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Re: Nuclear War

by tim » Tue May 06, 2025 10:44 am

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180972259/
In 1945, a Japanese Balloon Bomb Killed Six Americans, Five of Them Children, in Oregon

The military kept the true story of their deaths, the only civilians to die at enemy hands on the U.S. mainland, under wraps
Elsye Mitchell almost didn’t go on the picnic that sunny day in Bly, Oregon. She had baked a chocolate cake the night before in anticipation of their outing, her sister would later recall, but the 26-year-old was pregnant with her first child and had been feeling unwell. On the morning of May 5, 1945, she decided she felt decent enough to join her husband, Rev. Archie Mitchell, and a group of Sunday school children from their tight-knit community as they set out for nearby Gearhart Mountain in southern Oregon. Against a scenic backdrop far removed from the war raging across the Pacific, Mitchell and five other children would become the first—and only—civilians to die by enemy weapons on the United States mainland during World War II.

While Archie parked their car, Elsye and the children stumbled upon a strange-looking object in the forest and shouted back to him. The reverend would later describe that tragic moment to local newspapers: “I…hurriedly called a warning to them, but it was too late. Just then there was a big explosion. I ran up – and they were all lying there dead.” Lost in an instant were his wife and unborn child, alongside Eddie Engen, 13, Jay Gifford, 13, Sherman Shoemaker, 11, Dick Patzke, 14, and Joan “Sis” Patzke, 13.

Dottie McGinnis, sister of Dick and Joan Patzke, later recalled to her daughter in a family memory book the shock of coming home to cars gathered in the driveway, and the devastating news that two of her siblings and friends from the community were gone. “I ran to one of the cars and asked is Dick dead? Or Joan dead? Is Jay dead? Is Eddie dead? Is Sherman dead? Archie and Elsye had taken them on a Sunday school picnic up on Gearhart Mountain. After each question they answered yes. At the end they all were dead except Archie.” Like most in the community, the Patzke family had no inkling that the dangers of war would reach their own backyard in rural Oregon.

But the eyewitness accounts of Archie Mitchell and others would not be widely known for weeks. In the aftermath of the explosion, the small, lumber milling community would bear the added burden of enforced silence. For Rev. Mitchell and the families of the children lost, the unique circumstances of their devastating loss would be shared by none and known by few.

In the months leading up to that spring day on Gearhart Mountain, there had been some warning signs, apparitions scattered around the western United States that were largely unexplained—at least to the general public. Flashes of light, the sound of explosion, the discovery of mysterious fragments—all amounted to little concrete information to go on. First, the discovery of a large balloon miles off the California coast by the Navy on November 4, 1944. A month later, on December 6, 1944, witnesses reported an explosion and flame near Thermopolis, Wyoming. Reports of fallen balloons began to trickle in to local law enforcement with enough frequency that it was clear something unprecedented in the war had emerged that demanded explanation. Military officials began to piece together that a strange new weapon, with markings indicating it had been manufactured in Japan, had reached American shores. They did not yet know the extent or capability or scale of these balloon bombs.

Though relatively simple as a concept, these balloons—which aviation expert Robert C. Mikesh describes in Japan’s World War II Balloon Bomb Attacks on North America as the first successful intercontinental weapons, long before that concept was a mainstay in the Cold War vernacular—required more than two years of concerted effort and cutting-edge technology engineering to bring into reality. Japanese scientists carefully studied what would become commonly known as the jet stream, realizing these currents of wind could enable balloons to reach United States shores in just a couple of days. The balloons remained afloat through an elaborate mechanism that triggered a fuse when the balloon dropped in altitude, releasing a sandbag and lightening the weight enough for it to rise back up. This process would repeat until all that remained was the bomb itself. By then, the balloons would be expected to reach the mainland; an estimated 1,000 out of 9,000 launched made the journey. Between the fall of 1944 and summer of 1945, several hundred incidents connected to the balloons had been cataloged.

The balloons not only required engineering acumen, but a massive logistical effort. Schoolgirls were conscripted to labor in factories manufacturing the balloons, which were made of endless reams of paper and held together by a paste made of konnyaku, a potato-like vegetable. The girls worked long, exhausting shifts, their contributions to this wartime project shrouded in silence. The massive balloons would then be launched, timed carefully to optimize the wind currents of the jet stream and reach the United States. Engineers hoped that the weapons’ impact would be compounded by forest fires, inflicting terror through both the initial explosion and an ensuing conflagration. That goal was stymied in part by the fact that they arrived during the rainy season, but had this goal been realized, these balloons may have been much more than an overlooked episode in a vast war.

