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Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:02 am

FullMoon wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:10 pm For me, the more pressing issue is the population drop scenario. If such a sizeable percentage doesn't make it until plastics really are known to be dangerous, that sizeable number includes me and my family. The difficulties we'll face will make just making through dwarf any environmental concerns. I taught English abroad to students who came from pretty bad poverty. They always chose economic growth over environmental concerns because they were afraid of the effects of poverty more than the pollution economic growth brought. As an American, I found it astounding because even back then environmental protection was an important consideration. But not for them. Surviving and trying to rebuild will probably change perspectives quickly.even though we're infested with toxic plastics.
That reminds me of this post:
Higgenbotham wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:20 pm HEB is the top grocery chain in Texas by market share. About 15 years ago, the local HEB opened a wellness section and put a manager in charge of it. She didn't seem to have much to do. One day we had a discussion about GMO and after that I thought to ask her something that would give me some insight into current conditions (at that time). I asked her when people get concerned about the issues she was discussing, when do they seek you out and talk to you. I remember her answer clear as a bell: "When they get sick."
How seriously people will take environmental issues will be in proportion to how sick they get from the pollution. With, let's say, 15% of young couples currently experiencing infertility, that would have to increase a lot before people get concerned. First, and I think I heard whispers of this a few weeks ago, there will be talk of increasing funding for ART like IVF.
Expanding Access to In Vitro Fertilization
The White House
February 18, 2025

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:

Section 1. Purpose and Policy. Today, many hopeful couples dream of starting a family, but as many as one in seven are unable to conceive a child. Despite their hopes and efforts, infertility struggles can make conception difficult, turning what should be a joyful experience into an emotional and financial struggle. My Administration recognizes the importance of family formation, and as a Nation, our public policy must make it easier for loving and longing mothers and fathers to have children.

In vitro fertilization (IVF) offers hope to men and women experiencing fertility challenges. Americans need reliable access to IVF and more affordable treatment options, as the cost per cycle can range from $12,000 to $25,000. Providing support, awareness, and access to affordable fertility treatments can help these families navigate their path to parenthood with hope and confidence.

Therefore, to support American families, it is the policy of my Administration to ensure reliable access to IVF treatment, including by easing unnecessary statutory or regulatory burdens to make IVF treatment drastically more affordable.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... ilization/

When that fails to work or gets too expensive for the majority, then people will get concerned. Same for any other health related problem.

I've speculated that will be around 2045, though, like I said, it's really going out on a limb to try to give a year or level of severity. All I can really say is things will get worse before they get better.
Higgenbotham wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:54 pm Fourth generation: (born around 2045 plus or minus a few more years) Now really going out on a limb. Transgenerational effects in the mainstream American culture are now so severe that fertility and lifespan are affected to the point that it is evident mainstream culture is no longer viable. In most cases, disorders are so severe as to be irreversible and in many cases untreatable.
Higgenbotham wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:49 pm Life during the coming dark age will be similar to the last dark age but worse due to environmental damage and pollution.
Certainly, the Microsoft study 2 posts above shows that virtually no American worker has time to thoroughly educate themselves on environmental issues even if they want to.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:24 pm

Higgenbotham wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:13 pm Also, I think that once the numbers of births start to decline, that is the point at which the rate of physical expansion of the civilization also starts to slow down and, therefore, traditional male activities like building infrastructure begin to decline and the civilization enters into a maintenance phase before the inevitable decline. The mix of jobs begins to change and women are able to better do many of the jobs that become prominent during the maintenance and decline phase (like health care and education, which really just serve to milk out the surplus of the civilization before it collapses). This shift in the job mix has the effect of accelerating the decline (further reducing births and the effects that result from the further reduction in births).
Some interesting related details in this recent news article:
The Research Triangle is one of the many places across the US that has doubled down on higher education and health care institutions — often dubbed the “eds and meds” approach — as a way to drive economic growth.
Duke University, which between its university and health system employs some 50,000 people, is the second largest private-sector employer in the state. It’s seeking to slash $350 million in spending to prepare for federal funding cuts, the threat of fewer international students and a potential endowment tax.
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The job cuts announced in and around the Research Triangle related to federal funding so far aren’t large enough to throw the region’s economy off course, said Matthew Martin, a regional executive at the Richmond Fed.
The area’s richness in biopharmaceuticals, global health, research “didn’t happen by accident,” San Martin said. “That was the result of decades of consistent investment by the US government in these important areas.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets ... 8e39&ei=13

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:14 pm

American workers are stuck in an 'infinite workday,' according to Microsoft report: 'People are feeling very burnt out'

Story by Sophie Caldwell • 9h • 3 min read

If you've ever complained that the modern workday is unending, you may be right.

