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thomasglee wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:05 pm

Another viewpoint.

https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/the-n ... e-sabotage

It would have problems if it were a torpedo designed to hit a submarine. If it was a torpedo designed to hit a stationary object on the sea floor, much more possible. Pipelines or undersea cables don’t dodge. No need for propulsion. Gravity would do. You would use inertial guidance rather than GPS and use a low powered sonar only at the end. You could install a big warhead.

The problem would be time to develop such a thing. Someone would have had to start designing and building the thing a while ago. There might be a desire to hide that you have it that would result in your not wanting to land in Britain. Even then, this guy noted those planes were in the air at the right time and place. The operation was put out there. Releasing the device might also be done with less security risk by releasing it from a boat or sub.

Not the most likely of theories, but not to be ignored. I still like the incompetent (or lack of) maintenance theory a bit more. It will become clearer once the locals get close enough to the breaks to determine if the wrecking force was from an external device or something internal to the pipe which manifested at a corner. If the latter, the finger will be pointed at the Russians, and they might as well admit it now.

El Cid M wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:58 am

How about by Christmas? Or January 10th?

Thank you, we will check back in then.

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:19 pm

thomasglee wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:05 pm

Another viewpoint.

https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/the-n ... e-sabotage

It would have problems if it were a torpedo designed to hit a submarine. If it was a torpedo designed to hit a stationary object on the sea floor, much more possible. Pipelines or undersea cables don’t dodge. No need for propulsion. Gravity would do. You would use inertial guidance rather than GPS and use a low powered sonar only at the end. You could install a big warhead.

The problem would be time to develop such a thing. Someone would have had to start designing and building the thing a while ago. There might be a desire to hide that you have it that would result in your not wanting to land in Britain. Even then, this guy noted those planes were in the air at the right time and place. The operation was put out there. Releasing the device might also be done with less security risk by releasing it from a boat or sub.

Not the most likely of theories, but not to be ignored. I still like the incompetent (or lack of) maintenance theory a bit more. It will become clearer once the locals get close enough to the breaks to determine if the wrecking force was from an external device or something internal to the pipe which manifested at a corner. If the latter, the finger will be pointed at the Russians, and they might as well admit it now.

All US torpedoes are designed to hit submarines. They aren't used for anything else. Yes, pipelines don't dodge but you need to be able to find them and GPS doesn't work underwater. With no propulsion you're talking about an air dropped depth charge. If you're going to drop and hope it hits, it's much easier, cheaper and more efficient to dump them over the side of a boat.

This whole idea has a Rube Goldberg-esque quality to it. There are much better ways to accomplish it like using a diver to lay the charge exactly where you want it.

Xeraphim1 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:56 am

All US torpedoes are designed to hit submarines. They aren't used for anything else. Yes, pipelines don't dodge but you need to be able to find them and GPS doesn't work underwater. With no propulsion you're talking about an air dropped depth charge. If you're going to drop and hope it hits, it's much easier, cheaper and more efficient to dump them over the side of a boat.

This whole idea has a Rube Goldberg-esque quality to it. There are much better ways to accomplish it like using a diver to lay the charge exactly where you want it.

All known torpedoes are so designed. When I did projects for the intelligence agencies, they were not so well known. They have toys they don't talk about.

I can see why you are dubious. I still like the lack of maintenance theory better. I just couldn't come up with why the US would put up planes in the right area at the right time. If the theory pusher made that up I wouldn't be surprised. If he had an anti US agenda, he might. If you cared really about the theory fact checking the flights might be helpful. Anyway, we might know better once they go down and investigate.

Banks and other lenders have started offering payday loans to mobilised men who have been asked to buy their own military kit, including basic equipment like bulletproof vests.

Posters offering microcredit popped on the streets of Kursk, close to the Ukrainian border, promising a “decision within 29 minutes” for newly mobilised men struggling to buy vital kit.

From the Daily Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news ... n-ukraine/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -s-bad-day

Has anyone but John seen the movie, "The Big Short"?

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John, things are heating up in Iran, and I can’t remember if you’ve commented on the likelihood of actual revolution occurring. At what generational stage are they, and is there any chance of change taking place. Maybe I should go back and read your book!

Guest wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:48 pm

El Cid M wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:58 am

Cool Breeze wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:37 am

Timeline?

I don't have a problem with predictions, but if you make one, actually make it.

How about by Christmas? Or January 10th?

One bullet through one skull and it will all be over.

And that is how, I suspect, things will end, for the Moscow goat.

Xeraphim1 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:56 am

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:19 pm

thomasglee wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:05 pm

Another viewpoint.

https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/the-n ... e-sabotage

It would have problems if it were a torpedo designed to hit a submarine. If it was a torpedo designed to hit a stationary object on the sea floor, much more possible. Pipelines or undersea cables don’t dodge. No need for propulsion. Gravity would do. You would use inertial guidance rather than GPS and use a low powered sonar only at the end. You could install a big warhead.

The problem would be time to develop such a thing. Someone would have had to start designing and building the thing a while ago. There might be a desire to hide that you have it that would result in your not wanting to land in Britain. Even then, this guy noted those planes were in the air at the right time and place. The operation was put out there. Releasing the device might also be done with less security risk by releasing it from a boat or sub.

Not the most likely of theories, but not to be ignored. I still like the incompetent (or lack of) maintenance theory a bit more. It will become clearer once the locals get close enough to the breaks to determine if the wrecking force was from an external device or something internal to the pipe which manifested at a corner. If the latter, the finger will be pointed at the Russians, and they might as well admit it now.

All US torpedoes are designed to hit submarines. They aren't used for anything else. Yes, pipelines don't dodge but you need to be able to find them and GPS doesn't work underwater. With no propulsion you're talking about an air dropped depth charge. If you're going to drop and hope it hits, it's much easier, cheaper and more efficient to dump them over the side of a boat.

This whole idea has a Rube Goldberg-esque quality to it. There are much better ways to accomplish it like using a diver to lay the charge exactly where you want it.

news reports in Europe say Russia may have packed parts of the pipeline with explosives during construction.