As reports of isolated sightings (and theories on how they got there, ranging from submarines to saboteurs) made their way into a handful of news reports over the Christmas holiday, government officials stepped in to censor stories about the bombs, worrying that fear itself might soon magnify the effect of these new weapons. The reverse principle also applied—while the American public was largely in the dark in the early months of 1945, so were those who were launching these deadly weapons. Japanese officers later told the Associated Press that “they finally decided the weapon was worthless and the whole experiment useless, because they had repeatedly listened to [radio broadcasts] and had heard no further mention of the balloons.” Ironically, the Japanese had ceased launching them shortly before the picnicking children had stumbled across one.

However successful censorship had been in discouraging further launches, this very censorship “made it difficult to warn the people of the bomb danger,” writes Mikesh. “The risk seemed justified as weeks went by and no casualties were reported.” After that luck ran out with the Gearheart Mountain deaths, officials were forced to rethink their approach. On May 22, the War Department issued a statement confirming the bombs’ origin and nature “so the public may be aware of the possible danger and to reassure the nation that the attacks are so scattered and aimless that they constitute no military threat.” The statement was measured to provide sufficient information to avoid further casualties, but without giving the enemy encouragement. But by then, Germany’s surrender dominated headlines. Word of the Bly, Oregon, deaths—and the strange mechanism that had killed them – was overshadowed by the dizzying pace of the finale in the European theater.

The silence meant that for decades, grieving families were sometimes met with skepticism or outright disbelief. The balloon bombs have been so overlooked that during the making of the documentary On Paper Wings, several of those who lost family members told filmmaker Ilana Sol of reactions to their unusual stories. “They would be telling someone about the loss of their sibling and that person just didn’t believe them,” Sol recalls.

While much of the American public may have forgotten, the families in Bly never would. The effects of that moment would reverberate throughout the Mitchell family, shifting the trajectory of their lives in unexpected ways. Two years later, Rev. Mitchell would go on to marry the Betty Patzke, the elder sibling out of ten children in Dick and Joan Patzke’s family (they lost another brother fighting in the war), and fulfill the dream he and Elsye once shared of going overseas as missionaries. (Rev. Mitchell was later kidnapped from a leprosarium while he and Betty were serving as missionaries in Vietnam; 57 years later his fate remains unknown).

“When you talk about something like that, as bad as it seems when that happened and everything, I look at my four children, they never would have been, and I’m so thankful for all four of my children and my ten grandchildren. They wouldn’t have been if that tragedy hadn’t happened,” Betty Mitchell told Sol in an interview.

The Bly incident also struck a chord decades later in Japan. In the late 1980s, University of Michigan professor Yuzuru “John” Takeshita, who as a child had been incarcerated as a Japanese-American in California during the war and was committed to healing efforts in the decades after, learned that the wife of a childhood friend had built the bombs as a young girl. He facilitated a correspondence between the former schoolgirls and the residents of Bly whose community had been turned upside down by one of the bombs they built. The women folded 1,000 paper cranes as a symbol of regret for the lives lost. On Paper Wings shows them meeting face-to-face in Bly decades later. Those gathered embodied a sentiment echoed by the Mitchell family. “It was a tragic thing that happened,” says Judy McGinnis-Sloan, Betty Mitchell’s niece. “But they have never been bitter over it.”

These loss of these six lives puts into relief the scale of loss in the enormity of a war that swallowed up entire cities. At the same time as Bly residents were absorbing the loss they had endured, over the spring and summer of 1945 more than 60 Japanese cities burned – including the infamous firebombing of Tokyo. On August 6, 1945, the first atomic bomb was dropped on the city of Hiroshima, followed three days later by another on Nagasaki. In total, an estimated 500,000 or more Japanese civilians would be killed. Sol recalls “working on these interviews and just thinking my God, this one death caused so much pain, what if it was everyone and everything? And that’s really what the Japanese people went through.”

