5-Aug-18 World View -- China mocks America's 'Indo-Pacific' strategy at ASEAN meeting

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Re: 5-Aug-18 World View -- China mocks America's 'Indo-Pacific' strategy at ASEAN meeting

Postby John » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:07 am

Guest in Korea wrote:> I'm in Korea. The economy is sinking. I can't imagine China is
> doing any better. China making financial deals with their
> arch-enemy Japan is a sign desperation, nothing else. I read your
> analysis with serious concern. Could this economic downturn be the
> catalyst that sparks a war?

> The Korean government spent the day telling everyone that there
> was no crisis. They really said that today. All around me I see
> despair and a growing feeling that things are just getting worse.

> The Chinese have always tried to put a sunny image forward, but
> that's not happening anymore.The problems have become to difficult
> to pretend otherwise. The Chinese tell me openly they are in
> trouble.

> I see only darkness ahead. I am scared.


When you say that the economy is sinking, and that China is also in
trouble, I assume that you and your friends talk about this. So is it
possible that you're reaching these conclusions because these feelings
of despair are just within your own circle, or are your views widely
held? Are there statistics to back this up? Do people on the left
and right hold different views? What about different generations?

Guest in Korea

Re: 5-Aug-18 World View -- China mocks America's 'Indo-Pacific' strategy at ASEAN meeting

Postby Guest in Korea » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:24 am

John wrote:
Guest in Korea wrote:> I'm in Korea. The economy is sinking. I can't imagine China is
> doing any better. China making financial deals with their
> arch-enemy Japan is a sign desperation, nothing else. I read your
> analysis with serious concern. Could this economic downturn be the
> catalyst that sparks a war?

> The Korean government spent the day telling everyone that there
> was no crisis. They really said that today. All around me I see
> despair and a growing feeling that things are just getting worse.

> The Chinese have always tried to put a sunny image forward, but
> that's not happening anymore.The problems have become to difficult
> to pretend otherwise. The Chinese tell me openly they are in
> trouble.

> I see only darkness ahead. I am scared.


When you say that the economy is sinking, and that China is also in
trouble, I assume that you and your friends talk about this. So is it
possible that you're reaching these conclusions because these feelings
of despair are just within your own circle, or are your views widely
held? Are there statistics to back this up? Do people on the left
and right hold different views? What about different generations?


Our views are widely held. I don't know anyone who thinks the economy is going well. Even rich people think the economy is bad. Korea has a a lot of youth unemployment, but the Korean government lies about it. Statistics are manipulated by the government. No one believes them.

The left and right were divided a year ago, but now everyone feels the same about the economy and most don't like President Moon. He just gives things to North Korea and lets people in South Korea live in poverty. He would not win an election today. He has passed many new laws which have hurt the economy. He is stupid and trusts the North Koreans.

The North Koreans are laughing at the South. The Chinese are laughing at the South, too.

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Re: 5-Aug-18 World View -- China mocks America's 'Indo-Pacific' strategy at ASEAN meeting

Postby John » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:26 pm

Guest in Korea wrote:> Our views are widely held. I don't know anyone who thinks the
> economy is going well. Even rich people think the economy is
> bad. Korea has a a lot of youth unemployment, but the Korean
> government lies about it. Statistics are manipulated by the
> government. No one believes them.

> The left and right were divided a year ago, but now everyone feels
> the same about the economy and most don't like President Moon. He
> just gives things to North Korea and lets people in South Korea
> live in poverty. He would not win an election today. He has passed
> many new laws which have hurt the economy. He is stupid and trusts
> the North Koreans.

> The North Koreans are laughing at the South. The Chinese are
> laughing at the South, too.



I have to say that I can see why people are laughing at Moon. But
it's not funny, it's dangerous.

If you step back and compare the situation today to the situation in
January, the harsh sanctions are still nominally in force, but they've
been substantially weakening through cheating by the Chinese and
Russians.

Kim and Moon are celebrating their desire to reunite the two Koreas.
They're removing mines planted along the border, and they're planning
roads and rail lines crossing the border.

What these steps do is make it easier for the Northern army to cross
the border and attack Seoul. Despite the "charm offensive," North
Korea has never denied that it wants to reunite Korea by force, under
control of the North Korean government.

