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by **Fullmoonn** » Wed Mar 04, 2026 12:07 am

BUT, when America itself is attacked, the majority (if not vast majority) rally to the flag and live up to the expectations of their forefathers. The US Constitution is still valid, and still the best form of government on earth.[/quotei agree with this as most probably happens.
All the other stuff about Iran is... Like before with Russia.
What's going on and who's the special interest?
Nothing anywhere has shown Persian's a threat.. just saying

by **Navigator** » Tue Mar 03, 2026 11:55 pm

DaKardii wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 12:08 am
How can we win this war when a large percentage of our population sees our government as irredeemable, and not worth defending? The short answer is, we can't. So how should our government respond?

I don't see the government as irredeemable. I do see a LOT of bad actors in government, but the system itself is still working.

There will be a lot of anti-government sentiment as the war with Iran drags on. And it has all the earmarks of dragging on.

Experience has shown that bombing alone is not going to change too much. It should take out production facilities (missile making, drone making, nuclear enrichment) that are not deeply buried, but the enemy will soon move everything there. Its what the Germans did in WW2. Unless the site is occupied, you can only set back manufacturing, not end it.

I think our best hope right now is for a civil war in Iran. We are evidently working with the Kurds in the Northwest of Iran, the Baluchi's in the eastern part of Iran, and with Shia minorities (along the Kuwait/southern Iraq border). In addition, it would be great if some of the regular Iranian military were to mutiny and fight against the IRGC. We also need to find a way to arm civilians so they can take on the Basij militia arm of the IRGC. Yes, this turns Iran into a basket case ala Syria for years.

It is just made all the worse by the fact that this action, which was definitely needed, was delayed for so so long. We should have acted back in the 1980s. If not over the embassy hostages, then over the Beirut bombings. At a minimum when they started to pursue nuclear technology.

As expected, the Iranians have said to have closed the Straits of Hormuz. Looking at maritime traffic maps, nothing is moving through there right now. Trump has authorized the insuring of shipping by the US government and the escort of shipping through the area, but I am not seeing anything moving yet. One ship hitting a mine and I think shipping will stop for quite a while. And yes, that would be an economic disruption the world is definitely not prepared for.

The other is destruction of oil facilities. While the Iranians strike at such vulnerable targets in their neighbors, their neighbors are vowing to retaliate. The IRGC at this point has nothing to lose by attacking Saudi/Kuwaiti/other Persian Gulf state facilities, as they are completely unable to export anything themselves, so their refineries and wells are no longer an asset.

The missile threats to Israel and others should soon be over, as the Iranians do have a limited stockpile, plus we are destroying launchers they need to use them with. But as Ukraine has shown, drones are another matter. They are going to continue to manufacture and use drones. Against oil facilities and against shipping.

The IRGC isn't going to roll over and give up their power and wealth. Unfortunately, bombing alone isn't going to fix it. Hopefully, Iranian opposition on the ground can, but it will be a slog.

Getting back to the original point, any minor foreign war strains the American body politic. The longer they go on, the worse this becomes.

BUT, when America itself is attacked, the majority (if not vast majority) rally to the flag and live up to the expectations of their forefathers. The US Constitution is still valid, and still the best form of government on earth.

by **Fullmoonn** » Tue Mar 03, 2026 9:50 pm

Phong Tran wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 4:49 pm
Fullmoonn wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 4:04 pm
Sharing a link from Professor Jiang in relations to his Game Theory of the US/Israel - Iran War. I enjoy watching his 'theories' because they're probably about as neutral as one can be, and he makes connections that haven't been made apparent in other places.
He's a really smart guy who is quite compelling, but...
Consider that he grew up in Canada, went to Yale and then decided after some time that Beijing would be a good place to raise his kids. I lived in Beijing for 3 years and have deep connections there still. I'm about the same age as Jiang also with little kids. Having lived there, I certainly wouldn't consider it ideal for living/ raising kids. He's in Beijing acting certainly under the perview of the government. Therefore be very careful about charlatans and tricksters. Seems they're coming out of the woodwork as we descend into the depths of crisis.
I agree that everything should be taken with a grain of salt and that the CCP allow him to teach and spread his theories because they highlight the decline of the US empire and the rise of China as the next superpower. Again, I like to take in different viewpoints and worldviews because what we think others value, we may only believe that because we sometimes project our own values onto them. Ray Dalio, in his Rise and Fall of Civilizations also believes that China will rise to be the next superpower. Everything is speculative, and while their theories are based on past empires and superpowers, I'm not sure I'd go as far as implying them to be charlatans and tricksters.