In August of 1945, days after Japan announced its surrender, nearby Klamath Falls’ Herald and News published a retrospective, noting that “it was only by good luck that other tragedies were averted” but noted that balloon bombs still loomed in the vast West that likely remained undiscovered. “And so ends a sensational chapter of the war,” it noted. “But Klamathites were reminded that it still can have a tragic sequel.”

While the tragedy of that day in Bly has not been repeated, the sequel remains a real—if remote—possibility. In 2014, a couple of forestry workers in Canada came across one of the unexploded balloon bombs, which still posed enough of a danger that a military bomb disposal unit had to blow it up. Nearly three-quarters of a century later, these unknown remnants are a reminder that even the most overlooked scars of war are slow to fade.

Re: Nuclear War

by tim » Tue May 06, 2025 6:51 am

https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventure ... ii_in_baja
By spring of 1942, General George S. Patton Jr. had moved into the Indio and Brawley area and put into place a desert training center for his tanks and armored equipment hindering any further small scale attacks from the desert or Mexico. Near the end of April or early May of 1942, U.S. Military Intelligence learned the Japanese had put to sea the small but fast Japanese 5th Fleet, commanded by Vice Admiral Hosagaya Boshiro and consisting of two light carriers and a seaplane carrier at its core, along with support ships; two strike forces, and his flagship group, comprising a heavy cruiser and two destroyers, protecting supply ships — configured in what appeared to be a potential invasion force. By June 3, 1942, Patton was convinced the fleet’s final destination was to invade Mexico by landing on the beaches of Baja California, then move north into California. Patton positioned almost his full complement of officers and men, albeit not yet anywhere near fully trained, within striking distance right on top of the border to move south within minutes to meet any invading Japanese force. The suspected Japanese invasion fleet eventually landed on Kiska Island in the Aleutian Chain on June 6, 1942.

From Scott Manning: What if Japan Invaded Mexico in June of 1942?

WWII Baja Map
Upon hearing the news that the Japanese had an invasion fleet somewhere in the Pacific, General Patton put his troops into high gear. He believed the most logical spot for the invasion fleet was Mexico. America’s southern neighbor had just joined in the war against Japan in May. The general told his troops, “Mexico will not be able to stop any invasion. The beaches of this Lower California Bay are superior for landing a large invasion force. Several hundred thousand men could be landed on this beach! It will be easy to run through Mexico. Los Angeles is only a short distance from Mexico.”

The goal of hitting Orange County and Los Angeles would be to take out the two largest producers of aircraft for America at the time. It was all too obvious for General Patton, “Any fool knows this would be the best objective for the Japanese. If they knock out our aircraft production and get a force into Los Angeles, we are in for a long war. We will prepare to meet the bastards on the beaches of Mexico!”

Re: Nuclear War

by tim » Tue May 06, 2025 6:43 am

https://jrnyquist.blog/2025/04/23/the-c ... with-lude/
Interview with Lude

JRN: With Trump’s zig-zag course, what do these Chinese CCP analysts think now of the strategic situation; especially about the tariffs Trump is putting on China? Do you have intelligence on this? (Trump hinted he will lower these tariff’s on 23 April, but this is another instance of his unpredictability.)

LUDE: Three months after Trump became president the CCP realized he is directly targeting the CCP. Xi Jinping realizes the relationship cannot be fixed and military conflict must begin. His agents near Trump have failed and he realizes he must plan an escalation. Economically, the CCP absolutely cannot hold out in this tariff war. They cannot win it. The economic situation is very bad for China. They are extremely fearful. They are preparing to decouple from the United States. They understand that full scale blockade is coming soon. Trump says the relationship with China is good, but this is a tactic. Xi sees Trump moving closer to Russia and damaging China. He sees Trump is going for this.

JRN: Given what you told me in our last interview, about CCP agents around Trump, and knowing that Trump would go for a Russian alliance, you said they were confident of Russia’s loyalty to Beijing. Are the CCP leaders planning to start their war in the fall when Russia invades the Baltic States? Are we headed to World War III?

LUDE: First, Russia has long wanted to take over the Baltic States, but the resistance is very strong and it is not easy because the U.S. and NATO have drawn a strong red line. The situation is not the same with Ukraine. Although Russia has that ambition, to take the Baltic countries, Ukraine is the first priority. Russia’s focus will be on the Ukraine War. The reverse Nixon strategy is seen as a solution to that for Putin, who wants to pretend to side with America. Russia is not that stupid to initiate a war directly against NATO on the Baltic States. Pushing on the Baltic States will guarantee European rearmament.

