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Kim Visits Beijing

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Historically, the "Emperors of Korea" was considered "Princes" by the Chinese Emperor. It seems that Kim is once again seeking to establish such a role in an attempt to gain Chinese support. If Kim submits to Xi that north Korea is just a principality of China, then China will be obligated to defend their territory.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/speculation- ... 45739.html
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thomasglee wrote: > Historically, the "Emperors of Korea" was considered "Princes" by
> the Chinese Emperor. It seems that Kim is once again seeking to
> establish such a role in an attempt to gain Chinese support. If
> Kim submits to Xi that north Korea is just a principality of
> China, then China will be obligated to defend their territory.

> https://www.yahoo.com/news/speculation- ... 45739.html


That's an incredible suggestion, with enormous implications. Is it
pure speculation, or is it supported by any of your sources?

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At this point, I would label it, "educated speculation". :)
John wrote:
thomasglee wrote: > Historically, the "Emperors of Korea" was considered "Princes" by
> the Chinese Emperor. It seems that Kim is once again seeking to
> establish such a role in an attempt to gain Chinese support. If
> Kim submits to Xi that north Korea is just a principality of
> China, then China will be obligated to defend their territory.

> https://www.yahoo.com/news/speculation- ... 45739.html


That's an incredible suggestion, with enormous implications. Is it
pure speculation, or is it supported by any of your sources?
Psalm 34:4 - “I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears.”

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Double post. Sorry.
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Admittedly, to be clear, it is purely speculation on my point. However, I make the speculation based on historical context and the current geopolitical climate. Trump agrees to meet with Kim and Kim decides to visit Beijing. I doubt it is coincidental.

John wrote:
thomasglee wrote: > Historically, the "Emperors of Korea" was considered "Princes" by
> the Chinese Emperor. It seems that Kim is once again seeking to
> establish such a role in an attempt to gain Chinese support. If
> Kim submits to Xi that north Korea is just a principality of
> China, then China will be obligated to defend their territory.

> https://www.yahoo.com/news/speculation- ... 45739.html


That's an incredible suggestion, with enormous implications. Is it
pure speculation, or is it supported by any of your sources?
Psalm 34:4 - “I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears.”

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thomasglee wrote: > Admittedly, to be clear, it is purely speculation on my
> point. However, I make the speculation based on historical context
> and the current geopolitical climate. Trump agrees to meet with
> Kim and Kim decides to visit Beijing. I doubt it is
> coincidental.
OK, but there are more prosaic explanations for the trip to Beijing
aren't there? Admittedly, what completely confuses me is that Kim is
going to Beijing but supposedly will not be meeting with Xi. I find
that very surprising, despite the fact the Xi and Kim despise each
other.

But still, here's another possibility: Trump is a master negotiator,
and the child dictator couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.
Maybe Kim has asked the Chinese to give him a classroom course on "How
to negotiate with Americans," so that he won't make too many mistakes.

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Good and valid points. I'm just making speculation, again, from understanding the historical (generational?) relationships that have existed between the various ancient clans of the Korean peninsula and both China and Japan. Throughout history, Korean has been passed back and forth between China and Japan. I can see today how, as in the past, parts of Korea (the DPRK, for example) will align with China while other areas within Korea (the ROK) will find themselves aligned with Japan.

John wrote:
thomasglee wrote: > Admittedly, to be clear, it is purely speculation on my
> point. However, I make the speculation based on historical context
> and the current geopolitical climate. Trump agrees to meet with
> Kim and Kim decides to visit Beijing. I doubt it is
> coincidental.
OK, but there are more prosaic explanations for the trip to Beijing
aren't there? Admittedly, what completely confuses me is that Kim is
going to Beijing but supposedly will not be meeting with Xi. I find
that very surprising, despite the fact the Xi and Kim despise each
other.

But still, here's another possibility: Trump is a master negotiator,
and the child dictator couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.
Maybe Kim has asked the Chinese to give him a classroom course on "How
to negotiate with Americans," so that he won't make too many mistakes.
Psalm 34:4 - “I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears.”

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By the way, I wouldn't be surprised by the fact he is not meeting with Xi. Remember, he is just a prince. Therefore, Xi giving him court would be elevating him to a higher position than he deserves (in Xi's eyes). Xi not meeting, directly, with Kim, enforces the position that Kim is going there as a subservient to the Emperor. IMHO.
John wrote:
thomasglee wrote: > Admittedly, to be clear, it is purely speculation on my
> point. However, I make the speculation based on historical context
> and the current geopolitical climate. Trump agrees to meet with
> Kim and Kim decides to visit Beijing. I doubt it is
> coincidental.
OK, but there are more prosaic explanations for the trip to Beijing
aren't there? Admittedly, what completely confuses me is that Kim is
going to Beijing but supposedly will not be meeting with Xi. I find
that very surprising, despite the fact the Xi and Kim despise each
other.

But still, here's another possibility: Trump is a master negotiator,
and the child dictator couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.
Maybe Kim has asked the Chinese to give him a classroom course on "How
to negotiate with Americans," so that he won't make too many mistakes.
Psalm 34:4 - “I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears.”

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thomasglee wrote: > Good and valid points. I'm just making speculation, again, from
> understanding the historical (generational?) relationships that
> have existed between the various ancient clans of the Korean
> peninsula and both China and Japan. Throughout history, Korean has
> been passed back and forth between China and Japan. I can see
> today how, as in the past, parts of Korea (the DPRK, for example)
> will align with China while other areas within Korea (the ROK)
> will find themselves aligned with Japan.

> By the way, I wouldn't be surprised by the fact he is not meeting
> with Xi. Remember, he is just a prince. Therefore, Xi giving him
> court would be elevating him to a higher position than he deserves
> (in Xi's eyes). Xi not meeting, directly, with Kim, enforces the
> position that Kim is going there as a subservient to the
> Emperor. IMHO.

That makes sense. One thing that I'm always trying to figure out is
which countries will align with China vs the US, when forced to choose
one side or the other during the upcoming world war. So I've put
Japan, Philippines, Vietnam on the side of the US, and Cambodia, Laos
and maybe Thailand on the side of China.

There's always a lingering question about which side Korea will be on.
When you say that Korea will be split between China and Japan, does
that mean that North Korea will side with China, and South Korea will
side with the US?

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John wrote:That makes sense. One thing that I'm always trying to figure out is
which countries will align with China vs. the US when forced to choose one side or the other during the upcoming world war. So I've put
Japan, Philippines, Vietnam on the side of the US, and Cambodia, Laos
and maybe Thailand on the side of China.

There's always a lingering question about which side Korea will be on.
When you say that Korea will be split between China and Japan, does
that mean that North Korea will side with China, and South Korea will
side with the US?
Yes, sir, that's how I see it, and it makes sense, based on precedent as there have been several times throughout history when the northern clans would align with China and the southern clans with Japan. People like to think Korean has always been this unified country when in reality, there have always been splits, based on regional differences. Even today, within South Korea, a regional rivalry exists between the residents of Gyeongsang and Jeolla provinces. A rivalry goes back thousands of years and that sometimes can get very heated. Have you ever read about the Kwangju Massacre in 1980?
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