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New guy wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:41 am
A betting man would have money on China making a move against Taiwan soon.
Indeed, things could get interesting.

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thomasglee wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:52 am
The best, most accurate, and to the point analysis of the issue in Ukraine. Most of you won't watch, and some of you will watch and deny the overall premise.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/U7wAdvOUtH0f/

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-crisis ... t-germany/
tglee knows his stuff, he sees truth where he can find it, and shares it

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So where are the people insisting that the US (in particular) was lying and that Putin had no intention of invading Ukraine and that if there was to be a false flag, it would be the US who did it?


I'll admit that I didn't think Putin would actually go through with it. I was wrong. Sadly.

At this point we've seen that the limited sanctions already applied did nothing. I think the only option would be to go (figuratively) nuclear. Cut Russia off from SWIFT. Confiscate every asset belonging to Russian oligarchs and and every member of the Russian government and military. Kick every Russian citizen out of every good country in the world. Ban all airline flights. Refuse to sell anything to Russia. Sanction any company that tries to ship anything to Russia.

Tapping Russia with a stick hasn't achieved anything. Maybe hitting it in the head with a lead pipe will get some attention.

And for the idiots here, no, I'm not even suggesting sending US troops to Ukraine. Though if any Russian aircraft enter allied air space I think maybe they should be shot down.

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So now the invasion of Ukraine by Russia is full on. As predicted here.

Here are some of my thoughts:

1. There is no global conspiracy, new world order, or whatever, who is manipulating events behind the scenes to force us into slavery dominated by shadowy financial figures. IMHO, this is based on conspiratorial thinking, which, as I have posted many times, is not rational or logical.

2. This war is literally Putin trying to restore Russia to what he believes is its “proper place in the world”. Which is what existed under the USSR, or even pre WW1 under the last Czars.

3. The West is going with Sanctions, which have never worked (outside of South Africa, which was, even under apartheid, a quasi-democracy that could only push its own people so far). It is wishful thinking that the Russian oligarchs are going to force Putin to stop. Look at what happens to any oligarch that gives Putin trouble. They have no more power/influence than the German industrialists who were ok with the installation of Hitler’s regime had in stopping Hitler. Putin controls the military, the Russian legal system, and the security forces (police and secret police). Cause Putin any discomfort and you’re dead.

4. The West is not going to help Ukraine, outside of maybe send it some more ammunition. We will all sit back in our living rooms and watch Ukraine die. The only chance of defending Ukraine was to have either given it NATO level security guarantees when it gave up its nukes (1994 Agreements under Clinton), have stood up to it when it took Crimea (2014 under Obama), or sent NATO peacekeeping forces into Ukraine when the current buildup started (2021 under Biden).

5. Putin is moving rather slowly, as he needs to build up domestic support (believe it or not, even Hitler worried about this), and build an increasingly stronger case, as bizarre as this seems, that Russia is defending itself against Western/NATO provocations and threats. Very soon we will see Russia convert over to a full wartime economy, with massive increases in military production, increases in manpower, and so on. He will quickly win the race to fully mobilize resources.

6. Putin cannot immediately take down the western financial system right now (which his hackers have the power to do), due to the concerns of the Chinese. Russia cannot be seen as the source of the coming financial crisis. The Chinese have to be able to blame the USA. For this reason, people in the western world still have a little bit of time to get their financial affairs in order. For example, I would start keeping paper bank statements and proof of payments on things like credit card bills and your mortgage.

7. This can, and will, spiral out of control. There are a host of scenarios that could widen the conflict, from Russian cyberattacks to Baltic/Polish involvement that the Russians don’t like. For example, Belarus’ Lukashenko has a grudge against Lithuania, what if he sent his own forces across that border in some punitive move. Or the Poles could decide that the territory the USSR took from them in 1939, which includes the area of Ukraine around Lviv (Polish Lvov), should be under them as the Ukraine falls apart.

8. The Chinese are of course moving on their own agenda while Putin keeps everyone distracted. I think that they are currently hoping that Biden will send American troops to Europe, so that potential reinforcements to Asia are reduced.

9. NATOs largest military force is the Turkish army. I wouldn’t be surprised if Erdogan uses the coming chaos to decide to pull out of NATO and attack Greece. Other nonsense can be expected from most NATO members, as they move towards appeasement (Germany, Hungary, most of the minor countries). After all, they will say, Ukraine was under Russia for centuries.

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Xeraphim1 wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:57 pm
So where are the people insisting that the US (in particular) was lying and that Putin had no intention of invading Ukraine and that if there was to be a false flag, it would be the US who did it?
Still here, and still maintain that opinion.

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guest wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:36 am
We are at war now. It's best to get with the program and stop making excuses for our enemies.
No we aren’t at war. Not yet at least.