JRN: Most analysts thought Putin was not stupid enough to attack Ukraine, but he attacked Ukraine. People say he is not stupid enough to attack the Baltic States, but he is preparing to do so. Right now the Russians can assemble attack forces much faster than NATO can organize defense. Russia has an advantage now, and will lose that advantage in three years. Furthermore, I have sources who think Trump intends to withdraw from NATO. Does the CCP think the U.S. will withdraw from NATO?

LUDE: I confirmed, in advance, before the Ukraine War started, that war in Ukraine is possible. Ukraine is fundamentally different from the Baltic States. Even if Russia intended to launch an invasion, they will revert to caution. Russia will go to Poland and isolate the Baltic States rather than launch a fullscale assault. Also, capturing the Baltic States is not significant now. The strategic direction has shifted to the East. Baltic States was a critical battle, but Russia is now interested in the Far Eastern region. These areas are of strategic importance to Russia for over a century. Of course, Trump might withdraw from NATO. But Russia lacks the ability to threaten the way China does. Russia’s ambition is just territory. This cannot compare with China’s ambition, which is to dismantle the American world order and trading system. They are targeting the world order and China has more global influence.

JRN: Are you suggesting that China is preparing for war now? Did I understand correctly?

LUDE: Xi fully realizes that if China wants to be a true great power, it must go through a major war. The U.S. and its alliance must be mentally prepared because such a conflict is now difficult to avoid. Xi is now making comprehensive preparations for war. Xi wants control of international discourse and to take the lead, and this cannot be achieved with unrestricted warfare alone. This cannot be achieved without a major war. You cannot go from being the number two economic power to the economic number one power without a war.

JRN: Surely China can only go to war with America if Russia is on China’s side.

LUDE: Xi definitely wants and needs Russia’s support, however, it does not seem Russia will provide support against the U.S. directly because historically Russia and China have been rivals. Their alliance is based on temporary interests. So, they are not able to stay together as strong allies indefinitely.

JRN: I have information that shows a different picture. Are you saying that Russia actually intends to side with President Trump? You had previously said, in our last interview, that the CCP was confident of Moscow’s loyalty. How can the CCP expect to fight a war against America with Russia being disloyal to China? The CCP would be defeated. If China is pressed by U.S. tariffs, then China needs Russia more than ever.

LUDE: Russia has always been represented as a double-headed eagle. Why is it looking East? Japan before was deceived by the Soviet Union in the past. Japan fought against China, and when Japan launched the Pearl Harbor attack the Russians turned against them later. In Asia there is this mentality of spiritual victory, that the Japanese already won the Russo-Japanese War, so the double-headed eagle is prone to change repeatedly. Xi believes Putin will help him. The final result will be similar to Japan’s experience. Japan made a nonaggression pact with the Soviet Union, and Moscow broke that deal in 1945. The West cannot deal with the Asia problem, and this worries Moscow. The West cares too much about their soldier’s lives. So Russia believes the West will retreat and China might become too strong. Japan wanted a peace treaty after Pearl Harbor, and hoped for a short war. We know this was a miscalculation by Tokyo. We know that China is making this same miscalculation. Xi is very embarrassed when Trump launched Tariff war against him. He appealed to South Korea and Japan, but no one joined Xi in alliance against the U.S. tariffs. Initially, China offered Japan and Korea to fight against the U.S. trade policy, but the Japanese and South Koreans would not join with China.

JRN: So when will China begin this war?

LUDE: It is hard to say. It depends on how quickly the U.S. moves to decouple with the CCP. At the beginning of the year our information said China was hiring new people. With the tariff they are all shutting down. If the extreme pressure continues the resulting unemployment waves will shift the focus to the public. Unrest could be triggered. Xi would like to lead the Chinese people to the battlefield to relieve the pressure. If the pressure is less, it will happen slower. They still believe there is a chance for peace if the Democrats win the midterm election. If the Democratic Party wins Congress Xi believes he will get another chance and he will get relief.

JRN: So there is no plan to begin a war by the end of the year?

