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Higgenbotham wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:24 pm

Higgenbotham wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:13 am

aeden wrote:The top executives of more than 180 companies have signed a letter that says abortion is essential in order for people to be successful in their businesses.

Reminds me a few years ago Pelosi said food stamps are keeping this economy going. Now we see that top executives of more than 180 companies agree that abortions are keeping this economy going. One reason would probably be that abortion is cheaper for their health care costs than encouraging an employee to take a pregnancy to full term. It begs the question of whether pregnant employees are pressured to have abortions at these (and other) firms and, if so, how that fits into their definition of equality. Just putting your name on such a letter is a form of pressure.

When you want to issue demands for abortion for the purpose of making sacrifices to the gods of materialism and corporate profits that sounds an awful lot like pagan ritual sacrifice to appease the gods based on the superstition of deriving some benefit. Based on that, making demands for abortion so you can harvest more corporate profits when it really will not do anything like that in the long run is closer to a "medieval superstition" than the enduring belief that a human has a soul.

Corporate America Touts Funding Employee ‘Abortion Travel’ But Is Largely Silent On Child Care Benefits, Report Finds

JARYN CROUSON
CONTRIBUTOR
November 19, 2024

Many Fortune 100 companies offer paid “abortion travel” benefits but do not openly share childcare benefits, a report released Tuesday found.

At least 42 Fortune 100 companies such as Walmart, Amazon and Walt Disney publicly state that they cover the costs for employees to travel out-of-state to receive abortions, yet only 22 openly mention their childcare benefits, according to a report by the Ethics and Public Policy Center. Many companies also offer assistance for alternative family options, such as surrogacy and in vitro fertilization (IVF), which may incentivize employees to delay parenthood.

“[A] significant number of these corporations have simultaneously begun promoting and incentivizing options such as surrogacy, in vitro fertilization, egg freezing, and travel for abortions—options that encourage female employees in particular to postpone or even forego motherhood in order to advance in their careers,” Alexandra DeSanctis, the report’s co-author, said in a statement. “Real support for women in the workplace would prioritize reincorporating female employees who have left the workforce for a time to care for children, offering greater flexibility to working fathers so they can be more present to their families, and making as much room as possible for mothers to take on flexible part-time or remote work.”

The report detailed that many companies choose to cover the cost of employees’ abortions — even up to thousands of dollars for out-of-state travel — because it is cheaper than covering paid maternity leave and offering other childcare benefits. Presenting options such as egg freezing and IVF may give female employees a “false sense” of security around “their future fertility,” convincing some to delay having children for the sake of their career only to later learn “that these methods are unreliable and/or highly burdensome,” the report explains.

Higgenbotham wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:04 am The high priests of materialism clearly understand that a major sticking point in their desire to continue neo-pagan human sacrifice to the gods of materialism is that normal people experience regret over doing so. As Navigator stated, normally their conscience will tell them that this is wrong, and they will hesitate. One way to get people to overcome this hesitancy would be to fund a "scientific study" and plaster the results all over mainstream media, saying, essentially, "You might hesitate to have an abortion, but 5 years later you will have no regrets!" After all, 5 years is a long time, you know.

Starting with the underlined and highlighted parts of the above post, it says, "...read what women who had abortions had to say about their decision to have one many decades after doing so." The "many decades after doing so" is important because once people pass middle age they normally (there's that word again) start to look back and evaluate the significance of different actions they took in their life. At age 73, they will see this very differently than they did at age 23, and that's why those words were inserted. When I wrote that, I had not seen the University of California - San Francisco study that is being discussed.

Next, we see that one of the high priests of materialism has an "academic partner" that received "at least $88 million" from this high priest of materialism. And, lo and behold, can you imagine that this "academic partner" is the very same one, the University of California - San Francisco, that funded the "scientific study" that said you will not regret your abortion? They could not have possibly known how their "scientific research" was supposed to turn out so they could get at least another $88 million from Mr. Moneybags, could they?

Under current law, hospitals can refuse to perform abortions, refuse to let others perform abortions using their facilities, and refuse to train health care professionals to perform abortions. Doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals can refuse to perform abortions, assist in performing abortions, and undergo training for abortions. Pharmacists can refuse to dispense abortion-inducing drugs, and employers can decline to cover abortion-inducing drugs for employees.

One out of five hospital beds in the U.S. sits in a religious-based hospital, and Catholic hospitals make up three-quarters of those religious hospitals, according to a University of California at San Francisco study.

Higgenbotham wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:40 pmYou had mentioned that you watched the Billy Graham sermon. That surprised me, as I didn't think you would want to stomach it, which is why I linked directly to his use of the phrase "gods of materialism," figuring you might note the use of the phrase and shut it off. I only watched maybe 10 minutes of it, but it seemed more relevant than when I last watched Billy Graham previous to that, at least 40 years ago. However, there wasn't anything in it that substantially changed my opinion, so it mostly amounted to entertainment and nostalgia.

Bob Butler wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:59 pm Is that what you are looking for?

Bob Butler wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:48 pmOne interesting thing in recent posts. You have a poll showing most Americans believe in or favor a lot of traditional religious aspects. And yet, most are willing to vote for abortions. Do people believe they can go to heaven after they had an abortion? The logic of it would of course vary, but would be interesting.

Higgenbotham wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 10:50 am

Bob Butler wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:08 am Medieval superstition dealt with concepts like gods, souls, sin and sacrifice.

Before going back to the Dark Age Hovel, though, I want to elaborate on my objection to your use of the phrase you have coined to describe how Christians think about abortion - "medieval superstitions", which was my real reason for starting this back and forth we have been having these past few days. I can now do so because you have sort of defined what you mean by that. When you use the word "medieval" a reasonable assumption would be that it refers to things that were primarily of the medieval world and are not of the present world. So let's look at the 4 items you listed - gods, souls, sin and sacrifice. If the plurality of Americans still believe in gods, souls, and sin, and those concepts it would stand to reason that this plurality would believe that there is a hell. Astonishingly, to me at least, they do as a majority, and they do across race, age, and every other affiliation besides religious or lack thereof. So to call beliefs in gods, souls, and sin medieval superstitions when these beliefs are very much present in this world I don't think is accurate.



There are some aspects of sacrifice such as animal sacrifice to appease or gain favor from the gods that could be considered medieval superstitions since they are no longer practiced in the present world. I discussed that in a previous post.

Bob Butler wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:48 pm One interesting thing in recent posts. You have a poll showing most Americans believe in or favor a lot of traditional religious aspects.