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John wrote:

Useless degree wrote: > I have been studying the history of Japanese colonialism in China
> for three decades. That treaty conditions you wrote about mirror
> the treaties China was forced to sign by various foreign powers
> granting spheres of influence (defacto colonies) in China in the
> 20th Century. I want to keep this brief, so I'll focus on Japanese
> expansion.

> Manchuria has always been a highly contested part of Asia. The
> Russians, Chinese, and Japanese have all competed to control
> it. The Czarist Russia made one-sided treaties with China and took
> over the Kwantang Penisula. The Russians built a city, harbor, and
> started work on a Manchuria Railway which they gained controlled
> of through rather complex and completely dishonest dealings. After
> the Russo-Japanese War, the Japanese made an even more one-sided
> treaty with China that allowed the Japanese to bring in massive
> numbers of Japanese colonists.

> The break down of central government in China after 1911 allowed
> the Japanese to extract (often by military force) even more
> territory and expand the the Southern Manchurian Railway
> (SMR). Millions of Japanese colonists flooded in, built their own
> towns and cities, stole farmland, and created massive factories
> and mining operations.

> Local Chinese ended up has grossly mistreated, impoverished, and
> abused slaves for the Japanese.

> This all lead to the eventually creation a fake country called
> Manchukuo in 1932.

> I'm leaving out a lot of details, but my point is that the Chinese
> are doing exactly what the Japanese did to them. I wouldn't be
> surprised if in 10 or 20 years times, China stole the factory
> territories outright under the guise of supporting 'independence
> movements' for local minority groups. Balucukuo.

> It looks like the Chinese have learned a lot from history. J
>

Thanks for the information. As you say, the Chinese have learned a
lot from history. They've learned from the Japanese how to create
disasters, but have learned nothing about the consequences of such
disasters.

Useless degree wrote: > I have been studying the history of Japanese colonialism in China
> for three decades. That treaty conditions you wrote about mirror
> the treaties China was forced to sign by various foreign powers
> granting spheres of influence (defacto colonies) in China in the
> 20th Century. I want to keep this brief, so I'll focus on Japanese
> expansion.

> Manchuria has always been a highly contested part of Asia. The
> Russians, Chinese, and Japanese have all competed to control
> it. The Czarist Russia made one-sided treaties with China and took
> over the Kwantang Penisula. The Russians built a city, harbor, and
> started work on a Manchuria Railway which they gained controlled
> of through rather complex and completely dishonest dealings. After
> the Russo-Japanese War, the Japanese made an even more one-sided
> treaty with China that allowed the Japanese to bring in massive
> numbers of Japanese colonists.

> The break down of central government in China after 1911 allowed
> the Japanese to extract (often by military force) even more
> territory and expand the the Southern Manchurian Railway
> (SMR). Millions of Japanese colonists flooded in, built their own
> towns and cities, stole farmland, and created massive factories
> and mining operations.

> Local Chinese ended up has grossly mistreated, impoverished, and
> abused slaves for the Japanese.

> This all lead to the eventually creation a fake country called
> Manchukuo in 1932.

> I'm leaving out a lot of details, but my point is that the Chinese
> are doing exactly what the Japanese did to them. I wouldn't be
> surprised if in 10 or 20 years times, China stole the factory
> territories outright under the guise of supporting 'independence
> movements' for local minority groups. Balucukuo.

> It looks like the Chinese have learned a lot from history. J
>