Kim, Moon, China and Russia are all pressuring Trump to loosen the
sanctions. Building roads and rail lines would require waiving some
of the sanctions. And the demand to sign a treaty ending the Korean
war would bring further demands to remove American troops and loosen
or eliminate sanctions.

Meanwhile, North Korea has not taken any steps toward
denuclearization, even the simple one of at least submitting a list of
nuclear facilities, which is what the US is demanding.

So you say that China and the North Koreans are laughing at the South.
I can see why.

Guest in Korea

Re: 5-Aug-18 World View -- China mocks America's 'Indo-Pacific' strategy at ASEAN meeting

Postby Guest in Korea » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:07 pm

John wrote:
Guest in Korea wrote:> Our views are widely held. I don't know anyone who thinks the
> economy is going well. Even rich people think the economy is
> bad. Korea has a a lot of youth unemployment, but the Korean
> government lies about it. Statistics are manipulated by the
> government. No one believes them.

> The left and right were divided a year ago, but now everyone feels
> the same about the economy and most don't like President Moon. He
> just gives things to North Korea and lets people in South Korea
> live in poverty. He would not win an election today. He has passed
> many new laws which have hurt the economy. He is stupid and trusts
> the North Koreans.

> The North Koreans are laughing at the South. The Chinese are
> laughing at the South, too.



I have to say that I can see why people are laughing at Moon. But
it's not funny, it's dangerous.

If you step back and compare the situation today to the situation in
January, the harsh sanctions are still nominally in force, but they've
been substantially weakening through cheating by the Chinese and
Russians.

Kim and Moon are celebrating their desire to reunite the two Koreas.
They're removing mines planted along the border, and they're planning
roads and rail lines crossing the border.

What these steps do is make it easier for the Northern army to cross
the border and attack Seoul. Despite the "charm offensive," North
Korea has never denied that it wants to reunite Korea by force, under
control of the North Korean government.

Kim, Moon, China and Russia are all pressuring Trump to loosen the
sanctions. Building roads and rail lines would require waiving some
of the sanctions. And the demand to sign a treaty ending the Korean
war would bring further demands to remove American troops and loosen
or eliminate sanctions.

Meanwhile, North Korea has not taken any steps toward
denuclearization, even the simple one of at least submitting a list of
nuclear facilities, which is what the US is demanding.

So you say that China and the North Koreans are laughing at the South.
I can see why.


The North and the Chinese are going to attack us. You know that, don't you?

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Re: 5-Aug-18 World View -- China mocks America's 'Indo-Pacific' strategy at ASEAN meeting

Postby John » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:24 pm

Guest in Korea wrote:
John wrote:
Guest in Korea wrote:> Our views are widely held. I don't know anyone who thinks the
> economy is going well. Even rich people think the economy is
> bad. Korea has a a lot of youth unemployment, but the Korean
> government lies about it. Statistics are manipulated by the
> government. No one believes them.

> The left and right were divided a year ago, but now everyone feels
> the same about the economy and most don't like President Moon. He
> just gives things to North Korea and lets people in South Korea
> live in poverty. He would not win an election today. He has passed
> many new laws which have hurt the economy. He is stupid and trusts
> the North Koreans.

> The North Koreans are laughing at the South. The Chinese are
> laughing at the South, too.



I have to say that I can see why people are laughing at Moon. But
it's not funny, it's dangerous.

If you step back and compare the situation today to the situation in
January, the harsh sanctions are still nominally in force, but they've
been substantially weakening through cheating by the Chinese and
Russians.

Kim and Moon are celebrating their desire to reunite the two Koreas.
They're removing mines planted along the border, and they're planning
roads and rail lines crossing the border.

What these steps do is make it easier for the Northern army to cross
the border and attack Seoul. Despite the "charm offensive," North
Korea has never denied that it wants to reunite Korea by force, under
control of the North Korean government.

Kim, Moon, China and Russia are all pressuring Trump to loosen the
sanctions. Building roads and rail lines would require waiving some
of the sanctions. And the demand to sign a treaty ending the Korean
war would bring further demands to remove American troops and loosen
or eliminate sanctions.

Meanwhile, North Korea has not taken any steps toward
denuclearization, even the simple one of at least submitting a list of
nuclear facilities, which is what the US is demanding.

