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Re: 8-Oct-16 World View -- Reader comments and questions on Syria, Russia, and Russian trolls / The future of the Mideas

by gerald » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:50 am

gerald wrote:John , your comment on Russia and the US working together appears logical and it is very possible that Russia WANTS a very strong US . Why?
Russia has a big problem that I think is "overlooked? -"Will China Colonize and Incorporate Siberia? - http://hir.harvard.edu/will-china-colon ... e-siberia/
If Russia has to go against China, wouldn't Russia want a strong ally? And who would that be?
"Yes We Did’: Russia’s establishment basks in Trump’s victory"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... s-victory/

Re: 8-Oct-16 World View -- Reader comments and questions on Syria, Russia, and Russian trolls / The future of the Mideas

by gerald » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:30 am

John , your comment on Russia and the US working together appears logical and it is very possible that Russia WANTS a very strong US . Why?
Russia has a big problem that I think is "overlooked? -"Will China Colonize and Incorporate Siberia? - http://hir.harvard.edu/will-china-colon ... e-siberia/
If Russia has to go against China, wouldn't Russia want a strong ally? And who would that be?

Re: 8-Oct-16 World View -- Reader comments and questions on Syria, Russia, and Russian trolls / The future of the Mideas

by mww » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:40 am

John - regarding the Arab Spring and that it
was caused by the rise of a new generation of Arabs throughout
the Mideast
In Egypt, for example, what was the dominant group/generation behind the protests there - those wanting a more 'liberal', western government or those interested more in traditional Islamic rule? Or something altogether different? Thanks

Re: 8-Oct-16 World View -- Reader comments and questions on Syria, Russia, and Russian trolls / The future of the Mideas

by Bosanki Brod Witness » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:56 pm

John wrote:
Bosanki Brod Witness wrote: > John, the argument the Russian troll is using is the same argument
> the Serbs used during the Bosnian Genocide: that all sides are
> just as bad. Which is a lie. The Serbs and Montenegrins were the
> bad ones. The Bosnian Muslims were the (usually) unarmed and
> defenseless victims.

> I witnessed the Yugoslav wars first hand. I know what really
> happened; so do all governments (even if they have chosen to
> pretend otherwise).

> Stay true to yourself, John. You are right.

> Thank you for being brave.
Thank you very much for your comment. It's very much appreciated.
However, some days I don't know whether I'm brave or crazy. But the
work goes on.
You are brave.

Re: 8-Oct-16 World View -- Reader comments and questions on Syria, Russia, and Russian trolls / The future of the Mideas

by John » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:50 pm

Bosanki Brod Witness wrote: > John, the argument the Russian troll is using is the same argument
> the Serbs used during the Bosnian Genocide: that all sides are
> just as bad. Which is a lie. The Serbs and Montenegrins were the
> bad ones. The Bosnian Muslims were the (usually) unarmed and
> defenseless victims.

> I witnessed the Yugoslav wars first hand. I know what really
> happened; so do all governments (even if they have chosen to
> pretend otherwise).

> Stay true to yourself, John. You are right.

> Thank you for being brave.
Thank you very much for your comment. It's very much appreciated.
However, some days I don't know whether I'm brave or crazy. But the
work goes on.

Re: 8-Oct-16 World View -- Reader comments and questions on Syria, Russia, and Russian trolls / The future of the Mideas

by Bosanki Brod Witness » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:41 pm

John, the argument the Russian troll is using is the same argument the Serbs used during the Bosnian Genocide: that all sides are just as bad. Which is a lie. The Serbs and Montenegrins were the bad ones. The Bosnian Muslims were the (usually) unarmed and defenseless victims.

I witnessed the Yugoslav wars first hand. I know what really happened; so do all governments (even if they have chosen to pretend otherwise).

Stay true to yourself, John. You are right.

Thank you for being brave.

Re: 8-Oct-16 World View -- Reader comments and questions on Syria, Russia, and Russian trolls / The future of the Mideas

by John » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:21 pm

Shimshon wrote: > Who is providing arms and training to the rebels (many of whom are
> not even Syrian)? Is it the Russians? Whoever is aiding them is
> (are) the one responsible for actually fomenting the war,
> regardless of who started it. No arms and training, no rebellion,
> period. It is eminently clear that US policymakers wanted a war,
> promoted it, and nurtured it, long before it even got
> started. Leaked cables on the matter are indisputable.
Sorry, none of this is "eminently clear." Read my last response.
Shimshon wrote: > Regardless of whether you sympathize with the rebels (which you
> openly and unabashedly do, over and over) or Assad (which I do
> NOT, and never said I did). I also never mentioned Hezbollah or
> Iran in my comments. Stop putting words in my mouth. It is
> disingenuous and dishonest. Please either respond to my statements
> (my ACTUAL statements) or tell me to go away.
No, you're wrong. I do not sympathize with "the rebels." I
sympathize with the millions of women and children who are being
targeted by al-Assad's barrel bombs, chemical weapons (chlorine gas),
phosphorous bombs, cluster bombs and bunker bombs.

