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[quote=Higgenbotham post_id=87152 time=1716944746 user_id=100]
[quote=Guest post_id=87144 time=1716877046]
What about security, Higgiebotham?

This issue is often ignored by half-baked preppers...[/quote]

...One thing maybe worth mentioning that is a bit off the beaten track and in my plans. I plan to put what looks like a tool storage shed out back, but it's really going to be a small rental unit. I plan to rent it to retired military or a retired police officer or similar profile at a bargain rate...[/quote]

The other day I was thinking about planting blackberries, which grow well in Texas. There are thornless blackberries and blackberries with thorns. Someone mentioned that the blackberries with thorns make a good security fence. Upon looking further, I ran across this old post on reddit:

[quote]Osage orange, thorny and fast growing, was used for fences before the invention of barbed wire. The wood is useful for crafting tool handles, fence posts, and bows.[/quote]

[quote]Osage orange makes a great natural fence. They are said to be 'horse high, hog tight, and bull strong'. I'm planning on giving this a try at some point.[/quote]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Permaculture/comments/r6hxj/natural_defenses_trees_bushes_what_do_you/

Cheep moisture sensors and shade screens H.
Nothing fancy. Also trim the tips and undeeded foilage.

[quote]Just like last time the assholes are still in denial.[/quote]
They only denied everything because they were somehow complicit.

FBI's Detroit Field Office, echoed the sentiment, framing the charges as a "crucial advancement" in safeguarding national security. Even CBP's Marty Raybon chimed in, emphasizing the agency's role in stopping biological threats that could "devastate our agricultural economy."

Jian, now in custody and deemed a flight risk, appeared in a Detroit federal court on Tuesday, where a judge ordered her held without bond pending a hearing. Liu, meanwhile, was sent back to China after his airport interception; his current whereabouts are unknown. Both have a history with the fungus, having co-authored multiple papers on Fusarium graminearum since 2014, which raises questions about how long this scheme was in development. Denials of involvement appear to have crumbled under the weight of text messages suggesting Jian was already cultivating the pathogen in the Michigan lab before Liu's arrival.

Now, let's connect the dots the mainstream won't touch. The CCP's fingerprints are all over this.

Just like last time the assholes are still in denial.

[quote=Higgenbotham post_id=91031 time=1745687115 user_id=100]
Back to this.

[quote=Higgenbotham post_id=86650 time=1713113360 user_id=100]
I've mentioned in these pages that somewhere around 1971, give or take a few years, and it would vary from sector to sector with probably the more complex sectors coming first, that the US entered the maintenance phase of a declining civilization. There was a slow recognition and response to that turning point.[/quote]

[quote=Higgenbotham post_id=48860 time=1576466037 user_id=100]
The mix of jobs begins to change and women are able to better do many of the jobs that become prominent during the maintenance and decline phase (like health care and education, which really just serve to milk out the surplus of the civilization before it collapses).[/quote]

WTF Happened In 1971?
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

While many of the graphs on this site are pertinent and interesting, I want to highlight this one:

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/J4v9tS0s/dual-income-1.jpg[/img]

Since 1971, the percentage of women who are sole bread winners has more than tripled, from 2 percent to 7 percent. We also know that many, many women now make more than their husbands.

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/YCfZ8RMR/img-0540-1-arrow.jpg[/img]
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Now Google AI has added its 2 cents.

[quote]AI Overview

In the context of the study of societal collapse, the "maintenance phase of a declining civilization" is a concept that describes a stage where a civilization is struggling to sustain its existence and address accumulating problems but is not yet in full collapse.

Key aspects of a maintenance phase in a declining civilization:

Focus on Preservation: Instead of growth and expansion, the primary focus shifts to maintaining existing systems and infrastructure, sometimes to the detriment of needed innovation or adaptation.
Declining Returns on Investment: According to theories like those of Joseph Tainter, as societies become more complex, the benefits derived from increasing complexity may diminish, leading to a state where the costs of maintaining that complexity outweigh the benefits.
Vulnerability to Collapse: At this stage, a society becomes increasingly susceptible to collapse, as the resources and energy required for maintenance may become unsustainable, leaving it vulnerable to internal or external shocks.

Examples from History:

The Mayan Civilization: Some scholars argue that the Classic Maya, while often presented as an example of collapse, experienced a period of reorganization where the political system of Divine Kingship was removed in certain areas, but their culture and language persisted.
The Greenland Norse: These colonists invested heavily in inner-fjord pastures and oversized stone churches, a focus on maintaining their current way of life that, according to some interpretations, hampered their ability to adapt to changing conditions and potentially survive.
The Khmer Empire: This empire, which flourished for centuries, was eventually affected by drought and violent monsoon rains, against a backdrop of a changing climate.

Theories of Societal Collapse:

Complexity Theory (Joseph Tainter): Suggests that societies collapse due to the unsustainable costs of increasing internal complexity.
Five Stages of Empire Model (David Murrin): Describes the stages of empire, including a "decline and legacy" stage where the spending required for maintenance decreases dramatically.
Jared Diamond's Factors: Identifies factors like environmental damage, climate change, hostile neighbors, and withdrawal of support from friendly neighbors as contributing to societal collapse.
General Systems Collapse Theory: Posits that societal collapse results from societal complexity exceeding a sustainable level.
Malthusian Theory: Suggests that population growth can outpace food production, leading to resource scarcity and societal instability.