LUDE: Xi Jinping has many folks looking to these midterm elections. Xi cannot decide on war alone. There are many other factors affecting a decision for war. A spark or unexpected escalation can trigger a war. If the U.S. has shipping restrictions on Chinese ships, tensions will be very high. Anything can happen when tensions are high.

JRN: It is almost a certainty the Democrats will take control of Congress in the U.S. midterm elections next years.

LUDE: In the current situation Xi sees the midterm election as his lifeline. This is what Xi sees. Xi is merely reacting to the present situation. He does not have a comprehensive grasp of the situation. He realizes that his influence on Washington has significantly diminished. How things unfold, this or that way, is not up to Xi now. It still depends on the strategy of the Trump administration.

JRN: What of this previous assessment of Trump by CCP analysts? They thought his unpredictability was not a problem. They thought they understood Trump. But Trump has proved to be insanely erratic. Do they still think Trump is going to be tricked by Russia in Ukraine?

LUDE: Xi is very angry because he believes he has been misled by his agents. Xi’s agents claimed they had control of Trump. He sees Trump targeting China and did not expect it to happen and it happened. Xi spent a lot of money and these agents failed. Trump’s tariffs are very aggressive.

JRN: Presently the tariffs have been paused for 90 days. Is that right?

LUDE: The 90 day pause does not apply to China. There are exemptions for smart phones and certain computer items. They do not give exemption for all goods. This is a broad strategy, which picks things that trouble America the most. So this is going to hurt China’s trade. Shipping exceptions are made for goods in transit. This is not going to continue. This is to protect major American brands. I believe that once this exception batch is delivered the tariff will become higher.

JRN: Is there a danger that China’s economy could collapse from the shock of this?

LUDE: Now that China’s economy is on the verge of collapse, this pressure could lead to complete breakdown. In fact, a complete breakdown is inevitable. I believe that once all trade agreements are finalized after 90 days, if the new trade system excludes China, then China’s economy will collapse.

JRN: Does the CCP have to go to war if China’s economy begins to collapse?

LUDE: I believe the war will begin with small-scale conflict. The main purpose would be to use local conflict to address unemployment problem. There are no signs China would directly declare war on the U.S., however, U.S. intervention in a local conflict China will declare war.

JRN: You had previously stated that China wanted the next major war to be fought on American soil, and that China was infiltrating 250,000 PLA reservists into the United States. Is that plan still in effect? Or has it been abandoned as impractical?

LUDE: That plan is continuous and will persist whether or not there is a war, because this is their strategy. This infiltration will not stop. This will help them to sabotage the U.S. economy.

JRN: Couldn’t they win a war through this infiltration method into the United States?

LUDE: If the U.S. does not pay attention or take countermeasures, but the Trump administration has begun a forceful cleanup. The infiltration operation has been hurt. The U.S. military bases have strengthened their defenses and the administration is blocking the southern infiltration route. Thus, the infiltration power has been closed off.

JRN: But haven’t they already infiltrated many thousands? They’ve had so much time to infiltrate. Don’t they have everyone they need already?

LUDE: The CCP strategy is called “human wave” tactic which depends on continuous infiltration. The Chinese are not like Russian infiltration. The Russian operators are highly skilled. The CCP uses numbers, and needs 12 times the number of the Russian operatives. You can see how this works. They use these people as part of a mass movement. They can get and effect only with numbers.

JRN: So China is still too weak to have a war on American soil?

LUDE: CCP does not think of themselves as weak. The timing is not right. The best timing is required for the start of the big war. The CCP is using ordinary people to wage a people’s war. The CCP sees the U.S. as the weaker party. But once they have the stronger hand, they will act. This will evolve from a direct battlefield confrontation. There could be economic events, or social disturbances. This is how they see it.

JRN: Is there anything Americans should know that we have not touched on?

LUDE: People need to be aware that the CCP is preparing an offense, and the U.S. is always in a defensive position. The damage is always on the American side. The offensive approach is not only good for hot wars. We cannot afford to wait until a hot war happens since we will be at a disadvantage. America needs to bring war to the enemy’s turf.

JRN: This has been interesting and informative as always. Thank you.

Re: Nuclear War

by tim » Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:56 am

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/p ... 3057-4.pdf
Summary
The threats the United States faces are the most serious and most challenging the nation has encountered since 1945 and include the potential for near-term major war. The United States last fought a global conflict during World War II, which ended nearly 80 years ago. The nation was last prepared for such a fight during the Cold War, which ended 35 years ago. It is not prepared today.