In my opinion, it's "eminently clear" that al-Assad wants to
exterminate an entire race, not just rebels, and that what he's doing
is not much different from the actions of Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong,
Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Ratko Mladic, Robert Mugabe, and others.
That's my response to your statements.
Shimshon wrote: > This is a war, and there are no good sides (even the US). Constant
> editorializing by using terms like "genocidal," "pathological,"
> and so forth when reporting is ridiculously one-sided and gets
> tiresome. Is Assad a psychopath? Maybe, but based on what? What is
> it if he is? Are you on the CIA's payroll? Because rather than
> interesting reporting, it reads as US propaganda with the endless
> diatribes directed against Putin and Assad (I note a
> much-attenuated animus directed at the US). We all know they're
> acting in their own interests, and doing so rather ruthlessly. To
> compare them to the Nazis and their organized program of
> extermination of entire peoples (and not just the Jews), which you
> are doing by imposing an editorial slant on what is otherwise
> interesting observations on what is happening, is absurd.
If you're a long-time reader, then you know that I've been covering
the Syria war on an almost daily basis since 2011. I've written
thousands of articles, based on reading and archiving tens of
thousands of media reports. I do not reach my opinions lightly. You
can disagree if you like, and you can make moronic accusations like
"CIA's payroll" and "US propaganda", but you're not going to make one
ideological comment and expect that to cancel tens of thousands of
hours of research and work.

I report on the atrocities of "rebels" all the time. Today's article
is about "rebels" in Kashmir. I've written about "rebels" and
al-Nusra and ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria, and jihadists in Iraq, Yemen,
Pakistan, Afghanistan, the West Bank, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Nigeria,
Algeria, Mali, and elsewhere thousands of times. Each of those
"rebel" or jihadist atrocities is a tragedy. Unfortunately, jihadist
atrocities have become so commonplace that they no longer have much
effect on world events. Many of the jihadist atrocities aren't even
covered in the news any more, since they're as common as traffic
accidents.

But those atrocities are not nearly as important to our times as
al-Assad's atrocities. The geopolitical and humanitarian disasters
that he's created are almost beyond belief -- creating ISIS, creating
millions of refugees in the Mideast and Europe, and bringing the
entire Mideast to the brink of war along the Sunni/Shia fault line.

And the destruction of Aleppo would be an atrocity far exceeding all
the atrocities of ISIS and al-Nusra put together.

Al-Assad has accomplished in five years what al-Qaeda has been failing
to do for 30 years, and what ISIS is failing to do.

I get criticized by ideologues on all sides. So stay or leave, read
or stop reading as you wish, but don't expect me to abandon years of
work because of an ideological opinion.

Re: 8-Oct-16 World View -- Reader comments and questions on Syria, Russia, and Russian trolls / The future of the Mideas

by Shimshon » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:30 am

Hi John. I am a daily reader, so I am familiar with that post.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I have no concern for the Sunnis, or anyone, for that matter, "winning" the war.

Who is providing arms and training to the rebels (many of whom are not even Syrian)? Is it the Russians? Whoever is aiding them is (are) the one responsible for actually fomenting the war, regardless of who started it. No arms and training, no rebellion, period. It is eminently clear that US policymakers wanted a war, promoted it, and nurtured it, long before it even got started. Leaked cables on the matter are indisputable.

Regardless of whether you sympathize with the rebels (which you openly and unabashedly do, over and over) or Assad (which I do NOT, and never said I did). I also never mentioned Hezbollah or Iran in my comments. Stop putting words in my mouth. It is disingenuous and dishonest. Please either respond to my statements (my ACTUAL statements) or tell me to go away.

This is a war, and there are no good sides (even the US). Constant editorializing by using terms like "genocidal," "pathological," and so forth when reporting is ridiculously one-sided and gets tiresome. Is Assad a psychopath? Maybe, but based on what? What is it if he is? Are you on the CIA's payroll? Because rather than interesting reporting, it reads as US propaganda with the endless diatribes directed against Putin and Assad (I note a much-attenuated animus directed at the US). We all know they're acting in their own interests, and doing so rather ruthlessly. To compare them to the Nazis and their organized program of extermination of entire peoples (and not just the Jews), which you are doing by imposing an editorial slant on what is otherwise interesting observations on what is happening, is absurd.

