Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

Awakening eras, crisis eras, crisis wars, generational financial crashes, as applied to historical and current events
Higgenbotham
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Re: Boomers -- How to survive in a Gen-X world

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John wrote:Earlier this year, I had a notable experience in a workplace
situation.
I've had 4 incidents like this in the past 2 years with women 18 to 27 years younger than me. I won't go into all the details except to boil it down to what I really think is going on in all these cases. I haven't read or seen enough to know if this is what is going on in your case.

The youngest girl e-mailed me a few days after the stock market crashed in October. She said she and her mother would like to come and visit and would that be OK. She said her mother wanted to meet me. I said sure, you and your mother are welcome here any time. They spent a couple hours here. The girl has moved back home and is going to school and working. Her mother said she had heard a lot about me and at one point referred to me as a "nice young man." Her mother is 4 years older than me. She wanted to take a picture of me with her daughter. As they left, the girl asked me to give her a hug. Similar to what you did, I hugged her with great gusto right in front of her mother. I could tell she wasn't expecting that and was uncomfortable with it.

A few days after she left, I IM'ed a friend of hers and got on the subject of economic collapse. Her friend, said, yeah, I told her this economy isn't going to get any better and now she's figured it out too.

My sister has been baffled by all this. I explained to my sister that the families may be in debt, the father may be in danger of losing his job, and that when an economy collapses in many cases the only asset a family has is their young daughter(s). They can either send her into prostitution or marry her off to a man with money.

I haven't heard from this girl since the stock market has recovered. When the economy collapses, I will hear from her again. That's been the history anyway - when things worsen, they tend to show up.

On Thanksgiving I told my Dad, who was born on a farm with an outhouse and no running water in 1933, what had transpired. He kind of grinned and said, oh yeah? Nothing more needed to be explained.

I would add that when the Millenials are involved the stories are wholesome like the above, but with the Xer it was really filthy and nasty. The particular Xer has gone into prostitution to support herself and her child from a nasty divorce similar to what you described.

Along similar lines, as previously mentioned, I was in an old factory town in the former Soviet Union about 5 years ago. It's rare for Americans to venture deep into the bowels of the former Soviet Union and the young women were curious. So 4 women were gathered around one night and they decided that I should look at pictures and tell them whether or which of the women in the pictures were the most attractive. In one of the pictures there was a gathering of people where a very attractive woman in her late 20s was sitting with an ugly old man. For some reason, they went to the next picture without comment and I then asked Angelina, the woman who had set up my visit, to flip back to that picture. I asked Angelina (who was married and had a family) what that attractive young woman was doing with that ugly old man. She first explained that the man was from England and that he had bought the young woman an apartment, a car, clothes, etc. Then she looked at me very seriously and said something like, you don't understand, oh, this man, this is a very good man, when you get close to this man, oh, it is different than looking at the picture, he is such a good man. She said the young woman was very happy being with this man. Her manner of speaking was very earnest, heartfelt, and serious. This was quite remarkable to me even though my intent, as explained in a previous thread, was to try to learn how a society is different post collapse, and this was foremost in my mind.
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Re: Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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Here's a story of Reverse Rapo pulled by a Boomer on two Xers.

I got hired by a company and there was a temporary Xer employee who had to give up her cubicle. So I was very nice to her because I felt bad about taking her cubicle. I got a new computer. She sometimes asked if she could use my computer and I said yes, anytime.

There was a bored married Boomer observing this. So one day he said to me, pssst, she's spending a lot of time in your cubicle, you have the fastest computer, ha ha, are you going to ask her out. I said I didn't think so because she was too busy with school and didn't have time. I thought that would pacify him but it didn't.

I found out later that he went to her behind my back and told her that when the semester finished (about two months away) I was going to ask her out. She bought that as a true story. So unbeknownst to me, she continued to visit with me and I continued to be nice to her because I was the new guy on the block who had taken her cubicle and he continued to watch in eager anticipation of the shitbomb he had tossed into the office that was going to explode.

So the semester ended and she came into "our" cubicle and said that a mutual friends band was playing that night and did I want to go. I said I was too tired from the two day meetings I had just come back from and maybe some other time. The next morning I walked into her cubicle (which she now had to share with other people) smiled, and asked her how it went. She said "stop laughing at me" and turned away.

