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Re: 17-Feb-14 World View -- Egypt's terrorism escalates

by John » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:18 am

CrosstimbersOkie wrote: > John, it almost sounds like the Boomers have become the forgotten
> generation and never were really in charge of anything. Which is
> appropriate, because they never really grew up anyway.
Haha. I agree. I used to write about this all the time. Boomers
have never learned to manage things and make decisions. In the 60s,
they did as their GI/Silent parents told them, but they protested
against it. When their parents died, they let the Gen-Xers tell them
what to do. As for "they never really grew up," Gen-Xers are very
contemptuous of Boomers, but they react by adopting criminal behavior
(such as causing the financial crisis).
CrosstimbersOkie wrote: > This ethos may be new to some, but it's old to Generation-X. It
> comes from a childhood and young adulthood marked by
> deprivation. Gen-X never had anything but the leftovers others
> didn't want. It learned to make-do. It had to. But this mood fits
> the times just as it did between 1930 and 1943. This is a time
> when DYI will reign supreme because older generations are
> consuming the seed corn and an ethos of frugality is the only
> antidote.
I agree. The most important thing that Gen-Xers were deprived of were
fathers, having instead a string of men in their mothers' beds. In
addition to the psychological damage this causes, they were deprived
of a lot of material things because mother-only families are much
poorer than intact families, where there's a father in the home
earning a salary.

John

Re: 17-Feb-14 World View -- Egypt's terrorism escalates

by CrosstimbersOkie » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:24 am

http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... 140217.htm
This is the standard Nomad archetype/Generation-X nihilistic paradigm: Destroy everything so that you can start over with a blank slate, also sometimes stated as "You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet." The Gen-Xer-in-chief believes that if enough of the medical insurance industry is destroyed, then Obamacare will survive, and his name will go down in history for government medical insurance. (See "The nihilism and self-destructiveness of Generation X" from 2008.)

All of these are examples of massive criminality that's been going on in the past decade, which would have been completely unthinkable a decade earlier, when the people of the Silent generation were in charge.
John, it almost sounds like the Boomers have become the forgotten generation and never were really in charge of anything. Which is appropriate, because they never really grew up anyway.
He suggests another explanation: That Generation-X has a new social mood, an enduring "New Frugality," of spending less, working less, and buying cheaper. According to Howe:

"Xers also prefer to do things for themselves. They don’t trust others to get the job done right and consider paying others for services they could perform themselves inefficient. Why buy something new when you could employ crafty DIY tactics for half the price? Why pay nannies to look after your kids while you work to be able to afford their services? And why work law firm hours at today’s high marginal tax rates, when you’ll just have to give more of your money back?"
This ethos may be new to some, but it's old to Generation-X. It comes from a childhood and young adulthood marked by deprivation. Gen-X never had anything but the leftovers others didn't want. It learned to make-do. It had to. But this mood fits the times just as it did between 1930 and 1943. This is a time when DYI will reign supreme because older generations are consuming the seed corn and an ethos of frugality is the only antidote.

Re: 17-Feb-14 World View -- Egypt's terrorism escalates

by CrosstimbersOkie » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:10 am

NoOneImportant wrote:
As this article and the X'ers actions reflect: under this criminal administration no one is safe. When so surrounded by corruption, the corruption becomes pervasive, and permeates all facets of life. There is no law, there is no protection, there is only a hollow empty rotting shell; there is only the means - funded at the public expense - to pursue "enemies."
Excellent points. But there is protection for those who are very nimble enough to fly under the radar and through the loopholes. Which is something many X-Ers who were children in the late '60s and early '70s learned to do very well. It's all about survival skills. The future belongs only to those who survive...

Re: 17-Feb-14 World View -- Egypt's terrorism escalates

by John » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:20 pm

bluebird wrote: > Then Millennials are from 1981 to 2003? What is the generation
> called after the Millennials, and when would it begin and
> end?
Haven't seen you in a long time. Welcome back!

The Millennials birth dates run roughly from 1980 to 2000. The
boundary is more fuzzy than hard and fast.

I've heard the phrase "Homeland Generation" applied to the next
generation, but it probably won't stick. The "Depression Babies"
generation wasn't renamed to the "Silent Generation" until
Time Magazine gave it that name in the 1950s.

John

Re: 17-Feb-14 World View -- Egypt's terrorism escalates

by gerald » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:16 pm

NoOneImportant wrote:
John wrote:
It's easy to forget how much criminality there's been in the last decade,
The rot goes deeper than realized - the DOJ is the protector of society. When perverted - and it is not just Holder, although Holder is certainly the head of this criminal enterprise - no one is safe. It is the DOJ who indict the criminal, it is they - DOJ - who bring them before what's become an increasingly politically corrupted activist judiciary. And none of those protections have taken place under Holder's criminal DOJ administration. As is the case in all revealed criminal action in Obama's administration - nothing is their fault; by their own admission they know nothing about virtually anything; they purport to have no idea what is happening anywhere the light of day is shined to reveal criminal action; no one is ever fired; and all communications from them is calculated to: deceive, distract, and distort.

