhood diseases
are being cut in half. Does he really not realize that cutting child
mortality just creates a lot more cannon fodder for the next war?

So I suppose if you're the second richest person in the world, you can
live in whatever fantasy world you want.

Hmmmm. I wonder if he takes jet planes? I wonder if his mansion has
a bunker for surviving a war? Enquiring minds want to know.
Among other attributes, to be a wildly successful entrepreneur it helps a lot to be super smart and super, super optimistic. Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos are both super smart and super, super optimistic. But being overly optimistic never helps when attempting realistic analysis applied to complex societal problems.
Dreaming big isn’t something Jeff Bezos has a problem with.

And true to form, the multi-billionaire’s vision for the world that his great-grandchildren’s great-grandchildren will live in is pretty wild to imagine.

The Amazon and Blue Origin boss says a trillion people will live in space, there will be “a thousand Einsteins and a thousand Mozarts” and we’ll develop other planets, leaving Earth a beautiful place to be.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/01/jeff-be ... space.html
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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Dreaming big isn’t something Jeff Bezos has a problem with.
He already considers himself to be a god. And we are just his toys to play with, break, and throwaway.
And true to form, the multi-billionaire’s vision for the world that his great-grandchildren’s great-grandchildren will live in is pretty wild to imagine.

Not hard to imagine if you have read 1984 or seen Fritz Lang's Metropolis.
The Amazon and Blue Origin boss says a trillion people will live in space, there will be “a thousand Einsteins and a thousand Mozarts” and we’ll develop other planets, leaving Earth a beautiful place to be.
And he will enslave humanity and rule over us all with a whip hand.

No, I can't stay I'm jazzed about the future at all. As a combat veteran of two wars (infantry), I do not fear war and death as much as a life of slavery.

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John,
I called this a few years ago, when I was in uniform. I said this happened in the past in other areas of the globe and it will happen again. These people have memories that go back generations and they will settle scores, real or imagined. I hate to say there will be ethnic massacres and with ISIS holed up they will fight to the death and their message will be perversely glorified.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-w ... story.html

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** 24-Oct-2019 World View: Great Man Theory
Higgenbotham wrote: > Among other attributes, to be a wildly successful entrepreneur it
> helps a lot to be super smart and super, super optimistic. Bill
> Gates and Jeff Bezos are both super smart and super, super
> optimistic. But being overly optimistic never helps when
> attempting realistic analysis applied to complex societal
> problems.

> https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/01/jeff-be ... space.html
I've been thinking a lot lately about the "Great Man Theory of
History," which says that great historical events occur because they
are brought about by great leaders, and further that these leaders are
born with these leadership skills (as opposed to learning them through
life experience). The theory was advanced by 19th century historian
Thomas Carlyle, and has been adopted since then by many historians,
who write histories as a series of stories told through great leaders.

So, for example, this theory might claim that Adolf Hitler was born as
a great leader who caused World War II and the Holocaust, and Winston
Churchill was born as a great leader who save the world from Hitler.

It's hard to overstate how thoroughly Generational Dynamics rejects
this theory. WW II and something like the Holocaust would have
occurred with or without Hitler, and the world would have been saved
from Hitler with or without Churchill.

However, there is a part of the Great Man Theory which is true -- that
politicians who are born with great visionary and leadership skills
self-select themselves to become the leaders to implement things that
are going to happen anyway.

So applying this, Hitler was a great visionary and born with great
leadership skills foresaw that public opinion was turning towards
genocide of Jews (a trend that Hannah Arendt documented in her 1950
book The Origins of Totalitarianism), and decided to implement
the genocide through the Holocaust. It's easier to make the argument
that Churchill was in the right place at the right time, and someone
else would have defeated Hitler without Churchill.