Luckily, it didn't take me too long to figure out what all had transpired and for her to be willing to discuss it. She said, yes, the Boomer had misled her in exactly the way I suspected and she felt like a real fool. I assured her that I would never laugh at her for any reason. Our friendship coninued in a more muted way, but things were never the same after that. I believe she thought about it more and was never really sure what went down.
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Re: Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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Higgenbotham wrote: > Luckily, it didn't take me too long to figure out what all had
> transpired and for her to be willing to discuss it. She said, yes,
> the Boomer had misled her in exactly the way I suspected and she
> felt like a real fool. I assured her that I would never laugh at
> her for any reason. Our friendship coninued in a more muted way,
> but things were never the same after that. I believe she thought
> about it more and was never really sure what went down.
That's an interesting story. For what it's worth, my view of why
things were never the same after that was because she was very much
attracted to you and was REALLY looking forward to going out with you,
and was very disappointed when she realized that wouldn't happen.
It's even possible that the Boomer realized that and was trying to
play matchmaker in some psychotic way.

John

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Urban Dictionary: Baby Boomer

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A reader called my attention to the Urban Dictionary definition
of Baby Boomer. Some excerpts:

1. The generation that destroyed the West. This fucking baby boomer
fought no wars, underfunded the welfare state, failed to have any
kids, bought the White Album and was a generally self-righteous hippy
cunt while Rome burned. Now he wants MY taxes to pay his pension and
medical costs for 40 years of mounting senility? Fuck that.

2. The people who are destroying social security. "Those baby boomers
are taking all our money!!!"

3. An elderly person who should not be allowed to purchase an
electronic device without first consulting with a ten-year-old
regarding its proper use and maintenance. I watched in horror as my
baby boomer boss pounded on the keyboard in an attempt to "figure out
the e-mail."

4. Baby Boomer- (n) 1. An incompetent, fat, grey, lazy product of the
"greatest generation," born between 1941 and 1955. 2. The nemesis of
Gen X. 3. Former "Hippie" currently holding tenured academic
professorship in disciplines requiring intelligence beyond their
predetermined genetic capacity for advanced abstract
reasoning. 4. Member of the largest demographic bubble in America that
also refuses to retire. See "Viagrant"

5. An American who was born between 1941 and 1955. This generation is
collectively known as "the baby boomers" or "the boomers" and was
given everything it ever wanted through the hard work of its
parents. Many of these boomers grew up to be self-righteous
individuals who today are attempting to destroy every well-meaning
public service program in existence. ... Favorite pass-times include
bullying 20-somethings over perceived irresponsibility, overeating,
not exercising, spending large sums of money, and introducing corrupt
maladaptive political legislation. Unfortunately specific examples
would not serve to prove these concepts well, as no set of examples
could sufficiently express the sheer stupidity and foolishness that
the boomers have exhibited time and time again in The United States of
America. Overall, their generation will go down in the history books
as being the most selfish and maladaptive the world has ever known.

6. The people who say our generation is the dumbest generation, yet
their generation caused a global economic meltdown. It wasn't the
Millennials buying up houses they couldn't afford and giving those
loans out. It wasn't the Millennials racking up enormous credit card
debt and creating a society based on material goods. (Despite their
former Hippie days where they spurned materialism, these baby boomers
have become the most materialistic generation). They will suck us dry
with exorbitant Medicare and Social Security costs, leaving no social
safety net for those who are under the age of 40 as of 2010 officially
screwed. ... You can thank the baby boomers for destroying the society
the Greatest Generation created.

7. Generation of Americans born between 1946 and 1964. Associated
with Hippies, the environmental movement, the typical Baby Boomer was
raised on the culture that the government will give him/her whatever
she wants or needs in life. Being raised with the nanny state]
mentality, Baby Boomers are the leading factor to the disappearance of
personal responisbility, spending beyond one's means, and the physical
and moral degeneration of the family in American culture. The
generation that was born and raised during the Great Depression helped
build America to greatness. The Baby Boomers came in and destroyed it.

8. The generation that cost tax payers about seven billion dollars
over teen pregnancy. He knocked you up again? You baby boomer bitch.

9. A generation full of misinformed teens who became pregnant over a
lack of love & attention with their childhood. Contrary to popular
belief, having a child will not make you happy unless there is a solid
foundation. A child in the baby boomer generation? Sounds
expensive... perhaps the last thing you would want during a recession.

10. an infant terrorist ME: "Look out for that stroller man, it might
be a baby boomer!"

11. (1) a person, usually American, born during the "baby boom" of
World War II. (2) the individuals who (myopically)dominated American
culture up to at least the end of the Clinton era. (also: Boomers)
"Isn't it frigging amazing how the Beatles and Led Zepplin and the
Grateful Dead and Paul Simon and all those '60's bands get so much
play time?" "Not really. They're all baby boomers."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... y%20boomer

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Re: Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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John wrote:It's even possible that the Boomer realized that and was trying to
play matchmaker in some psychotic way.

