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If things really play out the way John predicts, then Turkey will assist Iran. That is another game changer. Turkey is a NATO ally that matters. I don't think Israel is worth it. I think Israel is a liability which has become a piano on the West's back.

At one time or another we have all been involved in war. Innocence does not exist.

Back to my original post about how journalists are pointing fingers at Israel before getting all the facts. Well, it seems they are being pressured as per this article:

http://www.truthrevolt.org/israel-revolt/journalists-fearing-retaliation-hamas-tell-gaza-horror-return-home

Granted its a pro-Israel site but they didn't forge the tweets from independent journalists. Usually articles from the right, except from FOXNEWS, tend to be fair and objective.

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Out of #Gaza far from #Hamas retaliation: misfired rocket killed children yday in Shati. Witness: militants rushed and cleared debris

— gabrielebarbati (@gabrielebarbati) July 29, 2014
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Israel is cursed by the world because they have less victims. Everyone tells Israel to be the big man and ignore the rockets. The Iron Dome thing is working out for them.

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I was half jesting a bit with this comment. Turns out some people who want to lead the county do feel this way:

http://www.kentucky.com/2014/07/29/3357293/grimes-opens-lexington-office.html?sp=/99/164/

[quote="Alison Lundergan Grimes - Democratic U.S. Senate candidate"]

"Obviously, Israel is one of our strongest allies in the Middle East, and she has the right to defend herself," Grimes said. "But the loss of life, especially the innocent civilians in Gaza, is a tragedy. The Iron Dome has been a big reason why Israel has been able to withstand the terrorists that have tried to tunnel their way in."

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I never do trust ladies who never give up their maiden names once hitched.

I do love this blog a lot for giving a lot better context to events. It's easy to see all the issues between the Israelis and Palestinians as the same, but we can see the bigger trends with Generational Dynamics.

I'm not sure if this is the huge war now between them or not, but honestly for Israel it might be better if it is. Right now, no one else is involved. If you turn this bigger and that can change.

[quote]"Israel received almost worldwide condemnation on Wednesday for air strikes on a crowded Gaza marketplace and on a United Nations shelter, killing or wounding over 100 innocent civilians, including women and children."[/quote]

There is a BIG 'allegedly' in front of that one. I'm surprised its treated as fact here. The true story will probably never be heard as dying kids trumps history. Plus it helps to have "non-biased" (wink-wink) making claims, pointing fingers without proven facts:

http://pamelageller.com/2014/07/proof-idf-proof-hamas-fired-un-facility-killed-15.html/

This war is way more than rockets, bombs, shells and tunnels. Its about who get the most support for unsubstantiated views the quickest. War is not in a vacuum but having all these "cooks, or kooks rather, in the kitchen" makes it challenging. I have no doubt it will all work out in the end. I'm glad its not yet spilled over to US yet but will.

Israel is cursed by the world because they have less victims. Everyone tells Israel to be the big man and ignore the rockets. The Iron Dome thing is working out for them. Let Hamas try to kill people all they want. 1600 rockets fired and many armed guerrilla attacks against any other nation's sovereignty other than Israel would be quickly stopped. But for Israel, maybe they deserve it. Any persons who is against Israel for defending themselves is not rational. If the same happened to their own home, they would be in uproar! You have to admit that there is definitely some bias against them, Israel.

There is rumor that the son of Hamas leader person is starting up new ISIS-type of group calling Hamas a bunch of sissy-pants, that more radical actions need to be taken. I have also heard that some member has switched sides and become evangelical but seems to be still alive so have doubt on that one given those that leave Islam tend to be targets.

[quote="John"]
Prior to the war, Hamas was extremely unpopular. The war has unified
the Gaza / Palestinian population behind Hamas, as always happens
during an existential war during a generational crisis era. [/quote]

There is no chance that Israel wipes Gaza out of existance. They are clearly not aiming to do that. There is some chance that Hamas does not survive, but that depends on the support or animosity from the local population. When they shoot 20 people for saying they don't like the war, it is clearly an evil totalitarian government. Generally evil totalitarian governments don't get full support of the population.

To the guy stockpiling food in a cave on a desert island: You forgot to quote something from MEMRI.

I predict that in the next 10 days the IDF says they think they have blown up all the tunnels and pulls out. By then there will be very few rockets launching from Gaza each day (already averaging far less than the initial 100+ per day). I expect they keep up the air attack as long as the missiles come with the offer to stop when the missiles stop. At some point Hamas will stop.

"Major General Sami Turgeman, chief of Israeli forces in Gaza, said on Wednesday they were "but a few days away from destroying all the attack tunnels". The army said 32 of the secret passages had been found so far and half of them blown up."

http://kfgo.com/news/articles/2014/jul/31/gaza-toll-soars-as-israel-days-from-completing-tunnel-hunt/

And they are saying that 85% of tunnels are blown up already.

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/By-April-IDF-knew-Hamas-was-preparing-for-summer-war-369663

The analogy to Egypt is irrelevant, because Egypt is not in the midst
of an existential war during a generational crisis era.

Prior to the war, Hamas was extremely unpopular. The war has unified
the Gaza / Palestinian population behind Hamas, as always happens
during an existential war during a generational crisis era. That
means that today if you're a Gazan helping the enemy, then you'll be
treating as a full-fledged traitor, and you'll be beaten, tortured and
killed.