Many of Barack Obama's supporters believed that he was a Great Man who
would "heal the world" and remake society through his policies from
gun control to curing global warming. But in the end all his policies
failed. He couldn't even get the "simplest" of his policies
implemented -- closing Guantánamo prison. So what went wrong? Obama
was clearly born with exceptional leadership skills and great vision,
but he was stopped because his policies were opposed by huge masses of
people and generations.

Now look at Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward. He was also born with
exceptional leadership skills and great vision, and he used those
skills to implement the Great Leap Forward which was the stupidest
agricultural and economic policy of any nation in the history of the
world, and resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of Chinese
through torture, executions and starvation. So what went "right" for
Mao's policies that let them be implemented? Mao was clearly born
with exceptional leadership skills and great vision, but he could not
be stopped because he was dictator, in control of the army, and able
to torture, jail and kill anyone who opposed him, a privilege that was
never afforded to Obama.

Donald Trump is often called a "dictator," but he's the same as Obama
in that all his policies are constantly being challenged, whether by
the courts or Congress or agencies.

So Mao Zedong, Barack Obama and Donald Trump are similar in that they
all had exceptional leadership skills and great vision, but the
difference is that Obama and Trump could be stopped, while Mao could
not be stopped.

And now, of course, China has a new dictator, Xi Jinping, who also has
exceptional leadership skills and great vision, and who is a dictator
who cannot be stopped, and he's going to bring disaster not only to
China but to the entire world. The interesting observation about
dictators is that they're as stupid as you and me, but they have no
one to challenge their stupidity, with disastrous results.

In an interview in 2014, Obama admitted failure: "I just wanted to add
one thing to that business about the Great Man Theory Of History. The
President of the United States cannot remake our society, and that’s
probably a good thing. Not probably. It’s definitely a good thing."

And of course the reason that it's a good thing is that even Great
Men make stupid mistakes.

So now let's circle back around to your point about Jeff Bezos and
Bill Gates, and their being "overly optimistic."

The "Great Man Theory" could apply equally well to government
leadership and business leadership, and Great Men in this category
self-select themselves to build successful businesses. So Jeff Bezos
and Bill Gates both have exceptional leadership skills and great
vision, and they built Amazon and Microsoft with those skills.

In many ways, a business leader is like a government dictator, because
a business leader often has dictatorial powers within his own company.
Using those skills, he can push the company to disaster (as is
happening with WeWork, and may be happening with Tesla), or he can
push his business to major success.

So business leaders and government leaders who are "overly optimistic"
might be very successful, but they might be stopped by the people,
one way or another.

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** 24-Oct-2019 World View: Ethnic massacres in Syria
utahbob wrote: > John, I called this a few years ago, when I was in uniform. I said
> this happened in the past in other areas of the globe and it will
> happen again. These people have memories that go back generations
> and they will settle scores, real or imagined. I hate to say there
> will be ethnic massacres and with ISIS holed up they will fight to
> the death and their message will be perversely glorified.
> https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-w ... story.html
There have been American troops in Syria for ten years. And yet, Bashar
al-Assad has been continuously committing genocide and ethnic cleansing,
using barrel bombs, chlorine gas, Sarin gas and all the rest of it,
millions of Syrians have fled into neighboring countries, including over
a million into Europe, and as you say there are ethnic massacres still
going on.

So what the hell was the point of sending troops in in the first place?
Well, I suppose we had to fight al-Qaeda and ISIS. But is there any
other purpose?

Are we really supposed to keep thousands of troops in Syria because
some Kurdish politicians are trying to gain leverage by referencing
an imaginary American commitment to protect them forever?

These groups have been killing each other for centuries, and will
continue to do so. American troops are not relevant. Why not just
let them kill each other?

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John wrote:** 24-Oct-2019 World View: Great Man Theory
Higgenbotham wrote: > Among other attributes, to be a wildly successful entrepreneur it
> helps a lot to be super smart and super, super optimistic. Bill
> Gates and Jeff Bezos are both super smart and super, super
> optimistic. But being overly optimistic never helps when
> attempting realistic analysis applied to complex societal
> problems.