According to a new report from Microsoft, employees are now experiencing an "infinite workday" of constant emails, meetings and notifications. They check their emails as early as 6 a.m., juggle meetings through the afternoon and then stay online well into the night.

Simply put, "it's a very long day," says Alexia Cambon, senior research director at Microsoft.

Beyond the extended hours, workers are beset with notifications. According to Microsoft's data, employees are interrupted every two minutes by meetings, emails or messages, and receive an average of 117 emails and 153 Teams messages each workday.

As a result, people are feeling overwhelmed: 48% of employees and 52% of leaders reported that work feels "chaotic and fragmented" in Microsoft's Work Trend Index survey, and 80% of global workers said they lack sufficient time and energy to do their work.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers ... 200c&ei=12

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by FullMoon » Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:10 pm

For me, the more pressing issue is the population drop scenario. If such a sizeable percentage doesn't make it until plastics really are known to be dangerous, that sizeable number includes me and my family. The difficulties we'll face will make just making through dwarf any environmental concerns. I taught English abroad to students who came from pretty bad poverty. They always chose economic growth over environmental concerns because they were afraid of the effects of poverty more than the pollution economic growth brought. As an American, I found it astounding because even back then environmental protection was an important consideration. But not for them. Surviving and trying to rebuild will probably change perspectives quickly.even though we're infested with toxic plastics.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Thu Jun 19, 2025 12:32 am

“If we have these contaminants in our rainwater they’re getting into our groundwater,” Brahney said. “They’re infiltrating our soils. Every organism is interacting with rainwater.”

Ultimately, what all of this research reveals is that the planet is dirty, even if the filth can be hard to see. These chemicals are in the rain because they’re abundant in the environment — and they’re in the environment because they’re in the rain. And while there’s ongoing research, we don’t yet fully understand how those pollutants impact our bodies and our ecosystems. We just know they’ll be around for a very, very long time.

“To be honest, I cry, because there’s no walking this back,” Brahney said of microplastic pollution. “These particles don’t break down at a time scale that would be relevant. So yeah, we’re not escaping that.”
https://www.vox.com/climate/401600/pfas ... ution-rain

I suspect about 80 years from now there will be a subgroup of humans somewhere that will measure decreasing levels of microplastics in the bodies of their children versus the previous generation. That's about as optimistic as I can get.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by FullMoon » Wed Jun 18, 2025 11:16 pm

They've shown UV does good work on plastic. Plus just consider time scale. They'll be gone quickly. Probably faster than these crazy war mongering people.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:40 pm

OK, so I have a 25 year old Toyota and it's a great car overall. It has a lot of plastic in it. The plastic makes it light weight and it gets great fuel mileage. Still gets 30 mpg overall in city driving.

The 1967 independent film The Graduate was the highest grossing film of that year and, adjusted for inflation, is the 22nd highest grossing film in the US. It is widely regarded as one of the greatest and most influential films. This is a quote from the film:

Mr. McGuire: I just want to say one word to you. Just one word.
Benjamin: Yes, sir.
Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?
Benjamin: Yes, I am.
Mr. McGuire: Plastics.
Benjamin: Exactly how do you mean?
Mr. McGuire: There's a great future in plastics. Think about it. Will you think about it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSxihhBzCjk

Plastic has been regarded to be great for a lot of things, fuel economy being only one of them. And from circa 1971, fuel economy was considered essential. To maintain industrial civilization the way we were used to it, we needed cars that got better fuel economy and plastic helped us do that.
In response to the oil price shocks of the early 1970s, Congress passed the nation's first fuel economy standards in 1975. The law called for a doubling of passenger vehicle efficiency—to 27.5 miles per gallon—within 10 years.
https://www.pew.org/~/media/Assets/2007 ... conomy.pdf

A few weeks ago, the manual door lock on this Toyota stopped unlocking and locking when the key was turned. Turned out a tiny plastic part called a door rod lock clip had broken off. A locksmith who could stick his camera inside the door was the one who found out what the problem was. He then tried to disassemble the door to get to it. When he got to just the second step, the plastic was too brittle for him to easily disassemble it and he said it was close to breaking. He said maybe he could get it done in an hour. At that point, I asked him to stop and said I would disassemble it and get the part, then he could finish the job. He was happy to have me do that. I spent about 1 hour 40 minutes getting everything apart and was able to get the pieces out he was having trouble with intact. However, the door panel was lined with a piece of plastic that has deteriorated badly. Probably I can patch it up and get everything back together OK.

