by Higgenbotham » Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:02 am
FullMoon wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:10 pm
For me, the more pressing issue is the population drop scenario. If such a sizeable percentage doesn't make it until plastics really are known to be dangerous, that sizeable number includes me and my family. The difficulties we'll face will make just making through dwarf any environmental concerns. I taught English abroad to students who came from pretty bad poverty. They always chose economic growth over environmental concerns because they were afraid of the effects of poverty more than the pollution economic growth brought. As an American, I found it astounding because even back then environmental protection was an important consideration. But not for them. Surviving and trying to rebuild will probably change perspectives quickly.even though we're infested with toxic plastics.
That reminds me of this post:
Higgenbotham wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:20 pm
HEB is the top grocery chain in Texas by market share. About 15 years ago, the local HEB opened a wellness section and put a manager in charge of it. She didn't seem to have much to do. One day we had a discussion about GMO and after that I thought to ask her something that would give me some insight into current conditions (at that time). I asked her when people get concerned about the issues she was discussing, when do they seek you out and talk to you. I remember her answer clear as a bell: "When they get sick."
How seriously people will take environmental issues will be in proportion to how sick they get from the pollution. With, let's say, 15% of young couples currently experiencing infertility, that would have to increase a lot before people get concerned. First, and I think I heard whispers of this a few weeks ago, there will be talk of increasing funding for ART like IVF.
Expanding Access to In Vitro Fertilization
The White House
February 18, 2025
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:
Section 1. Purpose and Policy. Today, many hopeful couples dream of starting a family, but as many as one in seven are unable to conceive a child. Despite their hopes and efforts, infertility struggles can make conception difficult, turning what should be a joyful experience into an emotional and financial struggle. My Administration recognizes the importance of family formation, and as a Nation, our public policy must make it easier for loving and longing mothers and fathers to have children.
In vitro fertilization (IVF) offers hope to men and women experiencing fertility challenges. Americans need reliable access to IVF and more affordable treatment options, as the cost per cycle can range from $12,000 to $25,000. Providing support, awareness, and access to affordable fertility treatments can help these families navigate their path to parenthood with hope and confidence.
Therefore, to support American families, it is the policy of my Administration to ensure reliable access to IVF treatment, including by easing unnecessary statutory or regulatory burdens to make IVF treatment drastically more affordable.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... ilization/
When that fails to work or gets too expensive for the majority, then people will get concerned. Same for any other health related problem.
I've speculated that will be around 2045, though, like I said, it's really going out on a limb to try to give a year or level of severity. All I can really say is things will get worse before they get better.
Higgenbotham wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:54 pm
Fourth generation: (born around 2045 plus or minus a few more years) Now really going out on a limb. Transgenerational effects in the mainstream American culture are now so severe that fertility and lifespan are affected to the point that it is evident mainstream culture is no longer viable. In most cases, disorders are so severe as to be irreversible and in many cases untreatable.
Higgenbotham wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:49 pm
Life during the coming dark age will be similar to the last dark age but worse due to environmental damage and pollution.
Certainly, the Microsoft study 2 posts above shows that virtually no American worker has time to thoroughly educate themselves on environmental issues even if they want to.
[quote=FullMoon post_id=91303 time=1750371018 user_id=3072]
For me, the more pressing issue is the population drop scenario. If such a sizeable percentage doesn't make it until plastics really are known to be dangerous, that sizeable number includes me and my family. The difficulties we'll face will make just making through dwarf any environmental concerns. I taught English abroad to students who came from pretty bad poverty. They always chose economic growth over environmental concerns because they were afraid of the effects of poverty more than the pollution economic growth brought. As an American, I found it astounding because even back then environmental protection was an important consideration. But not for them. Surviving and trying to rebuild will probably change perspectives quickly.even though we're infested with toxic plastics.[/quote]
That reminds me of this post:
[quote=Higgenbotham post_id=86182 time=1710346846 user_id=100]
HEB is the top grocery chain in Texas by market share. About 15 years ago, the local HEB opened a wellness section and put a manager in charge of it. She didn't seem to have much to do. One day we had a discussion about GMO and after that I thought to ask her something that would give me some insight into current conditions (at that time). I asked her when people get concerned about the issues she was discussing, when do they seek you out and talk to you. I remember her answer clear as a bell: "When they get sick."[/quote]
How seriously people will take environmental issues will be in proportion to how sick they get from the pollution. With, let's say, 15% of young couples currently experiencing infertility, that would have to increase a lot before people get concerned. First, and I think I heard whispers of this a few weeks ago, there will be talk of increasing funding for ART like IVF.
[quote]Expanding Access to In Vitro Fertilization
The White House
February 18, 2025
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:
Section 1. Purpose and Policy. Today, many hopeful couples dream of starting a family, but as many as one in seven are unable to conceive a child. Despite their hopes and efforts, infertility struggles can make conception difficult, turning what should be a joyful experience into an emotional and financial struggle. My Administration recognizes the importance of family formation, and as a Nation, our public policy must make it easier for loving and longing mothers and fathers to have children.
In vitro fertilization (IVF) offers hope to men and women experiencing fertility challenges. Americans need reliable access to IVF and more affordable treatment options, as the cost per cycle can range from $12,000 to $25,000. Providing support, awareness, and access to affordable fertility treatments can help these families navigate their path to parenthood with hope and confidence.
Therefore, to support American families, it is the policy of my Administration to ensure reliable access to IVF treatment, including by easing unnecessary statutory or regulatory burdens to make IVF treatment drastically more affordable.[/quote]
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/expanding-access-to-in-vitro-fertilization/
When that fails to work or gets too expensive for the majority, then people will get concerned. Same for any other health related problem.
I've speculated that will be around 2045, though, like I said, it's really going out on a limb to try to give a year or level of severity. All I can really say is things will get worse before they get better.
[quote=Higgenbotham post_id=85897 time=1708739658 user_id=100]
Fourth generation: (born around 2045 plus or minus a few more years) Now really going out on a limb. Transgenerational effects in the mainstream American culture are now so severe that fertility and lifespan are affected to the point that it is evident mainstream culture is no longer viable. In most cases, disorders are so severe as to be irreversible and in many cases untreatable.[/quote]
[quote=Higgenbotham post_id=37663 time=1518058157 user_id=100]
Life during the coming dark age will be similar to the last dark age but worse due to environmental damage and pollution.[/quote]
Certainly, the Microsoft study 2 posts above shows that virtually no American worker has time to thoroughly educate themselves on environmental issues even if they want to.