> https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/01/jeff-be ... space.html
I've been thinking a lot lately about the "Great Man Theory of
History," which says that great historical events occur because they
are brought about by great leaders, and further that these leaders are
born with these leadership skills (as opposed to learning them through
life experience). The theory was advanced by 19th century historian
Thomas Carlyle, and has been adopted since then by many historians,
who write histories as a series of stories told through great leaders.

So, for example, this theory might claim that Adolf Hitler was born as
a great leader who caused World War II and the Holocaust, and Winston
Churchill was born as a great leader who save the world from Hitler.

It's hard to overstate how thoroughly Generational Dynamics rejects
this theory. WW II and something like the Holocaust would have
occurred with or without Hitler, and the world would have been saved
from Hitler with or without Churchill.

However, there is a part of the Great Man Theory which is true -- that
politicians who are born with great visionary and leadership skills
self-select themselves to become the leaders to implement things that
are going to happen anyway.

So applying this, Hitler was a great visionary and born with great
leadership skills foresaw that public opinion was turning towards
genocide of Jews (a trend that Hannah Arendt documented in her 1950
book The Origins of Totalitarianism), and decided to implement
the genocide through the Holocaust. It's easier to make the argument
that Churchill was in the right place at the right time, and someone
else would have defeated Hitler without Churchill.

Many of Barack Obama's supporters believed that he was a Great Man who
would "heal the world" and remake society through his policies from
gun control to curing global warming. But in the end all his policies
failed. He couldn't even get the "simplest" of his policies
implemented -- closing Guantánamo prison. So what went wrong? Obama
was clearly born with exceptional leadership skills and great vision,
but he was stopped because his policies were opposed by huge masses of
people and generations.

Now look at Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward. He was also born with
exceptional leadership skills and great vision, and he used those
skills to implement the Great Leap Forward which was the stupidest
agricultural and economic policy of any nation in the history of the
world, and resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of Chinese
through torture, executions and starvation. So what went "right" for
Mao's policies that let them be implemented? Mao was clearly born
with exceptional leadership skills and great vision, but he could not
be stopped because he was dictator, in control of the army, and able
to torture, jail and kill anyone who opposed him, a privilege that was
never afforded to Obama.

Donald Trump is often called a "dictator," but he's the same as Obama
in that all his policies are constantly being challenged, whether by
the courts or Congress or agencies.

So Mao Zedong, Barack Obama and Donald Trump are similar in that they
all had exceptional leadership skills and great vision, but the
difference is that Obama and Trump could be stopped, while Mao could
not be stopped.

And now, of course, China has a new dictator, Xi Jinping, who also has
exceptional leadership skills and great vision, and who is a dictator
who cannot be stopped, and he's going to bring disaster not only to
China but to the entire world. The interesting observation about
dictators is that they're as stupid as you and me, but they have no
one to challenge their stupidity, with disastrous results.

In an interview in 2014, Obama admitted failure: "I just wanted to add
one thing to that business about the Great Man Theory Of History. The
President of the United States cannot remake our society, and that’s
probably a good thing. Not probably. It’s definitely a good thing."

And of course the reason that it's a good thing is that even Great
Men make stupid mistakes.

So now let's circle back around to your point about Jeff Bezos and
Bill Gates, and their being "overly optimistic."

The "Great Man Theory" could apply equally well to government
leadership and business leadership, and Great Men in this category
self-select themselves to build successful businesses. So Jeff Bezos
and Bill Gates both have exceptional leadership skills and great
vision, and they built Amazon and Microsoft with those skills.

In many ways, a business leader is like a government dictator, because
a business leader often has dictatorial powers within his own company.
Using those skills, he can push the company to disaster (as is
happening with WeWork, and may be happening with Tesla), or he can
push his business to major success.

