by NoOneImportant » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:30 am
And Vincecate wrote:
And having Hamas tell your kids to run to the rooftops when a missile is coming might make you wonder if Hamas is really protecting you.
There is an abject lack of understanding regarding the Palestinian mind set. The comments posted here attempt to impute a Western mindset - vision of the world - upon the decision making process of those who were born, reared, live and were conditioned in the ME. They don't have a mind set (a view of the world, if you will) equivalent to that of our life's experiences. In their mind it isn't the Hamas people who sent their children up to the roof to be killed by the known, and well defined coming Israeli ordnance. The fault lies with the Israelis, and with the western press who will just gobble up the pictures of the mangled little bodies - the dead children are merely cheap props, yes they are a personal tragedy, but vengeance will burn just so much the brighter. Incongruous, and irrational, from our perspective, as this may seem, they see the world through a tribal set of glasses. As I've noted before, the closest we can come to understanding this mindset, and world view is the Hatfield, and McCoy feud that raged in West Virginia, and Kentucky in the latter part of the 19th century. For the Brits who read this it's equivalent to the problem that England suffered with the highland Scot Clans prior to the battle of Cullloden. It's the reason that they - Middle Easterners - don't assimilate. It's the reason that they seek large families, all that can be truly counted upon is family - "...challenge me, and you challenge all my brothers, and all my relatives, and their relatives - and it isn't through the rule of law. And we will never stop coming."
We see things culturally. The bed rock foundation of our world view is based upon the written, and imposed rule of law. Great lengths are gone to in our society to attempt to dispense, flawed though it may be, impartial justice. That just isn't how the clan works. The clan in it's most basic form is: us vs them. The outsiders, or "they" can never become one of "us." And anyone of "us" wanting to become one of "them" is justification for killing them. There are cultural rules that order all societies, but those cultural rules in the case of the ME and Palestinians are specifically tribal based. They make no attempt to dispense "justice" (as we would identify and view it) when the parties are an "outsider" vs "one of us." It almost doesn't make any difference how brutal the act perpetrated by one of "us"; "justice" is only appropriately dispensed only when it rules for "our-side."
And Vincecate wrote:
[quote] And having Hamas tell your kids to run to the rooftops when a missile is coming might make you wonder if Hamas is really protecting you.[/quote]
There is an abject lack of understanding regarding the Palestinian mind set. The comments posted here attempt to impute a Western mindset - vision of the world - upon the decision making process of those who were born, reared, live and were conditioned in the ME. They don't have a mind set (a view of the world, if you will) equivalent to that of our life's experiences. In their mind it isn't the Hamas people who sent their children up to the roof to be killed by the known, and well defined coming Israeli ordnance. The fault lies with the Israelis, and with the western press who will just gobble up the pictures of the mangled little bodies - the dead children are merely cheap props, yes they are a personal tragedy, but vengeance will burn just so much the brighter. Incongruous, and irrational, from our perspective, as this may seem, they see the world through a tribal set of glasses. As I've noted before, the closest we can come to understanding this mindset, and world view is the Hatfield, and McCoy feud that raged in West Virginia, and Kentucky in the latter part of the 19th century. For the Brits who read this it's equivalent to the problem that England suffered with the highland Scot Clans prior to the battle of Cullloden. It's the reason that they - Middle Easterners - don't assimilate. It's the reason that they seek large families, all that can be truly counted upon is family - "...challenge me, and you challenge all my brothers, and all my relatives, and their relatives - and it isn't through the rule of law. And we will never stop coming."
We see things culturally. The bed rock foundation of our world view is based upon the written, and imposed rule of law. Great lengths are gone to in our society to attempt to dispense, flawed though it may be, impartial justice. That just isn't how the clan works. The clan in it's most basic form is: us vs them. The outsiders, or "they" can never become one of "us." And anyone of "us" wanting to become one of "them" is justification for killing them. There are cultural rules that order all societies, but those cultural rules in the case of the ME and Palestinians are specifically tribal based. They make no attempt to dispense "justice" (as we would identify and view it) when the parties are an "outsider" vs "one of us." It almost doesn't make any difference how brutal the act perpetrated by one of "us"; "justice" is only appropriately dispensed only when it rules for "our-side."