The fact that he had a western education, lived in the west, and still moved his children to Beijing probably says a lot more of his belief in the western decline and rise of China in the future, and is hoping for the best for his children and grandchildren. I have no illusions that the CCP is not the greatest government at this time, however, after having lived 45 years in Canada, the hypocrisy of the western oligarchy has also not been lost on me either. So I guess the question becomes how ingrained is the corruption in both governments and which one do we believe will right their ship before all is said and done. I'd prefer it to be both governments, and it certainly could be the US and not China, I'm just not seeing it based on how divisive the Democratic and Republican parties are towards each other. Lastly, when I hypothesize about the rise of China, I'm literally talking 50-100 years, with the peak in 150 years, so definitely not talking about the next 10 years.

Defining who's a charlatan is one thing, identifying the speaker and understanding their motive is another. Jiang seems like a good person overall and I'd be happy to have him as a neighbor. In fact, I'm sorry that such a good found better pos prospects both socially and morally abroad is a tragedya
As to which civilization will come back faster, it's quite fascinating to think about. But if you have people who you're responsible for, it's different. You wouldn't want to lose your position in that case. This probably can be seen throughout history and now in real time...

by **Phong Tran** » Tue Mar 03, 2026 4:49 pm

Fullmoonn wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 4:04 pm
Sharing a link from Professor Jiang in relations to his Game Theory of the US/Israel - Iran War. I enjoy watching his 'theories' because they're probably about as neutral as one can be, and he makes connections that haven't been made apparent in other places.
He's a really smart guy who is quite compelling, but...
Consider that he grew up in Canada, went to Yale and then decided after some time that Beijing would be a good place to raise his kids. I lived in Beijing for 3 years and have deep connections there still. I'm about the same age as Jiang also with little kids. Having lived there, I certainly wouldn't consider it ideal for living/ raising kids. He's in Beijing acting certainly under the perview of the government. Therefore be very careful about charlatans and tricksters. Seems they're coming out of the woodwork as we descend into the depths of crisis.

I agree that everything should be taken with a grain of salt and that the CCP allow him to teach and spread his theories because they highlight the decline of the US empire and the rise of China as the next superpower. Again, I like to take in different viewpoints and worldviews because what we think others value, we may only believe that because we sometimes project our own values onto them. Ray Dalio, in his Rise and Fall of Civilizations also believes that China will rise to be the next superpower. Everything is speculative, and while their theories are based on past empires and superpowers, I'm not sure I'd go as far as implying them to be charlatans and tricksters.

The fact that he had a western education, lived in the west, and still moved his children to Beijing probably says a lot more of his belief in the western decline and rise of China in the future, and is hoping for the best for his children and grandchildren. I have no illusions that the CCP is not the greatest government at this time, however, after having lived 45 years in Canada, the hypocrisy of the western oligarchy has also not been lost on me either. So I guess the question becomes how ingrained is the corruption in both governments and which one do we believe will right their ship before all is said and done. I'd prefer it to be both governments, and it certainly could be the US and not China, I'm just not seeing it based on how divisive the Democratic and Republican parties are towards each other. Lastly, when I hypothesize about the rise of China, I'm literally talking 50-100 years, with the peak in 150 years, so definitely not talking about the next 10 years.

by **Fullmoonn** » Tue Mar 03, 2026 4:04 pm

Sharing a link from Professor Jiang in relations to his Game Theory of the US/Israel - Iran War. I enjoy watching his 'theories' because they're probably about as neutral as one can be, and he makes connections that haven't been made apparent in other places.

He's a really smart guy who is quite compelling, but...
Consider that he grew up in Canada, went to Yale and then decided after some time that Beijing would be a good place to raise his kids. I lived in Beijing for 3 years and have deep connections there still. I'm about the same age as Jiang also with little kids. Having lived there, I certainly wouldn't consider it ideal for living/ raising kids. He's in Beijing acting certainly under the perview of the government. Therefore be very careful about charlatans and tricksters. Seems they're coming out of the woodwork as we descend into the depths of crisis.

by **Fullmoonn** » Tue Mar 03, 2026 3:57 pm

That's some good stuff Phong but...