So business leaders and government leaders who are "overly optimistic"
might be very successful, but they might be stopped by the people,
one way or another.
Obama and Trump Merely demonstrated that boomer political control has become so tyrannical that reform is impossible as long as the boomer has influence. Forcibly get rid of the establishment boomer and political-military reform would occur so swiftly that it would be similar to the german reform of 1933.

By the way globalist, Churchill did not architect the victory against Hitler; FDR and Stalin did.

Regarding Trump, he is potentially extremely vulnerable right now, but he can turn it around to a possible landslide in 2020. Why I state two contradictory things? Because Trump's survival as president largely depends on who the democrats choose to nominate. Trump Can easily Crush warren or hillary, But he is highly likely to lose if the Dems get their heads out of their asses and nominate Tulsi Gabbard or Steve Bullock.

As for WeWork and Tesla, they are both doing well and Tesla is in a major expansion right now, although WeWork Currently is in a leadership conflict at the executive level. Face it John You HATE American business the possibility of Actual LEADERS rising in the government and want the country to fail; the very idea of giving the leeway needed to allow success is anathema to you because you have a paranoid fear that if the Cohorts behind you are given the support and freedom needed for success, they will become tyrants many times worse than Hitler and Stalin. You acknowledge the possible rise of a foreign tyrant in Putin and Xi and the possibility of either of them being "Hitler" but you view that possibilty as a better outcome than Xers and Millies having rights, because their so-called "innocence" would be preserved.
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** 24-Oct-2019 World View: Mike Pence on China calls out NBA and Nike


Image
  • Nike ad in 2018, part of its laughable 'Social Justice
    Leadership' program, showing Colin Kaepernick saying, 'Believe in
    something. Even if it means sacrificing everything.
    Just do it.'



I watched Mike Pence's speech today on China. It was a very harsh
speech, criticizing the entire list of CCP activities that the
West considers to be criminal -- jailing Uighurs, jailing priests,
destroying churches, IP theft, South China Sea crimes, and dozens more.

The speech is sure to catch the CCP's attention and infuriate them,
presumably because an American vassal dared to speak back to the
leaders of the Master Race.

Pence also called out American companies that are kowtowing to
China:
"Some of the NBA's biggest players and owners, who
routinely exercise their freedom to criticize this country, lose
their voices when it comes to the freedom and rights of other
peoples.

In siding with the Chinese Communist Party and silencing free
speech, the NBA is acting like a wholly owned subsidiary of the
authoritarian regime. ...

Nike promotes itself as a so called 'social-justice champion,' but
when it comes to Hong Kong, it prefers checking its social
conscience at the door.

Nike stores in China actually removed their Houston Rockets
merchandise from their shelves to join the Chinese government in
protest against the Rockets general manager's seven-word tweet:
'Fight for Freedom, stand with Hong Kong.' "
The image above is from days when Nike was laughably claiming that it
wasn't just a cheap, pathetic sellout.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/24/vice-pr ... china.html

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Obama and Trump Merely demonstrated that boomer political control has become so tyrannical that reform is impossible as long as the boomer has influence. Forcibly get rid of the establishment boomer and political-military reform would occur so swiftly that it would be similar to the german reform of 1933.

By the way globalist, Churchill did not architect the victory against Hitler; FDR and Stalin did.

Regarding Trump, he is potentially extremely vulnerable right now, but he can turn it around to a possible landslide in 2020. Why I state two contradictory things? Because Trump's survival as president largely depends on who the democrats choose to nominate. Trump Can easily Crush warren or hillary, But he is highly likely to lose if the Dems get their heads out of their asses and nominate Tulsi Gabbard or Steve Bullock.

As for WeWork and Tesla, they are both doing well and Tesla is in a major expansion right now, although WeWork Currently is in a leadership conflict at the executive level. Face it John You HATE American business the possibility of Actual LEADERS rising in the government and want the country to fail; the very idea of giving the leeway needed to allow success is anathema to you because you have a paranoid fear that if the Cohorts behind you are given the support and freedom needed for success, they will become tyrants many times worse than Hitler and Stalin. You acknowledge the possible rise of a foreign tyrant in Putin and Xi and the possibility of either of them being "Hitler" but you view that possibilty as a better outcome than Xers and Millies having rights, because their so-called "innocence" would be preserved.