It's not like I am unfamiliar with war. During Protective Edge I head the nearly constant shelling for weeks from 50 miles inland. Israel leveled entire neighborhoods (not blocks, entire regions). If Assad is doing as you say in Aleppo, he is doing no differently (Israel is more Western, so helpfully notified people a few minutes in advance that their homes were about to be destroyed, a luxury Aleppo residents likely are not receiving). By picking sides as you are, you are, in a way, glorifying war (look at those selfless noble rebels fighting against the psychopathic Assad using barrel bombs -- BARREL BOMBS I TELL YOU -- as opposed to more civilized bombs manufactured by proper arms makers, I assume?).

Re: 8-Oct-16 World View -- Reader comments and questions on Syria, Russia, and Russian trolls / The future of the Mideas

by John » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:55 am

Shimshon wrote: > "A lot of people feel that way. But a lot more people feel that
> America has a moral obligation to be policeman of the world, so
> it's unlikely that we'll get out of the situation."

> Yet this attitude you insist is widespread in America (I have my
> doubts) has absolutely nothing to do with your constant
> editorializing against Russia and whitewashing the West's role in
> fomenting the war in the first that led to Assad's alleged
> genocide (Which people, as a group, is he trying to eliminate
> entirely?). What part of "there are no good guys in this" don't
> you understand? What do you think will come after Assad is
> toppled? You sound like an apologist for Nobel Laureate
> Obama. Please stop the polemics, which are tedious and make you a
> much less interesting read.

> I live in Israel (check my IP address if you don't believe). I
> would be considered pretty hard core in my right wing politics. I
> am no fan of the Arabs that surround my country. Yet I am not
> stupid enough to believe that what would inevitably succeed Assad
> would be even a little better than him. Just like the situations
> in Iraq and Libya. Are the Iraqis or Libyans better or worse off
> since brutal but secular dictators were toppled? For that matter,
> is the West better or worse off?
You're mixing up a lot of things here. The main thing is that you're
misreading my role. I'm like the weather forecaster who predicts a
hurricane. He isn't advocating a hurricane, nor is he arguing that a
hurricane is better than sunshine. He's just reporting what's
happening and what's coming, which is what I'm doing.

The West did not foment the "Arab Spring" that caused massive
dislocations in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemem, Bahrain, Iraq and Syria.
That was caused by the rise of a new generation of Arabs throughout
the Mideast.

Nor did the West foment Bashar al-Assad's reaction to the Arab Spring
in Syria, which was to start exterminating peaceful anti-government
protesters. As I recently described, the real turning point came in
August 2011, when al-Assad started a massive military assault on a
large, peaceful Palestinian refugee camp in Latakia, filled with tens
of thousands of women and children Palestinians. The US State
Department called the attacks "abhorrent and repulsive."

** 24-Sep-16 World View -- Syria's al-Assad goes for the kill, turning Aleppo and civilians to bloody rubble
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e160924


So what happened in Syria was not fomented by the West. It was all
Bashar al-Assad, supported by the war criminals in Russia and Iran.

Finally, I can certainly understand your concern about the Sunnis
winning the war. But I'm not sure why you aren't concerned about
al-Assad winning the war, since Iran and Hezbollah have made it clear
that Israel would be next.

I'm not underestimating your concerns. We're all headed for a world
war, and it will probably reach Israel before it reaches the US. I'm
just telling you what's going to happen.

Re: 8-Oct-16 World View -- Reader comments and questions on Syria, Russia, and Russian trolls / The future of the Mideas

by Shimshon » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:14 am

"A lot of people feel that way. But a lot more people feel that America has a moral obligation to be policeman of the world, so it's unlikely that we'll get out of the situation."

Yet this attitude you insist is widespread in America (I have my doubts) has absolutely nothing to do with your constant editorializing against Russia and whitewashing the West's role in fomenting the war in the first that led to Assad's alleged genocide (Which people, as a group, is he trying to eliminate entirely?). What part of "there are no good guys in this" don't you understand? What do you think will come after Assad is toppled? You sound like an apologist for Nobel Laureate Obama. Please stop the polemics, which are tedious and make you a much less interesting read.

I live in Israel (check my IP address if you don't believe). I would be considered pretty hard core in my right wing politics. I am no fan of the Arabs that surround my country. Yet I am not stupid enough to believe that what would inevitably succeed Assad would be even a little better than him. Just like the situations in Iraq and Libya. Are the Iraqis or Libyans better or worse off since brutal but secular dictators were toppled? For that matter, is the West better or worse off?

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