John
Possible. I now remember when one of the office marriages fell apart he made a trip with another Boomer in the office to visit the wife and get her side of the story, the goal being to somehow try to help patch things up. He told me every detail of what she said, including all the obnoxious behaviors our office mate engaged in that irritated the soon to be ex. So while in both instances what he did wasn't helpful, the intent may have been to be helpful.

My feeling about such behavior is that the main underlying driver was boredom. If I indicated no interest in asking her out, that ended the show and didn't alleviate boredom, but tossing something out to her might have created a response that was interesting to watch.
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Re: Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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Regarding the Xer who is 18 years younger than me, this is a neighbor who lives very close by. She had an Xer boyfriend who is a district sales manager for a software company. He is 5 years older than her. Whenever she was with him and would see me she would start to gush as you described. Her usual response was to rush up and high five me. I assumed that was all designed to irritate him. I believe he was paying most of her living expenses. She told me she got him involved in going to swinger clubs and swapping. She didn't tell me this, but I think she also got him involved in bondage. One night, he got arrested and booked on a felony domestic violence charge. I found his mugshot on the Internet and his face was severely bruised and bitten up. Not too long before that, maybe 3 or 4 months, she had repeatedly suggested either that I take her out to dinner or attend church with her. I didn't take her up on that. Maybe a month or two after that, she invited me over. She got some drugs out of her purse and started to smoke, insisting that I do too. I told her I wasn't interested. She then began to take her clothes off. I told her everything looked nice, thanks but no thanks and left. Then a couple months after that her boyfriend was arrested. I asked her about that, then stopped talking to her. A couple months later, she beat furiously on my door. I opened it up and she launched into a vicious tirade about me calling the cops on her and then even more filthy crap came out of her mouth. Of course, had she been able to establish a relationship, she could have had me arrested on a domestic violence charge right then and there. I resisted the temptation to threaten or hit her (which could/would have gotten me arrested regardless). The next morning I went straight to the apartment office and told them what happened, then documented that in an e-mail. They hit her with a lease violation and told her if she bothered me again she would be evicted. I haven't spoken a word to her in 15 months.

Like John said, guys, be very careful. The laws are not on your side and you could be shocked to find yourself in jail and facing a felony charge for a crime you did not commit. If she had been able to establish a relationship and get a temporary domestic restraining order, I may have been force to move (it would seem to work that way in theory anyway). And even if you are found not guilty that will stay on your record. In addition to the guy I described, her ex husband was arrested for aggravated stalking and the charge was dropped. But the record is right out there on the Internet.
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Re: Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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Oh, hell, I've gotten into big trouble just for telling someone I thought she was attractive. She was upset, I was trying to comfort her, and the next thing I heard, I was being accused of sexual harassment. They didn't even bother to try and get my side of the story; they already made up their minds that I was guilty and nothing I could say would be able to convince them. It's a story that's repeated more than once in my life. I'm very wary of any compliments I give out.

Where I would disagree with you, John, is that the Millennials are being taught this as well and many of them are buying it because they don't know anything else. It's amazing the kind of things I heard.

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Re: Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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In an earlier posting, I made brief mention of X'ers and bullying. As an early-wave X'er, I think something that really set much of the tone of the formative years of X'ers is just how much school bullying (and other bullying) was dished out by loads of X'ers; the ferocity of much of it (e.g., viciously mean, or pornographic to the point of possibly making Larry Flynt blush); and the lack of understanding, awareness, and sympathy that Boomers and Silents had toward it. If so many X'ers seem mean, I strongly gather that much of its genesis lies here. And, for those X'ers who don't seem super-mean, it seems like they were cultivated to have no moral duty to give a shit about intervening and stopping the bullying (which aligns with John's lack-of-moral-duty element he ascribes to so many X'ers).

I can see why the Columbine High School massacre occurred: savage X'er bullying coupled with X'er, Boomer, and Silent teachers/administrators who couldn't see it, or to the extent that they could, saw no moral duty to take it seriously or give a shit about it. And, that formative X'er training has no doubt carried over in adulthood to the workplace and society at large today. —Best regards, Marc

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Re: Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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That was the time period where kids were told to basically do everything by themselves, the latch-key kids and so on. Under those circumstances, many people looked the other way; it was not a good time to be a child and it seems to be the curse of the nomads.

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Re: Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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"Rapo?" Incredible. People would actually poop at their own breakfast table in order to play sex games? I've been working in mixed sex environments for 21 years and I've never experienced those types of games and never been accused of sexual harassment. What kinds of environments do these take place in? Obviously, some people don't have enough work to do or enough discipline to do it.

Perhaps the managers I work for deserve more credit than I give them. They don't tolerate a junior high atmosphere.

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