by OLD1953 » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:12 am
This has to be one of the most gagging statements I've ever read, "If we genuinely want peace, what is there to stop us from meeting today and beginning peace negotiations?".
He needs a list? From which side? Maybe we could start with the hilltop youth?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 53,00.html
http://fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node/346
http://www.robertharding.com/817-267596.shtml
Given they have the most to lose if any kind of realistic border is established, we have to assume they'll go on with their historical stance of chasing all persons not Israeli Jews out of Palestine, and turning out huge votes against any kind of peace settlement. Yes, that says exactly what I meant, they do not like either Palestine Jews or Christians, again, that's well documented. This is not a Muslim thing, it's a "grab land for profit" thing covered up as religious. Funny how religious movements "against" some group of second class citizens always wind up with the land, everywhere. And that, incidentally, is still ongoing in the USA, and do you really want me to drop the links here? People don't mind seeing other's warts, but get pretty emotional over their own.
And John has throughly documented the desire of Hamas leadership for conflict to continue, without it, they'd be out of power. Any claim that "peace" revolves around some odd "reluctance" to discuss some imaginary means of ensuring security is ridiculous on the face of it. If that was all that was required, a few thousand UN peacekeepers setting up ID checkpoints would do the job in a jiffy. Abbas has already said he'd want a US led force to keep peace if statehood for Palestine became a fact.
The US-Pakistan relationship is doomed, the only question is how long is the road to get to the end.
This has to be one of the most gagging statements I've ever read, "If we genuinely want peace, what is there to stop us from meeting today and beginning peace negotiations?".
He needs a list? From which side? Maybe we could start with the hilltop youth?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,643253,00.html
http://fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node/346
http://www.robertharding.com/817-267596.shtml
Given they have the most to lose if any kind of realistic border is established, we have to assume they'll go on with their historical stance of chasing all persons not Israeli Jews out of Palestine, and turning out huge votes against any kind of peace settlement. Yes, that says exactly what I meant, they do not like either Palestine Jews or Christians, again, that's well documented. This is not a Muslim thing, it's a "grab land for profit" thing covered up as religious. Funny how religious movements "against" some group of second class citizens always wind up with the land, everywhere. And that, incidentally, is still ongoing in the USA, and do you really want me to drop the links here? People don't mind seeing other's warts, but get pretty emotional over their own.
And John has throughly documented the desire of Hamas leadership for conflict to continue, without it, they'd be out of power. Any claim that "peace" revolves around some odd "reluctance" to discuss some imaginary means of ensuring security is ridiculous on the face of it. If that was all that was required, a few thousand UN peacekeepers setting up ID checkpoints would do the job in a jiffy. Abbas has already said he'd want a US led force to keep peace if statehood for Palestine became a fact.
The US-Pakistan relationship is doomed, the only question is how long is the road to get to the end.