So you say that China and the North Koreans are laughing at the South.
I can see why.


The North and the Chinese are going to attack us. You know that, don't you?



That's pretty much what I was saying. The only mystery
is why Moon doesn't know it.

Guest

Re: 5-Aug-18 World View -- China mocks America's 'Indo-Pacific' strategy at ASEAN meeting

Postby Guest » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:39 am

The North and the Chinese are going to attack us. You know that, don't you?


That's pretty much what I was saying. The only mystery
is why Moon doesn't know it.


Do you have any idea how disturbing this page is to read?

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Re: 5-Aug-18 World View -- China mocks America's 'Indo-Pacific' strategy at ASEAN meeting

Postby Tom Mazanec » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:09 pm

When is your book on China's Generational History coming out?
SHARKS (crossed out) MONGEESE (sic) WITH FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS

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Re: 5-Aug-18 World View -- China mocks America's 'Indo-Pacific' strategy at ASEAN meeting

Postby FishbellykanakaDude » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:16 pm

Guest wrote:
The North and the Chinese are going to attack us. You know that, don't you?


That's pretty much what I was saying. The only mystery
is why Moon doesn't know it.


Do you have any idea how disturbing this page is to read?


Being the persnickety "definitions oriented" goofball that I am, I must ask, "What do you MEAN by disturbing?"

The reason I ask that is that "disturbing" is rather generic, and I'm interested as to specifically HOW it is disturbing?

It seems (!?) that you're relatively new around here, and that may be a large part of the reason for your question, as the inevitable-but-not-time-determined (as per GD Theory) upcoming world war is hardly news to anyone here.

Anyway, I just wanted to get into the head, as it were, of someone (you) who's just now been exposed to the "uncomfortableness" that GD Theory creates.

:) Aloha nui! <shaka!>

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Re: 5-Aug-18 World View -- China mocks America's 'Indo-Pacific' strategy at ASEAN meeting

Postby John » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:40 pm

Tom Mazanec wrote:> When is your book on China's Generational History coming
> out?


With luck, at the beginning of December.

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Postby John » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:43 pm

Guest in Korea wrote:> Do you have any idea how disturbing this page is to read?



The thing is, you really have to think about what you want to do. In
my case, I've decided that I really don't want to live through a world
war. I live in Cambridge Mass, next to MIT, and the ideal scenario
for me would be that one of the first Chinese missiles kills me
quickly and painlessly. Death is, after all, a part of life.

What this web site and Generational Dynamics give you is an insight
into what's going to happen. Some people ask me if it's better off
just to ignore all this stuff. My answer is that it probably is,
since you can't do anything about it, and you might as well just enjoy
life as normal.

So if you live in Seoul, just forget that you ever came to this site,
and go one with your happy day to day life as usual. Quite honestly,
in the end, it will probably be the best choice.

On the other hand, if you do want to do something about the situation,
then you have to stop being scared, make a plan, and do it. I've
known people who have become survivalists, and are now living in some
unknown bunkers somewhere in the midwest USA.

If you're a young male, you might take this advice:

Higgenbotham wrote:> Based on the information you provided, since you are young
> (presumably wouldn't have a lot of money to invest) and you think
> a nuclear war is probable, I would suggest you first "invest in
> yourself" and your survival. One idea for consideration in that
> regard is to set yourself up to be able to get to a safe haven
> outside the US. A couple countries that come to mind are Chile and
> Namibia. One way to do that would be to try to meet a woman in a
> country you determine to be a safe haven who has a reputable and
> well connected family. Know how you are going to get to her
> family's home within 24 hours and have the money set aside to do
> that, your bags packed and an idea of what news would make you
> ready to act.


So his advice is to pick a country, move there, and move in
with some reputable woman.

Maybe that option isn't available to you. If you're able to leave
Korea, then you have to decide whether you should do that and, if so,
when and where. Or, as I understand it, southern South Korea is
likely to be a lot safer than Seoul, so you might consider taking your
family and moving there.

Once you've figured out what your choices are, you have to pick one of
them and decide to live with it. If you decide to do nothing, live
with that. If you decide to move somewhere, live with that. Just
make up your mind and do it. And I really mean it when I say that
doing nothing may be the best choice, since no place is really safe
from a world war, so why bother?


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