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Re: MAGA

by Guest » Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:29 pm

Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:08 pm
spottybrowncow wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:52 pm
On another note, you are obviously obsessed with the word "MAGA." I'm pretty realistic, more conservative than some, more liberal than many, yet I don't have a clear grasp of what a "MAGA" is. Would you be good enough to tell us, definitively ,what you mean by "MAGA?"
MAGA is of course ‘Make America Great Again’, which is Trump’s primary slogan. If you favor Trump, some will call you part of MAGA. Still, different people support Trump for different reasons. You might agree with one and find others irrelevant or bad in some way. So, what are some of his policies that might garner support or incite dislike?

Some religious people oppose abortion. Some bigots oppose minorities. Some whites believe the US is an euro centric nation thus they should force European behaviors on the supposedly equal but different. Some elites want lower tax rates on elites. (Duh.) While some might believe several of the above, I suspect few would be all of the above. Not all devout people, bigots and elites are the others.

And each group has its opposite. Women favor family planning. Minorities oppose cultural aggression. Poorer people want the rich to pay their fair share towards government. I guess I sympathize with all these groups.

Then too part of Trumps policies are more Trump than the broad rural population plus the Wall Street Journal readers. The Republican economic policy seems to be tax breaks for the rich and deficit spending. This I would disagree with. Then too I don’t support weaponizing the Justice Department, fake electors or insurrection. I don’t think a lot of people do. Putin is not my favorite person. I oppose Trump more than MAGA as such.

Could I ask for alternate ideas on how America could be made great again? Why would you support a racist criminal? Asking me to articulate MAGA is hardly likely to result in a favorable result. Is there anyone who thinks Trump is cool enough to ignore his obvious flaws? Why?

I agree having more fathers present would be desirable, but do not see how this disproves the leaded gas hypotheses. There is more than one factor in inducing crime.
How many people have you actually met or do you personally know that fit your description of MAGA?

Stereotyping

by Bob Butler » Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:46 pm

spottybrowncow wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:14 pm
Biden has a far worse track record on racism than Trump...
Hmm. I note that instead of defining or defending MAGA you attacked Biden. Allowed, but it indicates you think MAGA cannot be defended. Does everyone else agree? Did I get it wrong, mischaracterize the various elements?

Yes, the ghetto mindset exists. Yes, there are drug addicts who rob to continue their habits and pushers who belong with Trump behind bars. Laws that further that end are good and proper. It is just that as there is more than one form of MAGA supporter there are many forms of minorities. A racist will tend to lump all members of a minority together. All members of the minority are associated by a racist with the worst criminals. As an engineer I worked with several minority engineers who did not fit the criminal gang member stereotype at all. I suspect Biden thinks the same way. You incarcerate the criminals and leave others alone, no matter the skin pigment.

Re: MAGA

by spottybrowncow » Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:14 pm

Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:08 pm
Why would you support a racist criminal?
Biden has a far worse track record on racism than Trump. Biden has helped pass legislation incarcerating blacks, and called them "predators."
People who do things like that never change. He still values blacks only for their votes, and spits upon them otherwise.

Here is a candid video showing what blacks really think of Trump. This video will come as a shock to people who get all their news from MSNBC, CNN, etc because they would never show the video because it doesn't fit their "Orange Man Bad" narrative. This was filmed next to a center of HBCU in Atlanta, so the people in the video are likely able to think for themselves and don't succumb to false progressive narratives.
In other words, they are one of the democrats worst problems. Wait, do they like him because he bought them milkshakes??? OMG, that sounded so RACIST!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TTbdjhNEK4

MAGA

by Bob Butler » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:08 pm

spottybrowncow wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:52 pm
On another note, you are obviously obsessed with the word "MAGA." I'm pretty realistic, more conservative than some, more liberal than many, yet I don't have a clear grasp of what a "MAGA" is. Would you be good enough to tell us, definitively ,what you mean by "MAGA?"
MAGA is of course ‘Make America Great Again’, which is Trump’s primary slogan. If you favor Trump, some will call you part of MAGA. Still, different people support Trump for different reasons. You might agree with one and find others irrelevant or bad in some way. So, what are some of his policies that might garner support or incite dislike?