In essence, the maintenance phase signifies a crucial point in a civilization's trajectory where the balance between maintenance and sustainability becomes a key factor in its future.

AI responses may include mistakes.[/quote]

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22maintenance+phase+of+a+declining+civilization%22&sca_esv=6cf83e9191071241&source=hp&ei=0Bw_aLTFGcr6kPIP09qp8AQ&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaD8q4I6fssAClEMrWsC962uGOKfYDkNd&ved=0ahUKEwi07ayr0NWNAxVKPUQIHVNtCk4Q4dUDCA8&oq=%22maintenance+phase+of+a+declining+civilization%22&gs_lp=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_qArIHBTMyLjE1uAegIcIHBzguMjEuMTjIB2o&sclient=gws-wiz

That's a big change from where google was a year ago:

[quote=Higgenbotham post_id=90909 time=1744303179 user_id=100]
[quote=Higgenbotham post_id=87385 time=1717903134 user_id=100]

Recently, I searched on google for "maintenance phase of a declining civilization" - you know I've used that phrase numerous times.

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/yYzLfLGm/Screenshot-2024-06-08-221607.png[/img][/quote]

Today's results are different:

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/WzZJTpWn/Screenshot-2025-04-10-113627.png[/img]
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Interesting. The political leaders involved in killing millions were born on average around 1885 while most of the notorious serial killers were born on average around 1945. If that's an 80 year cycle, the next wave of political leaders who will be involved in killing millions were born on average around 1965.

Also, the ones born around 1885 were early 40s when the real 1929 stock market panic and depression hit, while the serial killers were also early 40s when the false 1987 stock market panic hit.

Psychopaths are created in youth by traumatic events/environments is what I read when looking it up because the leaders of that era (Mao,Hitler, Stalin) were called psychopaths and reference to childhood trauma was cited. There's plenty of places with starvation and war so maybe they'll have a higher than average psychopath population?

The Great Depression and World War II may have caused enough stress to make more sperm go haywire. Think what a new dark age might do.

It's been noted that a lot of serial killers were born around World War II.

Search

"serial killer year of birth" gives these results from google AI:

AI Overview
The birth years of several notable serial killers include: Ted Bundy (1946), Samuel Little (1940), Randall Woodfield (1950), Gary Ridgway (1949), Joel Rifkin (1959), Richard Cottingham (1946), Keith Hunter Jesperson (1955), John Wayne Gacy (1942), Dennis Rader (1945), Danny Rolling (1954), Rodney Alcala (1943), David Berkowitz (1953), and Richard Ramirez (1960).

"prominent serial killers born around world war 2"

AI Overview
Several prominent serial killers were born around the time of World War II (roughly 1939-1945), and their crimes often came to light in the decades that followed.
Here are some notable examples:

Born in the late 1930s:
Dean Corll (born 1939): Known as the "Candy Man," he operated in Texas during the 1970s, torturing and killing at least 28 teenage boys.
Robert Hansen (born 1939): "The Butcher Baker," he kidnapped, raped, and murdered at least 17 women in Alaska between 1971 and 1983.

Born in the early to mid-1940s:
John Wayne Gacy (born 1942): "The Killer Clown," he sexually assaulted and murdered at least 33 young men and boys in Illinois between 1972 and 1978.
Rodney Alcala (born 1943): "The Dating Game Killer," he is believed to have murdered as many as 130 women, although he was convicted of only a handful of killings in California.
Dennis Rader (born 1945): "The BTK Killer" (Bind, Torture, Kill), he terrorized Wichita, Kansas, for three decades, murdering ten people between 1974 and 1991.
Ted Bundy (born 1946): One of the most infamous serial killers, Bundy is believed to have murdered dozens of women across several states in the 1970s.

Born in the later 1940s:
Edmund Kemper (born 1948): Known as the "Co-ed Killer," he murdered his grandparents as a teenager and then later killed several female college students in California in the early 1970s.
Gary Ridgway (born 1949): "The Green River Killer," he murdered at least 49 women in Washington State, primarily in the 1980s and 1990s.

Important Considerations:
"Golden Age" of Serial Killers: Some criminologists have noted a surge in serial killer activity in the latter half of the 20th century, a period sometimes referred to as the "golden age" of serial killers.
Causes and Influences: Various factors are hypothesized to have contributed to this phenomenon, including the social and psychological impacts of the Great Depression and World War II, alongside other societal shifts.
Complex Motivations: Serial killers' motivations are diverse and complex, often rooted in psychological disturbances and violent tendencies.
Ongoing Debate: The reasons behind the rise of serial killings and the motivations of individual perpetrators remain areas of ongoing research and debate within the fields of criminology and psychology.

[quote]The generational cycle could have a biological basis.
[/quote]
It's a worthy investigation for the connection between the individual and society. Our current society is obviously not healthy overall. In many aspects. We see the push to return to health but it's hard to break away from the machine...