Couple Singularity books

FishbellykanakaDude
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I think I shall pour a nifty large snifter-ish glass of Merlot and ramble off a tale of an actual human being making the transition into a world where the "genocidal cycle" of all things negentropic has been "smoothed" into the long upward accelerating curve of the search for beauty that the Planetary Apex Lifeform insists upon as the meaning of life per se.

..or simply write a story presenting the weird "reality" as to why the Planetary Apex Lifeform allows it's court jester "humans" to amuse themselves, and their family, as well as the family Apex.

The basis of wisdom is humility, and wisdom insists that the next "step" be gracefully "allowed" to take it's due position..

Immortality, like "time travel", is an impossibility that will be fruitfully striven for but never achieved, and in that failure bring supreme happiness to the players and the audience of that celestial play.

..and, yes,.. I am enjoying my large glass of Merlot,.. which I need to refill... :)

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** 12-Dec-2019 World View: Time travel and immortality
FishbellykanakaDude wrote: > Immortality, like "time travel", is an impossibility that will be
> fruitfully striven for but never achieved, and in that failure
> bring supreme happiness to the players and the audience of that
> celestial play.
Time travel is impossible to the past, but time travel to the future
is possible. Just arrange for someone to freeze your body, and then
thaw you out at whatever time you've specified. You've effectively
traveled in time to the future, though of course you can't get back.

And immortality? Well, there are people thinking about implementing
the human brain in computer hardware and software. Once that system
is available, you can upload your brain into that computer, and you'd
be immortal, as long as you make sure to do regular backups.

You can even arrange for your brain computer to be inside a good-looking
humanoid robot, so you'd not only be immortal, but you'd even be
young and hot.

Image
  • Robots Arnold Schwarzenegger and Kristanna Loken in the
    movie Terminator


You could be immortal and look like one of those robots.

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John wrote:** 12-Dec-2019 World View: Time travel and immortality
FishbellykanakaDude wrote: > Immortality, like "time travel", is an impossibility that will be
> fruitfully striven for but never achieved, and in that failure
> bring supreme happiness to the players and the audience of that
> celestial play.
Time travel is impossible to the past, but time travel to the future
is possible. Just arrange for someone to freeze your body, and then
thaw you out at whatever time you've specified. You've effectively
traveled in time to the future, though of course you can't get back.

And immortality? Well, there are people thinking about implementing
the human brain in computer hardware and software. Once that system
is available, you can upload your brain into that computer, and you'd
be immortal, as long as you make sure to do regular backups.

You can even arrange for your brain computer to be inside a good-looking
humanoid robot, so you'd not only be immortal, but you'd even be
young and hot.

Image
  • Robots Arnold Schwarzenegger and Kristanna Loken in the
    movie Terminator


You could be immortal and look like one of those robots.
Art, and the other forms of negentropic "machination", are the only possible forms of forward time travel, where a "thing" ("thing" used in the old-norse-ish meaning) coherently "travels" forward in time. That is "willful" forward time travel.

..of course, that's not really saying much, as it's obvious and simply a description of reality.

But the INTERESTING part is that, while "willful" time travel into the PAST is impossible, "teleological" time travel into the past (aka: information traveling from "future" to "past") is not only possible but mandatory/necessary. THAT is the description of God "in action".

In other words: The "past/previous" is informed (or loosely "formed") by the "future".

Being downloaded into a mechanism (capable of maintaining a contained thing's "coherence") is not immortality. It is simply prolongation. Shit happens to all "mechanisms".

I am immortal until I'm not. :) Just as it always was...



...and this gets us back to the question of "Is the world changing 'differently' than it has the past?"

The world (universe) doesn't develop in "loops",.. it progresses from "here" to "there", then further on, never to return to "here" again.

So, the world is changing differently than it has in the past, but that is the only way that it CAN change, and always has changed, so in fact it has not changed the way it changes at all.

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An improbably late Singularity in “The Martian Job,” by Jaine Fenn.
Military AI appears in Pentagon, wipes North Korea, America must be wiped to stop it.
But can an AI based on Eastern as opposed to Western philosophy do better?
SHARKS (crossed out) MONGEESE (sic) WITH FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS

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Maybe this is how we will control the AIs:
https://365tomorrows.com/2020/01/27/a-luxury-of-kings/
SHARKS (crossed out) MONGEESE (sic) WITH FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS

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Clarkesworld for April 2021 has a short story set in 2035.
Communist Computer Rap God by Andrea Kriz depicts a world where there are a couple dozen AIs. They cannot be deliberately programmed, they only arise by accident. Because of this, as the IBM manuals would say "the results are unpredictable" You can get an idea of the featured AI by the title :-)
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Tom, what do you actually think will happen?

Why have futurists predictions been so bad up to this point?

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Futurists and scifi writers, in general, tend to overestimate near term progress and underestimate long term progress. In the near term, they are thinking of the work currently being done on stuff and don't expect roadbumps in the way. In the long term, they can't take into account presently unknown discoveries that advance STEM fields.
Also, history is extremely chaotic. A few Saudis in the desert changed the geopolitical structure of the world on September 11, 2001. A random submicroscopic viral mistake a couple years ago has killed three million and counting, crippled millions more and staggered the world's economy (John likes to invoke this in refusing to make specific predictions. He is right in that. But he has "inevitable" developments that have not happened in and it is getting late to claim they are "trending". But that's a diversion to your question).
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Tom Mazanec wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:53 am
Futurists and scifi writers, in general, tend to overestimate near term progress and underestimate long term progress. In the near term, they are thinking of the work currently being done on stuff and don't expect roadbumps in the way. In the long term, they can't take into account presently unknown discoveries that advance STEM fields.
Also, history is extremely chaotic. A few Saudis in the desert changed the geopolitical structure of the world on September 11, 2001. A random submicroscopic viral mistake a couple years ago has killed three million and counting, crippled millions more and staggered the world's economy (John likes to invoke this in refusing to make specific predictions. He is right in that. But he has "inevitable" developments that have not happened in and it is getting late to claim they are "trending". But that's a diversion to your question).
I largely agree with this. It seems that the islamic warmongers are only permitted to do things to the world as per globalist desire, which is why so little has been done after seemingly a constant onslaught was unleashed (since 2001). It's interesting in that this permission only seems to hurt the prospect of continued family formation for europeans, the hardest for globalist to control (war, invasion through immigration, etc).

When things that are predicted at 4-5 year intervals don't come true for 10-20 years, it is indeed to take people that seriously about said topic. That doesn't mean the principles of the conversation shouldn't be considered. However, the doubling down on being right and it's clear or xyz you would think would be taken with some humility after the predictions clearly have failed.

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