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So while that piece of plastic and others served everyone well during the maintenance phase, now we have to deal with all the deteriorating plastic and its unintended consequences, including maintenance issues, health issues due to plastic related breakdown products - toxins used as additives, microplastics, and nanoplastics - and who knows what else. It's only recently that microplastics and nanoplastics are even being looked at in any detail. My spell check on this site is even showing that, while microplastics is a word, nanoplastics is not yet.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by FullMoon » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:38 pm

I'm still going to recommend getting animals for protein as a necessary basic food and part of a prepping food program. Chicken and Bunnie are a good start I've found. Eggs cooked with greens in the morning and meat when you want, all self sufficient and all that are needed. All within you ability to contain, feed and feed the family unit. All need learning and practice.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:28 pm

Higgenbotham wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 12:09 pm
Higgenbotham wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:49 pm I've mentioned in these pages that somewhere around 1971, give or take a few years, and it would vary from sector to sector with probably the more complex sectors coming first, that the US entered the maintenance phase of a declining civilization. There was a slow recognition and response to that turning point.
Now Google AI has added its 2 cents.
AI Overview

In the context of the study of societal collapse, the "maintenance phase of a declining civilization" is a concept that describes a stage where a civilization is struggling to sustain its existence and address accumulating problems but is not yet in full collapse.

Key aspects of a maintenance phase in a declining civilization:

Focus on Preservation: Instead of growth and expansion, the primary focus shifts to maintaining existing systems and infrastructure, sometimes to the detriment of needed innovation or adaptation.
Declining Returns on Investment: According to theories like those of Joseph Tainter, as societies become more complex, the benefits derived from increasing complexity may diminish, leading to a state where the costs of maintaining that complexity outweigh the benefits.
Vulnerability to Collapse: At this stage, a society becomes increasingly susceptible to collapse, as the resources and energy required for maintenance may become unsustainable, leaving it vulnerable to internal or external shocks.

Examples from History:

The Mayan Civilization: Some scholars argue that the Classic Maya, while often presented as an example of collapse, experienced a period of reorganization where the political system of Divine Kingship was removed in certain areas, but their culture and language persisted.
The Greenland Norse: These colonists invested heavily in inner-fjord pastures and oversized stone churches, a focus on maintaining their current way of life that, according to some interpretations, hampered their ability to adapt to changing conditions and potentially survive.
The Khmer Empire: This empire, which flourished for centuries, was eventually affected by drought and violent monsoon rains, against a backdrop of a changing climate.

Theories of Societal Collapse:

Complexity Theory (Joseph Tainter): Suggests that societies collapse due to the unsustainable costs of increasing internal complexity.
Five Stages of Empire Model (David Murrin): Describes the stages of empire, including a "decline and legacy" stage where the spending required for maintenance decreases dramatically.
Jared Diamond's Factors: Identifies factors like environmental damage, climate change, hostile neighbors, and withdrawal of support from friendly neighbors as contributing to societal collapse.
General Systems Collapse Theory: Posits that societal collapse results from societal complexity exceeding a sustainable level.
Malthusian Theory: Suggests that population growth can outpace food production, leading to resource scarcity and societal instability.

In essence, the maintenance phase signifies a crucial point in a civilization's trajectory where the balance between maintenance and sustainability becomes a key factor in its future.

AI responses may include mistakes.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22main ... nt=gws-wiz
A closer look at what "maintenance phase of a declining civilization" means.

One facet of the maintenance phase is extraordinary measures that might not have been done otherwise were taken to prevent industrial civilization from collapsing. Some of those extraordinary measures (not all inclusive) were:

Most women and many more immigrants entered the workforce
Abortion legalized
Production offshored to cheaper locations
Lighter and cheaper materials used, especially plastics
Dollar convertibility to gold ended
Bailouts of insolvent funds and institutions
Computers adopted primarily to increase efficiency

Looking at this short list, which could be expanded but doesn't really need to be for these purposes, it can be seen that these extraordinary measures provided a short term boost but had longer term detrimental effects. To give a specific example, I'll talk a bit about plastics because I happen to be working on something now that relates to that.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:34 am

Trump, in reversal, may exempt farms and hotels from immigration raids

After complaints from farm and hotel owners, Trump said he may halt ICE raids in those industries. If he does, experts say, he will struggle to meet his goal of 3,000 detentions a day.

June 15, 2025, 7:00 AM CDT
By Laura Strickler, Rob Wile and Didi Martinez

President Donald Trump said on social media Thursday that he is willing to exempt the agriculture and hotel industries from his nationwide immigration crackdown. The surprise move came after executives in both industries complained to Trump about losing reliable, longtime immigrant workers in immigration raids and struggling to replace them.

“Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace,” Trump wrote.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr ... rcna212958

Farms are going to get smaller anyway. But since we entered the maintenance phase of a declining civilization, around 1971 or so, farm size has held steady.

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Average farm size in states like North Dakota and Nebraska is still increasing, so I would guess things haven't turned the corner quite yet.

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