Regarding China more than half of the things you listed are internal Chinese matters, the NBA had no right to interfere in Chinese internal Affairs. You nonsensically claim that China would never coexists with foreign nations but it coexisted with the Rival USSR during the Cold war with CCP having ruled China then as it does now. Even though China and the soviet Union were enemies at the time.

How a president can being about friendly coexistence with the CCP is simple, make moves that force respect of American power in the CCP. For example let say a new president is inaugurated, he/she warns china that US has the ability to defend its supreme interests and destroy any power who attacks but also he/she advances the olive branch. Let say Xi initially merely laughs as this offer, at the first international conference a few weeks later the president repeats the offer and also asks for Chinese help against NK. China again laughs, a couple weeks after that the president unexpectedly calls a assembly session at the UN and makes a fiery speech at the UN attacking Russia, China and North Korea and saying the US will no longer tolerate this, the presidents does not rule out war but says he/she would hope it will not come to that. He/She then announces that the US has effective immediately Withdrawn from the nuclear Non-proliferation treaty signed in 1968. The next day it is announced the Missile Silos and Subs will now have their own launch codes like they did during the cold war, US nuke Production facilities had already been given mass production orders 1 month earlier. Within a week or so of the UN assembly meeting a 50 kiloton Nuclear device detonates in the pacific ocean several hundred miles east-northeast of Japan. Japan announces that it is now a Nuclear power and within days an assembly line of warheads are publicly shown being produced with warheads being built like sausages. Japan then "invites" a Chinese military Mission to "inspect" the facilities, when the Chinese officers arrive at the Japanese facilities an American high ranking military "advisor" who is also present walks up to the Chinese and gleefully explains to them that this all was made possible because Xi rejected the olive branch offered at the beginning of the year. The Next week South Korea does the same with Vietnam following suit. The Philippines, Australia and Indonesia follow suit within the next two Months. Now Suddenly the is a literal firewall of Nuclear armed states girdling China. The US becomes stronger in the SCS as well, a skirmish occurs but the president contacts Xi, in the conversation with Xi, the president tells Xi that he has an important Choice today "peace or war" the president demands the end of Chinese attempts against US interests in the South Pacific, Latin America and Africa. However He/She offers Taiwan to Xi if he accepts the offer. In the end Xi backs down war is averted but Taiwan is invaded as per the terms of the treaty several months later. Falun Gong and the Dalai Lama are also expelled from the American sphere of Influence as well per treaty. America then Expands into Latin America in order bring their industry and Manpower resources into Direct American Control, while America Reforms internally into a military state with the Meritocratic State and Civil-Military education and internal security system is implemented. See Problem solved as far as Millennials see things.

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CH86 wrote: How a president can being about friendly coexistence with the CCP is simple, make moves that force respect of American power in the CCP. For example let say a new president is inaugurated, he/she warns china that US has the ability to defend its supreme interests and destroy any power who attacks but also he/she advances the olive branch. ..............................................
America then Expands into Latin America in order bring their industry and Manpower resources into Direct American Control, while America Reforms internally into a military state with the Meritocratic State and Civil-Military education and internal security system is implemented. See Problem solved as far as Millennials see things.
holly s**t!!! are you f-ing retard or insane or both? THAT WAS AOC level stupid/retarded, maybe even worse...
I have never read anything even close to this. The level of authoritarianism, ignorance, stupidity and arrogance you just showed is mindboggling, even unbelievable. I hope to God people like you never get to positions of power.
YOU AND YOUR "SIMPLE" PLAN WOULD DESTROY THE WHOLE EARTH IN ONE MONTH, MAYBE EVEN IN ONE WEEK!!!!

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