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[quote="John"]Dear Raymonde,

[quote="Raynote"]
> "Restrictions on religion, and religious conflicts, on the rise
> globally"

> And where do Atheists stand during a crisis era? Do they count for
> nothing?"[/quote]

Well, I've heard of Christian crusades, and Muslim jihads,
or sectarian wars between Protestants and Catholics
or between Sunnis and Shias. But I've never heard of
an atheist crusade, or an atheist jihad, or sectarian wars
between different kinds of atheists, so I guess that atheists
don't matter.

John[/quote]

Hmm - Atheists don't matter?

Atheists can very much get in your face and be quite antagonistic about things. Also they can act as catalysts causing problems for others. Like Marx and Lenin http://sfr-21.org/lenin-religion.html "Religion is opium for the people."

So where do Atheists fit in? Potential catalysts maybe? Marx and Lenin caused a bit of a stir.

In contrast to the Atheists you have the more individual and private Spiritualists and Wiccan http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_beli.htm practitioners of a form of so called witch craft.
Spiritualists, Wiccan and Agnostics tend to be more tolerant and truth seeking then many/most members of organized religion.

But it is true, organized religion is a major cause of problems and hostility among people, --- organized religion is part of the over all matrix of control, conflict and suppression of humanity for the benefit of the few..

Dear Raymonde,

[quote="Raynote"]
> "Restrictions on religion, and religious conflicts, on the rise
> globally"

> And where do Atheists stand during a crisis era? Do they count for
> nothing?"[/quote]

Well, I've heard of Christian crusades, and Muslim jihads,
or sectarian wars between Protestants and Catholics
or between Sunnis and Shias. But I've never heard of
an atheist crusade, or an atheist jihad, or sectarian wars
between different kinds of atheists, so I guess that atheists
don't matter.

John

[quote="OLD1953"]We cannot recover until one of two things happens, the laws are changed and ENFORCED so that many bankster/fraud artists go to jail, or we collapse so totally that they no longer have money to buy the politicians. The latter seems probable.
[/quote]

I would sort of reverse that. As long as the politicians can buy votes with newly made money, we will not recover. So we will collapse totally where US money becomes worthless and US politicians can no longer buy votes.

"Restrictions on religion, and religious conflicts, on the rise globally"

And where do [b]Atheists[/b] stand during a crisis era? Do they count for nothing?

old1953, that is what elections have been about since they started. Throw out the government history books and read the real stuff sometime. That was the state is, an organized crime syndicate. Just, it is much worse at some times than others.

You might note the 1980's S&L mess, together with a lot of big banks going down as well. There were quite a few politicians in Texas, including House Speaker Jim Wright that were tied up in the mess. Recall Neil Bush and the Colorado S&L and the Keating 5, which included John McCain. I bet half of Congress and a good portion of the executive branch of government would be impeached today if they broke into this stuff. I might also add that Goldman Sachs has largely controlled the Democratic Party since FDR, along with Brown Harriman. American politics is largely a battle between financial interests. I believe this is one reason the founding fathers meant for politics to be local and not national. Lincoln, who was a railroad lawyer, changed all of that. We have left the idea of a Constitutional Republic a million miles in the rear view mirror and are much closer to the systems set up in Europe by the Axis powers than most of us care to believe.

[quote="OLD1953"]There are some items considered of too much importance to society to allow money to be made from them, we don't allow people to make money by selling children into slavery (though I can support that with quotes from the Bible), we don't allow people to make money from selling heroin, we don't allow murder for hire, and we should not allow elections for profit, because it's selling our government to the highest bidder.[/quote]

But since making money from selling children into slavery, or selling heroin,
or murder for hire is very common, why should we care about something
so minor as selling our government to the highest bidder? Does it even
make any difference?

We cannot recover until one of two things happens, the laws are changed and ENFORCED so that many bankster/fraud artists go to jail, or we collapse so totally that they no longer have money to buy the politicians. The latter seems probable.

That's why it works the way it does, and buying the elections is why public funding of elections is totally demonized, because it would stop the constant campaigning and flow of money to the media centers.

There are some items considered of too much importance to society to allow money to be made from them, we don't allow people to make money by selling children into slavery (though I can support that with quotes from the Bible), we don't allow people to make money from selling heroin, we don't allow murder for hire, and we should not allow elections for profit, because it's selling our government to the highest bidder.

23-Sep-12 World View -- Religious conflict on the rise around the world


Why has Wall Street not been held accountable for financial crisis crimes?

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Restrictions on religion, and religious conflicts, on the rise globally
Why has Wall Street not been held accountable for financial crisis crimes?


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Generational Dynamics, Pew Research, religion, Switzerland,
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