China and Russia are major powers that seek to undermine U.S. influence. The 2022 National Defense Strategy (NDS) recognizes these nations as the top threats to the United States and declares China to be the “pacing challenge,” based on the strength of its military and economy and its intent to exert dominance regionally and globally.1

The Commission finds that, in many ways, China is outpacing the United States and has largely negated the U.S. military advantage in the Western Pacific through two decades of focused military investment. Without significant change by the United States, the balance of power will continue to shift in China’s favor. China’s overall annual spending on defense is estimated at as much as $711 billion,2 and the Chinese government in March 2024 announced an increase in annual defense spending of 7.2 percent.3

Russia will devote 29 percent of its federal budget this year on national defense as it continues to reconstitute its military and economy after its failed initial invasion of Ukraine in 2022.4 Russia possesses considerable strategic, space, and cyber capabilities and under Vladimir Putin
seeks a return to its global leadership role of the Cold War.

Re: Nuclear War

by FullMoon » Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:19 pm

Guest wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:31 pm
FullMoon wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:00 pm
I think this is what you posted on years ago, right?
It is a little funny when "guest" says "guest" posted something years ago...
Given the condition of our current leadership, at this time nobody is really willing to sacrifice for the collective good. That's why John talked about the Regency, in which a shock severe enough to put the fear of death into people's hearts and make them abandon superficial differences in the fight for the collective survival. It's probably the only way anyone will be willing to sacrifice at this time of extreme selfishness and disheartening loss of faith in the nation.
There won't be a "winner" of the global war. Only losers. I've heard reports that the CCP is preparing for a protracted war with anticipated losses much higher than anything tolerable in the West. They plan to suffer it out and sacrifice a huge chunk of their population, hoping we cave in or collapse. Maybe they're like a lot of the nihilistic wealthy and have fabulous bunkers and think that they'd be happier if they stayed there for a year or two if it meant elimination of all the useless eaters as they call humanity.
Sometimes the divisions are so deep, war won't overcome them. Case in point: Russia in 1917. The Reds cut a bad deal with the Germans and destroyed Russia in a civil war. I see that happening again. Open borders have left us with tens of millions of people (including millions of anchor babies) that hate America and Americans, especially white people. We have all experienced it. Just as in the UK, Pakistani grooming gangs have raped hundreds of thousands of native white British girls, the Pakistanis will also violently rebel across the UK when WW3 breaks out when Pakistan sides with China.

How is 20% of the US population (illegals and their children) going to march off to war in support of a country they really don't care about? Watch what they say on social media about the free housing and welfare benefits they get with a sneer. They hate us. Also, low intelligence prevents them from seeing the large picture. We are in trouble. FM. People like Bob Butler live in a strange fantasy land and deny reality. These people have allowed disaster and lawlessness to destroy us.

I am grateful that my mother didn't live long enough to see all of this.
We're on the same page here. I don't think trying to figure out logistics right now is an effective use of time. Navigator has described the military dimension better than anything that I could. From my perspective, any bad mouthing from a foreign immigration is probably because they see the bad conditions here that we all lament about anyway. Nobody wants to fight for the country right now, it's in terrible shape with horribly low morale. And the election season chaos will just make it worse.

Re: Nuclear War

by Guest » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:31 pm

FullMoon wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:00 pm
I think this is what you posted on years ago, right?
It is a little funny when "guest" says "guest" posted something years ago...
Given the condition of our current leadership, at this time nobody is really willing to sacrifice for the collective good. That's why John talked about the Regency, in which a shock severe enough to put the fear of death into people's hearts and make them abandon superficial differences in the fight for the collective survival. It's probably the only way anyone will be willing to sacrifice at this time of extreme selfishness and disheartening loss of faith in the nation.
There won't be a "winner" of the global war. Only losers. I've heard reports that the CCP is preparing for a protracted war with anticipated losses much higher than anything tolerable in the West. They plan to suffer it out and sacrifice a huge chunk of their population, hoping we cave in or collapse. Maybe they're like a lot of the nihilistic wealthy and have fabulous bunkers and think that they'd be happier if they stayed there for a year or two if it meant elimination of all the useless eaters as they call humanity.
Sometimes the divisions are so deep, war won't overcome them. Case in point: Russia in 1917. The Reds cut a bad deal with the Germans and destroyed Russia in a civil war. I see that happening again. Open borders have left us with tens of millions of people (including millions of anchor babies) that hate America and Americans, especially white people. We have all experienced it. Just as in the UK, Pakistani grooming gangs have raped hundreds of thousands of native white British girls, the Pakistanis will also violently rebel across the UK when WW3 breaks out when Pakistan sides with China.