At best what is happening in Holder's DOJ is criminal negligence, at worst it is criminal obstruction of justice. Billions are appropriated by Congress for Stimulus, and awarded contractually to contractors who, with impunity, kick-back campaign contributions to those who awarded them the enriching contracts, with zero - that would be 0 - fear of prosecution. This is not just politics as usual, this is the quintessential mechanization of corruption - it is becoming increasingly clear that a system so thoroughly corrupted may not be capable of being saved. When Nixon attempted to effect the course of a non-monetary break investigation, at the Watergate, by the DOJ - not the loss of trillions of dollars, prospectively the largest monetary crime in all of human history - the then sitting Attorney General, Elliot Richardson, resigned.

Under Bush every single one of the Enron execs. - a Texas corporation - ended up doing at least some jail time. And jail time is what both Bush, and Paulson should have done for TARP-I, but that's another topic, for another time.

As this article and the X'ers actions reflect: under this criminal administration no one is safe. When so surrounded by corruption, the corruption becomes pervasive, and permeates all facets of life. There is no law, there is no protection, there is only a hollow empty rotting shell; there is only the means - funded at the public expense - to pursue "enemies." Don't think so? Then I would commend to you the making of a YouTube video critical of Islam and see where you end up.

Under Obama we have see the Chicago-ization of all American politics - weep for our nation, for we were once a moral people.
A little perspective ------
About 40 years ago, I was told by someone ,who I could trust to tell the truth, that he was told by a Mayor of a fairly large southern city that he "the mayor" could make or break anyone in town, including having an employee fired by his employer even if the employer didn't want to. Nice.

Re: 17-Feb-14 World View -- Egypt's terrorism escalates

by bluebird » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:06 pm

Then Millennials are from 1981 to 2003?
What is the generation called after the Millennials, and when would it begin and end?

Re: 17-Feb-14 World View -- Egypt's terrorism escalates

by John » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:35 pm

solomani wrote:
John wrote: Interesting. So I was born in 72, does that mean I have slipped generations as well from Gen-Dynamics point of view?
The Xer birth dates are roughly 1959 to 1980.

Re: 17-Feb-14 World View -- Egypt's terrorism escalates

by solomani » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:33 pm

John wrote:
solomani wrote:Isn’t President Obama technically a Baby Boomer?
You're absolutely right that the standard definition of Gen-X starts
them in birth year 1963 or 1964.

But from the point of view of generational theory, what matters is
when a child is old enough to know what's going on, and is able to
adopt generational attitudes and behaviors, usually around five years
old. So in generational theory, the Boomers start from birth year
1942, and the Gen-Xers start from birth year 1959.
Interesting. So I was born in 72, does that mean I have slipped generations as well from Gen-Dynamics point of view?

Re: 17-Feb-14 World View -- Egypt's terrorism escalates

by NoOneImportant » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:42 pm

John wrote:
It's easy to forget how much criminality there's been in the last decade,
The rot goes deeper than realized - the DOJ is the protector of society. When perverted - and it is not just Holder, although Holder is certainly the head of this criminal enterprise - no one is safe. It is the DOJ who indict the criminal, it is they - DOJ - who bring them before what's become an increasingly politically corrupted activist judiciary. And none of those protections have taken place under Holder's criminal DOJ administration. As is the case in all revealed criminal action in Obama's administration - nothing is their fault; by their own admission they know nothing about virtually anything; they purport to have no idea what is happening anywhere the light of day is shined to reveal criminal action; no one is ever fired; and all communications from them is calculated to: deceive, distract, and distort.

At best what is happening in Holder's DOJ is criminal negligence, at worst it is criminal obstruction of justice. Billions are appropriated by Congress for Stimulus, and awarded contractually to contractors who, with impunity, kick-back campaign contributions to those who awarded them the enriching contracts, with zero - that would be 0 - fear of prosecution. This is not just politics as usual, this is the quintessential mechanization of corruption - it is becoming increasingly clear that a system so thoroughly corrupted may not be capable of being saved. When Nixon attempted to effect the course of a non-monetary break investigation, at the Watergate, by the DOJ - not the loss of trillions of dollars, prospectively the largest monetary crime in all of human history - the then sitting Attorney General, Elliot Richardson, resigned.

Under Bush every single one of the Enron execs. - a Texas corporation - ended up doing at least some jail time. And jail time is what both Bush, and Paulson should have done for TARP-I, but that's another topic, for another time.

As this article and the X'ers actions reflect: under this criminal administration no one is safe. When so surrounded by corruption, the corruption becomes pervasive, and permeates all facets of life. There is no law, there is no protection, there is only a hollow empty rotting shell; there is only the means - funded at the public expense - to pursue "enemies." Don't think so? Then I would commend to you the making of a YouTube video critical of Islam and see where you end up.

Under Obama we have see the Chicago-ization of all American politics - weep for our nation, for we were once a moral people.

Re: 17-Feb-14 World View -- Egypt's terrorism escalates

by John » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:45 am

solomani wrote:Isn’t President Obama technically a Baby Boomer?
You're absolutely right that the standard definition of Gen-X starts
them in birth year 1963 or 1964.

But from the point of view of generational theory, what matters is
when a child is old enough to know what's going on, and is able to
adopt generational attitudes and behaviors, usually around five years
old. So in generational theory, the Boomers start from birth year
1942, and the Gen-Xers start from birth year 1959.

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