CH86 wrote:FishbellykanakaDude wrote:....
But ANY war is your side killing the enemy until they Surrender/Sue for peace/Are destroyed(,) same with the enemy trying to kill your people. But in the case of WW2 that was going on since September 1939 if not earlier. The reason I pinpointed July 1941 as the turning point, and not the more generally recognized turning points of D-Day, Pearl Harbor, Stalingrad, etc; is because around this time the world ceased to recognize the legitimacy of Germany's government.
War (aka "physical persuasion") is the infliction of pain on "the enemy" sufficient to "persuade" the enemy to discontinue being an "irritant" to the "pain giving" party.
Genocidal war is the method that the "pain giving" party uses when they "panic" and believe they must utterly destroy the enemy to save themself. In other words; The object is no longer persuasion, but rather extinction.
Hitler's Germany made it quite clear that they were trying to extinguish every non-German (as per Hitler) culture, which elicited the panic that changed the "mode" of the war from "persuasion" to "extinction".
Hitler's Germany needed to be exterminated.
... The point I'm trying to make was that the world generally rejected the legitimacy of Germany's government and society around this time.
What I'm saying is that by doing so western civilization at that moment entered a period of decline that continues to this day,... because the world rejected the New forms of Human interaction proposed by Germany and Germany's Leaders in June of 1941 and by doing so, western civilization stopped growing culturally.
Any one nation is free to "reject the legitimacy" of anything they choose.
Your implication is that it's not legitimate to have rejected Germany's government's legitimacy.
That is a ludicrous implication. What "protects" a nation (Germany in this case) from having it's government's legitimacy rejected?
I understand that you would prefer it if tyrants, such as yourself, were protected within their own borders by "international law", but it just ain't so, buckeroo!
You piss people off, you get to pay for it. The principle is rather obvious, n'est-ce pas?
Your use of the word "growing" rather alludes me, by the way. Explanation from you on this might be fun!
The Contemporary world refused to accept that Germans although the enemy in the war, were soldiers fighting for their country just like in other countries. They refused to accept the very notion that Germans were good people in Poland and Belarus in particular, and that Germany's leaders were regular well Rounded people Just like other countries leaders and citizens. The contemporary world refused to accept the idea that they (the Germans) Just happened [by] (to be) the enemy in the war and that we were simply at war with Them,..
Hmmm,.. how is it that the demonstrated behavior of Hitler's Germany didn't legitimately create the necessary panic in it's enemies to snap the mode of war from "persuasion" to "extermination"?
...instead the majority of the world's citizens instead chose to regard the Germans and their government/leaders in particular, as inhuman, almost demonic beasts.
And the necessary "characterization" of an enemy that is seen as an exterminator that requires preemptive extermination is to remove their humanity, making them demonic non-human beasts, to assuage the guilt of the only very temporarily acceptable tack of genocidal warfare.
Why is this difficult for you to understand?