Some religious people oppose abortion. Some bigots oppose minorities. Some whites believe the US is an euro centric nation thus they should force European behaviors on the supposedly equal but different. Some elites want lower tax rates on elites. (Duh.) While some might believe several of the above, I suspect few would be all of the above. Not all devout people, bigots and elites are the others.

And each group has its opposite. Women favor family planning. Minorities oppose cultural aggression. Poorer people want the rich to pay their fair share towards government. I guess I sympathize with all these groups.

Then too part of Trumps policies are more Trump than the broad rural population plus the Wall Street Journal readers. The Republican economic policy seems to be tax breaks for the rich and deficit spending. This I would disagree with. Then too I don’t support weaponizing the Justice Department, fake electors or insurrection. I don’t think a lot of people do. Putin is not my favorite person. I oppose Trump more than MAGA as such.

Could I ask for alternate ideas on how America could be made great again? Why would you support a racist criminal? Asking me to articulate MAGA is hardly likely to result in a favorable result. Is there anyone who thinks Trump is cool enough to ignore his obvious flaws? Why?

I agree having more fathers present would be desirable, but do not see how this disproves the leaded gas hypotheses. There is more than one factor in inducing crime.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by spottybrowncow » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:56 pm

I PM'd him a few days ago for same reason, but haven't heard back. Maybe Higgie knows more.
I encourage those who believe in such things to pray for John, we owe him a lot.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Trevor » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:48 pm

Has anyone heard from John? He hasn't posted for almost 2 months.

Re: Leaded Gas and Crime Rates

by spottybrowncow » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:07 pm

Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 1:19 pm
It is proposed that chronic lead exposure led to violence and crime.
Pooh.
It is known that fatherlessness leads to crime (and a lnumber of other undesirable things), whether in people or elephants.

https://beyondthesestonewalls.com/posts ... ts-and-men

Thanks to the welfare state, which penalizes men in the home.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by spottybrowncow » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:52 pm

Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:09 am
spottybrowncow wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:56 pm
That must be some damn good Kool-Aid, Bob.
See? MAGA supporters can convince themselves of anything.
I said "must be" because I haven't drunk any, therefore I don't know with certainty. But I know which way I'd bet.

On another note, you are obviously obsessed with the word "MAGA." I'm pretty realistic, more conservative than some, more liberal than many, yet I don't have a clear grasp of what a "MAGA" is. Would you be good enough to tell us, definitively ,what you mean by "MAGA?"

Blue State Population Decrease

by Bob Butler » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:35 pm

Higgenbotham wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:32 pm
One good source nowadays is WalMart or any chain having problems with organized retail crime, which is pretty much all of them. For the most part, they are shuttering stores in blue states where crime is out of control and opening new stores in red states.
I did a Google search on 'blue state population decrease' and can confirm that the dozens of articles exist. If curious, repeat the search.

Leaded Gas and Crime Rates

by Bob Butler » Sun Jun 16, 2024 1:19 pm

Guest wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:14 pm

Another poster already showed everyone that Biden admin crime stats are fraudulent. You refuse to accept it.

I bet you believe that "crime is at a 50-year low".

Next you will be quoting Russian and North Korean government stats...
Of course. No source. If conservatives don’t like real world data, they make something up. You can’t take them seriously.

I looked up the crime rate and if you squint at the chart, we are at a 50 year low. Barely. Sorta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_ ... States.svg

I don’t know if you are aware of the link between the crime rate and lead additives in gasoline? It is proposed that chronic lead exposure led to violence and crime. This is supported by the crime rate going up when lead was added to gas, and dropping when it was removed, as well as medical opinions. Lots of other factors. The auto industry is trying to suppress the theory as it reflects poorly on them. Still, looking at the 50 year crime history, the huge bump in crime corresponding to leaded gas is obvious. We are just now coming down from that peak, a peak which makes the Trump bump look small. The bump is about 50 years. Perhaps it has little to do with economics, immigration or minorities. It might reflect another issue entirely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead–crime_hypothesis

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