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thus having a more cohesive population, will accelerate faster to becoming the next century superpower.

THIS is speculative conjecture based upon a common incorrect hypothesis.
Mao Ze Deng WAS effective at getting rid of Chinese cultural history. Just the fact that cannabalism happened during his starvation event, . which was just policy stupidity, but then followed by 10 years of outright inhuman psychosis and mass murder (probably also contributing to cannabalism) means that an entire generation was permanently scarred and ruined. Thay now govern the nation and they're even crazier than our Epstein clique running our own country.
Their children of course had crazy parents and a society in fragments. You might assume that it could be cohesive in some ways but in other ways ( fundamental generationally speaking)!! they're merely repeating the few ancient ways that we're somewhat preserved but only in a superficial way. They're sociopathic and nihilistic (we're talking about Communist China) and in the end actually seem to want to go down in flames rather than make the world a better place and in this manner they're much like our great friend and ally who's sucked us into a disaster and ruinous war.

by **Phong Tran** » Tue Mar 03, 2026 9:53 am

Sharing a link from Professor Jiang in relations to his Game Theory of the US/Israel - Iran War. I enjoy watching his 'theories' because they're probably about as neutral as one can be, and he makes connections that haven't been made apparent in other places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIS2eB-rGv0

Starting around the 30mins mark, he makes a couple connections that I found interesting.

1. The US-Israel attacking Iran and the Middle East creates an energy catalyst for Europe that will force them to side with the US to ensure their future energy supply, whether they want to or not (ie. securing US interests).
2. The term Blue Gold, which has been floating around conspiracy theorists forums for a while as a dystopian future world could actually be the US' game plan in the Middle East, as the ME countries utilize more water then their environments can produce (which is why Iran is attacking water desalination stations of puppet ME countries)
3. Iran's possible geopolitical strategy of galvanizing Shia population in other countries to protest and cause an uprising with Israel and US as their enemies, eventually escalating towards a Shia/Sunni Muslim Jihad with Iran as the center of the Islamic Caliphate (which could coincide with John's prediction of the Clash of Civilizations). This could cause massive internal civic issues in many European and western countries due to immigration of Muslims who may answer the call to Jihad.

However, I remember that John mentioned that Iran's generation was an awakening one and that they would be on the side of US against China in the Clash of Civilizations war and maybe they will be, but maybe they aren't initially just like the USSR wasn't on the side of the allies in WWII.

In regards to the belief that the US will come out on top, I'm not sure that will be the case. I believe it ends because humanity is pushed to the point where if country A goes any further against country B that Nuclear War would be the only answer, and at that point, both sides agree to just end the war. The US will be like how Great Britain was, starting their decline, while China, having suffered as well, but not having as many immigration issues, thus having a more cohesive population, will accelerate faster to becoming the next century superpower.

by **DaKardii** » Tue Mar 03, 2026 12:16 am

Another important question. How do we keep our humanity once the war starts?

by **DaKardii** » Tue Mar 03, 2026 12:08 am

Navigator wrote: Sat Feb 28, 2026 5:24 pm My basic outline for the future can be summed up as follows:

US entangled in foreign war
Political infighting in the US not seen since US Civil War
Violent anti-establishment demonstrations/actions
Economic downturn to Stock Market Crash
China/Russia and minor allies attack the West, starting WW3
A world war that lasts years, starting with major US and western reverses
A depleted and greatly weakened US comes out on top, only after China reaches the internal breaking point due to starvation

How can we win this war when a large percentage of our population sees our government as irredeemable, and not worth defending? The short answer is, we can't. So how should our government respond?

The right thing to do would be to apologize for its past sins, and atone for them by dismantling the system they have built over the remains of what was once the Republic. But of course that won't happen, because our government is going to war precisely to defend that system. So again, how should our government respond?

by **spottybrowncow** » Sun Mar 01, 2026 8:08 pm

Fullmoonn wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2026 12:47 pm This is definitely very much true. It's ironic that the more freedom and luxury the society gained, the less cohesion and happiness it had. Pursuit of materialism and selfish aggrandizement go against the way of the Lord. God bless you all and please take care.

This is very true.

It's a subset of:
"Hard times make strong men.
Strong men make good times.
Good times make weak men.
Weak men make hard times."

Or:

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