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ICE

by Navigator » Tue Feb 17, 2026 7:25 pm

The first issue I want to get into further is ICE.

To start, I do laud their mission of deporting illegal aliens who have broken laws. I hope even the left is ok with that, but unfortunately it doesn't appear so.

Also unfortunate was the super rapid expansion of ICE. I am pretty sure that in hiring as many new agents as they could over the last year, that they picked up quite a number of police academy drop outs and police department wash outs. Police departments (and academies) know that someone who is a "hothead" should not be in law enforcement. They lose control of their emotions, do something uncalled for (usually violence), and then the department and its municipality end up getting sued for millions. So, when they have evidence, or even a strong inkling that this is the case, they get rid of them before they have tenure (after which they know the unions will protect them, and they can't get rid of them, as was the case with Derek Chauvin, who killed George Floyd).

So, ICE evidently has a number of hot heads in its ranks.

Now, on the other side, people in Minnesota were actively trying to stop ICE officers making arrests. Impeding officers trying to make arrests is technically "obstruction of justice", and is usually a class B misdemeanor - meaning up to 6 months in jail (though this is rare, and unheard of for 1st offense). Also, I would add, that while you may not go to jail for this, you can very well end up getting a beat down by a couple of burly guys who actually have the law on their side in doing so. I would not, ever, confront US law enforcement in this way.

The first ICE case involving a shooting was the lady who tried to run over the ICE officer with her car. Believe it or not, used in this way, a car is a deadly weapon. This officer had every right to shoot the driver, as he justifiably feared for his life. As a side note, the partner of the driver, filming the incident, was heard to shout "How do you even have real bullets?" after the shooting. Unbelievable that someone is so naive as to think law enforcement isn't armed with deadly force.

The second ICE case involves the shooting of the armed nurse. This person had not brandished the weapon. It was only found when scuffling with the ICE officers. The gun was taken away by one of them. Only AFTER that happened did a couple of other ICE officers fatally shoot him. This was NOT justified, and was probably the result of the "hotheads" I wrote about earlier. In this case, the officers involved should be held accountable. The penalty for obstructing justice is not death. No officer's life was in danger. Granted, the guy was an idiot for engaging in impeding an arrest while armed with a deadly weapon, but, again, law enforcement can't loose control of their emotions and start shooting. They MUST follow the protocols and procedures.

It is wise to have them move on to de-escalate the situation in Minnesota and focus elsewhere for a while. When they do go back to Minnesota (and they should be doing this wherever they go), they need to also arrest people for obstruction of justice when they act like the anti-ICE people did.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Fullmoonn » Mon Feb 16, 2026 11:14 pm

DaKardii wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 1:43 am
DaKardii wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 8:07 pm
Navigator wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 3:53 pm Probably some one or two person outfit that they haven't (and I haven't) heard of yet.
And once they do hear of it, they will buy that off too?
Why should we presume that every anti-establishment movement in the US is aligned with the enemy?
The enemy is prodding us into a ME war that isn't in America's national interest. That's one of the greatest enemies we have. The CCP, another formidable enemy, will have us pinned down and depleted of munitions. They will see an obvious opening to break the 1st island chain shackles. America will cease to exist in It's current form after such humiliation. We're facing an existential threat and haven't recognized friend from foe. How can we consider an ally someone who expects their "God" to eliminate most of humanity for some kind of higher power goodness? It does seem like a cryptic schizophrenic delusion with Satanic tendencies.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Fullmoonn » Mon Feb 16, 2026 10:58 pm

Friend of Iran wrote: Sat Feb 14, 2026 4:08 pm Iranian regime tracking down wounded protesters and executing them in hospitals:
https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/14/world/vi ... sters-vrtc

I'm assuming Trump will eventually "decapitate" the current regime. But this time (unlike Venezuela), he needs to make sure that the opposition gets into power. This may involve smuggling millions of weapons into the right hands, and providing all kinds of additional support. And while I hate to say it, a lot of the current Revolutionary Guard probably need to be neutralized in the process, as they have shown willingness to kill their unarmed countrymen to preserve their positions. Yes, some of them may have been forced to do so under threat of death themselves. I guess things like this this are never "cleanly" resolved. But I'm tired of watching these brave protesters be fired at like cattle in the street. Iran's people deserve better.

By the way, expect Butler to compare the Iranian protesters to Alex Pretti and Renee Good.
Stirring up the emotions of the gullible and undereducated American populace in a similar fashion to what we saw leading into the Ukraine debacle. WAR IS A RACKET. 3 letter agencies spreading misinformation and stirring up emotions based upon spurious and the factually incorrect accusations.

Truth

by Bob Butler » Sun Feb 15, 2026 8:13 pm

Friend of Iran wrote: Sun Feb 15, 2026 1:11 pm Predictable as the sunrise.
Truth generally is.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Friend of Iran » Sun Feb 15, 2026 1:11 pm

Predictable as the sunrise.