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DaKardii wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:21 pm
Xeraphim1 wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:57 pm
So where are the people insisting that the US (in particular) was lying and that Putin had no intention of invading Ukraine and that if there was to be a false flag, it would be the US who did it?
Still here, and still maintain that opinion.
It must be nice to live on your planet.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

― G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain

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Tom Mazanec wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:31 pm
DaKardii wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:21 pm
Xeraphim1 wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:57 pm
So where are the people insisting that the US (in particular) was lying and that Putin had no intention of invading Ukraine and that if there was to be a false flag, it would be the US who did it?
Still here, and still maintain that opinion.
It must be nice to live on your planet.
I'm not convinced Putin had any intention to invade Ukraine until Biden (and to a lesser extent Zelensky) forced his hand.

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Anyone could have, pre WW2, read Mein Kampf and known what Hitler was going to do. He wrote it all down in his book.

Putin's statements regarding the breakup of the USSR and regarding Ukraine being "Russian" have been made for years. He has publicly stated this stuff.

This idea that somehow shadowing behind the scenes actors in the "deep state" (or world financiers or whatever) are guiding current events, especially regarding the Ukraine, is WRONG. It is causing you to lose faith in your own country, and in the systems that have made it strong.

If there is any "conspiracy" it is misinformation like this, likely funded by the Chinese and Russians to boot.
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The whole "QAnon" thing would be completely laughable if it wasn't for so many people taking it seriously. It is now turning out that "Q" was some 55 year old South African and a 35yr old computer tech in Arizona.

You, and many others, are now faced with the fact that what you have believed for a long time is, in fact, not true. This is something that is understandably difficult to deal with, as you now have to go through the stages of grief. But the faster that you accept that what is happening is the normal, historical way that geo-politics play out, the better it will be for you.

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Navigator wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:18 pm
5. Putin is moving rather slowly, as he needs to build up domestic support (believe it or not, even Hitler worried about this), and build an increasingly stronger case, as bizarre as this seems, that Russia is defending itself against Western/NATO provocations and threats. Very soon we will see Russia convert over to a full wartime economy, with massive increases in military production, increases in manpower, and so on. He will quickly win the race to fully mobilize resources.
Russia IS responding against NATO provocations/threats. Note that I said "responding," and not "defending itself." Putin has indeed wanted a pretext to invade Ukraine for years, so he's obviously not entirely innocent.

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Navigator wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:18 pm
7. This can, and will, spiral out of control. There are a host of scenarios that could widen the conflict, from Russian cyberattacks to Baltic/Polish involvement that the Russians don’t like. For example, Belarus’ Lukashenko has a grudge against Lithuania, what if he sent his own forces across that border in some punitive move. Or the Poles could decide that the territory the USSR took from them in 1939, which includes the area of Ukraine around Lviv (Polish Lvov), should be under them as the Ukraine falls apart.

8. The Chinese are of course moving on their own agenda while Putin keeps everyone distracted. I think that they are currently hoping that Biden will send American troops to Europe, so that potential reinforcements to Asia are reduced.

9. NATOs largest military force is the Turkish army. I wouldn’t be surprised if Erdogan uses the coming chaos to decide to pull out of NATO and attack Greece. Other nonsense can be expected from most NATO members, as they move towards appeasement (Germany, Hungary, most of the minor countries). After all, they will say, Ukraine was under Russia for centuries.
Lukashenko has always had a maverick streak. If his tries something like attacking Lithuania without Putin's consent, it may well be the end of him. Of course, that's a big "if" at this point. As for Poland, no way it tries to take Ukrainian territory without getting itself kicked out of NATO. Such a move would be deemed a stab in the back by Washington, and possibly a casus belli for a Polish-American war. Same goes for Hungary, Slovakia, and Romania, which all possessed parts of present-day Ukrainian territory at some point between 1918 and 1939.

China wants the US and Russia at each others throats, and will do all it can to make sure that happens. Most likely it will side with Russia because it deems the US to be the bigger enemy, but it also plans to turn against Russia once the US is defeated. The ABSOLUTE LAST thing China wants, however, is a Russo-American alliance against it.

Turkey is another imperialistic country which hates both the US and Russia, although it is much harder to guess which country Turkey hates more than it is to guess which country China hates more. Personally, I believe Turkey's decision on who to side with will ultimately be determined by the actions of its neighbors. Many of Turkey's neighbors are either anti-US, pro-Russia, or both. Then there are the cases of Greece and Bulgaria (and perhaps Romania), which are members of NATO but have populations who are generally pro-Russia. Based on that information, if enough of Turkey's neighbors side with Russia, then Turkey will side with the US. But if that doesn't happen, then there's a 50/50 chance Turkey pulls out of NATO and sides with Russia.

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