How is 20% of the US population (illegals and their children) going to march off to war in support of a country they really don't care about? Watch what they say on social media about the free housing and welfare benefits they get with a sneer. They hate us. Also, low intelligence prevents them from seeing the large picture. We are in trouble. FM. People like Bob Butler live in a strange fantasy land and deny reality. These people have allowed disaster and lawlessness to destroy us.

I am grateful that my mother didn't live long enough to see all of this.

Re: Nuclear War

by FullMoon » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:00 pm

I think this is what you posted on years ago, right?
It is a little funny when "guest" says "guest" posted something years ago...
Given the condition of our current leadership, at this time nobody is really willing to sacrifice for the collective good. That's why John talked about the Regency, in which a shock severe enough to put the fear of death into people's hearts and make them abandon superficial differences in the fight for the collective survival. It's probably the only way anyone will be willing to sacrifice at this time of extreme selfishness and disheartening loss of faith in the nation.
There won't be a "winner" of the global war. Only losers. I've heard reports that the CCP is preparing for a protracted war with anticipated losses much higher than anything tolerable in the West. They plan to suffer it out and sacrifice a huge chunk of their population, hoping we cave in or collapse. Maybe they're like a lot of the nihilistic wealthy and have fabulous bunkers and think that they'd be happier if they stayed there for a year or two if it meant elimination of all the useless eaters as they call humanity.

Re: Nuclear War

by Guest » Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:19 pm

Guest wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:22 am
The West cannot possibly win the next global war, for two salient reasons:

1) Multiculturalism. We have a significant percentage of the population who would have - at best - questionnable allegiance to the West. They are equally as likely to support the other side of a global war. For instance, if say the next world war was NATO and Israel, versus Russia, Iran, and let's say Pakistan sided with them - then who do you imagine a certain large community in the UK would side with?

2) The emasculation of men. For decades Western media have vilified masculinity, and have made straight, white men the pantomime villain and butt of every joke. Do you honestly think they will give up their lives to defend such a culture? I wouldn't bet on it...
Excellent analysis.

We need Spartans, not social justice warriors.

America and Western Europe have spent decades denigrating and humiliating white males, and now the elites want us to sacrifice ourselves in wars against Russia and China? Ugh. Won't happen.

I hope pandemics destroy enemy armies before they can attack us. Monkey pox, now renamed Mpox, is making its way across Africa again, only the current strain is much stronger and contagious. Maybe America will get lucky and we will be reduced to small towns.

I think this is what you posted on years ago, right?

Re: Nuclear War

by FullMoon » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:48 pm

Guesr wrote:
Tue May 07, 2024 1:33 am
I don't see the Russians launching a nuclear war. The Chinese, yes. Putin doesn't want to give up his lifestyle. Xi is a row minded idiot that really believes he can win a nuclear war :|
The Russians might have to use a few but probably not many. Xi will use some because they're just so effective at eliminating a target area, like a carrier group or military installation. If they think they've got a good plan and the time becomes opportunitistic, that's what they're waiting for. In fact they'll use any and all means of waging war at their disposal without any thought given to the "morality" of it. Winning is the only objective and the winner will write the history to their own benefit. They'll do anything to win.
People think Putin is crazy but he's civilized compared to Xi.

Re: Nuclear War

by FullMoon » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:38 pm

Guest wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:31 am
Trying to follow news on the Russia-Ukraine War is difficult because 95% of the channels covering it just choose one side to "support" and only report news favourable to that side.

It's extremely difficult to find any objective reporting on the conflict. Most coverage is more like fans cheering on their favourite sportsball team. We really are living in a post-truth world.
I'd have to agree with this. There's so much history and money in this legacy conflict that everyone has built up tons of ways to promote their "product", which is death and destruction. That's what the MIC is all about. NOT a better world.
It also applies to domestic US politics. If it wasn't so damaging and dangerous it might be easier to ignore.

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