Political Murder as Conserative Policy?

by Bob Butler » Sun Feb 15, 2026 12:28 am

Friend of Iran wrote: Sat Feb 14, 2026 4:08 pm By the way, expect Butler to compare the Iranian protesters to Alex Pretti and Renee Good.
Well, both the Iranian religious leaders and ICE killers are willing to discard the enlightenment principles. You can fairly easily call the Iranian murderers part of a religious dictatorship. It is fairly easy to label them as bad guys, though quite a different flavor of bad guys than we are seeing in the US.

Just how different are the two? What is common is a willingness to murder folks for protesting questionable policy. ICE seems willing to kill people for political gain. The difference is how rational the Trump / ICE policy is. You get reports of Trump's lack of rationality and sentience. His restraint of ICE and lethal intent seem insufficient to prevent the political murders. The mechanism by which the cabinet or Congress can remove him are not that far along, but Trump is loosing the GOP. Both the Congress and cabinet are so far treating political murder an acceptable policy. I don't see a two thirds vote of the Senate as likely to materialize. Still, Trump is no longer acting pro rural voter. The GOP is losing any path to retain power following Trump. I can see where Trump's policies and mental state could result in the cabinet preferring Vance to Trump, with the ICE murders being one of many issues. We'll have to see.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Friend of Iran » Sat Feb 14, 2026 4:08 pm

Iranian regime tracking down wounded protesters and executing them in hospitals:
https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/14/world/vi ... sters-vrtc

I'm assuming Trump will eventually "decapitate" the current regime. But this time (unlike Venezuela), he needs to make sure that the opposition gets into power. This may involve smuggling millions of weapons into the right hands, and providing all kinds of additional support. And while I hate to say it, a lot of the current Revolutionary Guard probably need to be neutralized in the process, as they have shown willingness to kill their unarmed countrymen to preserve their positions. Yes, some of them may have been forced to do so under threat of death themselves. I guess things like this this are never "cleanly" resolved. But I'm tired of watching these brave protesters be fired at like cattle in the street. Iran's people deserve better.

By the way, expect Butler to compare the Iranian protesters to Alex Pretti and Renee Good.

High Slant

by Bob Butler » Fri Feb 13, 2026 4:43 am

Fullmoonn wrote: Thu Feb 12, 2026 11:13 pm
DaKardii wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 1:43 am
DaKardii wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 8:07 pm

And once they do hear of it, they will buy that off too?
Why should we presume that every anti-establishment movement in the US is aligned with the enemy?
The origination of the nation was by anti-establishment people, was it not? But we also have to be aware that stirring up internal division and causing internal conflict is absolutely going on for us and by us abroad.
I actually have a little sympathy for Karl Marx. If you are revolting against kings or dictators, yes, you need an armed revolution. The American and French Revolutions were well before Marx, but the Marxist principles are there. The problem is that Communism results in dictatorships, Yes, you force out kings and dictators, but you replace them with dictators. If your revolutionary government doesn't include enlightenment values, the result of the revolution is not productive.

You need a form of government which benefits the people not the elites. Democracy does that in principle. You cannot forget entirely a loyalty to the voters. Still, it is tempting for the politicians to want to become part of the elite, to take favors and privilege.

I think Trump, MAGA and the GoP have become too obviously pro elite. Lately, they have not been serving their rural base well at all. The too few intermediate elections have been going Democratic. I can't help but think how heavy the vote swung in the last high. Congress went heavily Democratic for decades. It might happen again if the GoP stays loyal to the elites.

I think one should keep in mind whether political organizations act in the interests of the typical voter or the elites. The Trump variation of the GoP held while they really acted in the interests of MAGA. This unfortunately included a racist element, against blacks and latinos. That has faded somewhat in the second Trump term, but so has the loyalty to the rural voters. They are losing their base. They may lose Congress. The result may be similar to the shift in the last high.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Fullmoonn » Thu Feb 12, 2026 11:13 pm

DaKardii wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 1:43 am
DaKardii wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 8:07 pm
Navigator wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 3:53 pm Probably some one or two person outfit that they haven't (and I haven't) heard of yet.
And once they do hear of it, they will buy that off too?
Why should we presume that every anti-establishment movement in the US is aligned with the enemy?
The origination of the nation was by anti-establishment people, was it not? But we also have to be aware that stirring up internal division and causing internal conflict is absolutely going on for us and by us abroad.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by DaKardii » Wed Feb 11, 2026 1:43 am

DaKardii wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 8:07 pm
Navigator wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 3:53 pm Probably some one or two person outfit that they haven't (and I haven't) heard of yet.
And once they do hear of it, they will buy that off too?
Why should we presume that every anti-establishment movement in the US is aligned with the enemy?

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