Religion and Vaccine Arguments

[Guest]

It's obvious, as we have said. It was obvious from a medical point of view a long time ago, everyone was just captured, and that shows you that few believe in things like freedom or principle any longer. What's more, people here defended it and took the jab (or more) and are deceived on many levels.

My question to this site, as on a few topics, is If you can't understand what went on during covid, how do you presume to understand anything going on geopolitically"? It was both an IQ and an expert analysis test.

Most, or at least a lot, here at this site, failed.

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I'm curious as to the opinions on the board, regarding the view that the vaccines will induce cytokine storm when people confront a new variant or the coronavirus (or its cousins) again - do you all think that's the issue? Was it a plan or was it just to make money and control people during the phase of fear? Or is it to see if mRNA therapies will work on a EUA basis so the powers that be can test it on the scared guinea pigs ... something they couldn't have done for a full 5-10 years otherwise due to safety precautions, FDA, etc.?

At least you can theoretically suggest that the science makes sense for the mRNA therapy, which it does. That doesn't mean that not robustly testing and watching what it does (as is usual) regarding Adverse Effects is a smart thing to do.

[tim]

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/ ... -have-died

More than 10 policemen have "died suddenly" in Italy since January 1
An article that mentions "vaccination" (!) notes that the policemen's union has been looking for "a coherent analysis of the phenomenon," but that the government appears to be stonewalling them

Since this nightmare started just over three years ago, we’ve been noticing that more and more people have “died suddenly” not singly but collectively. Last year, for instance, some 15 Jamaican schoolteachers dropped dead within the same few months (more black lives that don’t matter, since it was the “vaccines,” not white cops, that had taken them); and, on the basis of our recent compilations, Jen Young, a staunch subscriber, commented on the recent spike in people “dying suddenly” in pairs:

A son & father die 2 months apart in Wales

Two police officers suddenly die in the same week in Newark, NJ

A wife and her husband suddenly die in the same month in Texas

Mother & daughter die of heart attack on the same day in Brazil

A zookeeper and his giraffe die 12 hours apart in Macedonia

A sister suddenly dies the day after her brother suddenly dies in Italy

A nephew dies a few hours after his aunt’s death in India

Two neighbors suddenly die within 24 hours in New Zealand

I believe there were a pair of sisters in Africa last week too...

And just today, one of our researchers sent this piece from the news site ImolaOggi.it, on a recent spike in “sudden deaths” among Italy’s policemen—a piece that actually mentions “vaccination” as a possible (or likely) factor.

Now, how long can this go on? How many people have to drop dead “inexplicably,” and all at once, before it’s not just some few outlets that report it, but all of them, and report it not as a macabre anomaly that’s “baffling” doctors, but as a(nother) likely spate of deaths by “vaccination”?

It just might happen sooner than we think.

ROME - The National Union of Police Members (SNAP) writes to the Chief of Police, Prefect Vittorio Pisani, and the Health Directorate of the Ministry of the Interior to "shed light on and research the causes of the numerous deaths from sudden illnesses," the union writes in a press release, a term reasonably more in vogue since the post covid period; since the beginning of the year, in fact, it also emerges from the press releases -over 10 deaths have occurred in the ranks of the State Police alone, not counting the numerous deaths among other Police Forces.

"In just two days (January 25 and 26, 2024)-SNAP continues in the press note-as many as 5 deaths were recorded, only among members of the State Police." The phenomenon "must necessarily be the subject of in-depth monitoring and control by the Administration. The common denominator is found in the label death by sudden illness, a phrase that we unfortunately find again and again since the post-Covid and post-vaccination period; without a coherent analysis of the phenomenon so far.

Thus, a considerable and worrisome number of deaths within a particular category, namely the Police Force, which, compared to the general public, is undoubtedly subjected to detailed and increased psycho-physical checks since enlistment. What is even more strange is that the deaths are occurring even among young fellow athletes. Adding to this gloomy picture is the high number of colleagues complaining, especially in the last two years, of problems with the cardiovascular, neurological, motor and respiratory systems."

SNAP (Sindacato Nazionale Appartenenti Polizi) recalls that it has been "for a long time engaged in trying to shed light on these issues, recording a kind of 'lack of cooperation' in obtaining comprehensive data of said phenomena; in view of the fact that the Administration knows for each policeman his health profile, being in charge of each colleague the obligation to communicate, for each event of illness, both the diagnosis and the prognosis and that the Administration can also proceed to the appropriate health checks.

It should not be overlooked that several policemen tend not to fully inform the Administration to which they belong of the psycho-physical problems encountered on their person, so as not to incur the inevitable problems related to their physical efficiency for which they may run the risk of being reformed, demoted or temporarily suspended; with inevitable repercussions on the economic level.

Here is the union's appeal: "We believe that one cannot remain defenseless in the face of the picture described above, and therefore, this Snap Trade Union Organization will continue to demand and seek the truth, because the death of a man in uniform cannot be considered noteworthy only when a bullet is received."

In view of when upstream indicated, this O.S. Snap, bearer of diffuse interests - ex art 9 Law 241/90 -, in the interest of the category represented and for the protection of the same, in order to , pursuant to and for the purposes of art. 5 of Legislative Decree 14 March 2013 no. 33, hereby formally requests (subject to the obscuring of sensitive data or data deemed as such) the transmission in digital format, to the PEC address of this National Secretariat: snap@pecaruba.it, for the reference time frame January 01, 2016 - January 27, 2024, of the numerical data broken down by year and by age groups (18/30; 31/40; 41/50; 51/60 ) of the number of police officers (not in retirement) who died due to: sudden illness; natural causes; due to illness and other reasons."

[tim]

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2024/01/ ... l-hearing/

The heads of Honolulu’s emergency agencies responded to a man who suffered an apparent cardiac arrest at a City Council hearing at Honolulu Hale Wednesday afternoon.

Honolulu Emergency Services Department Director Jim Ireland, Honolulu Fire Department Chief Sheldon Hao, and Honolulu Police Department Deputy Chief Rade Vanic and Acting Major Mikel Kunishima were attending the hearing when a 60-year-old testifier — Brian Lee, a former chairperson of the Hawaii Community Development Authority — “became unresponsive,” according to a news release.

https://www.laurenscountyadvertiser.net ... emergency/

A Clinton High School student was airlifted by helicopter from campus Tuesday afternoon following a medical emergency.

The student went into cardiac arrest, but Clinton High staff and responding emergency personnel used an automatic external defibrillator (AED) to help stabilize the student prior to him being transported to Prisma Greenville Memorial Hospital.

[tim]

https://hongkongfp.com/2024/01/22/30-ye ... t-disease/

30-year-old runner dies after finishing Hong Kong marathon, as doctors warn of risk of hidden heart disease

As of noon on Monday, 44 runners had been admitted to emergency facilities at public hospitals. Among them, one had died, one was in a critical condition, four were in a serious situation and eight were stable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-BB1i3rPe

Furman football player Bryce Stanfield dies two days after collapsing during workout

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/high-sch ... uring-game

https://www.news9.com/story/65bcd1437ad ... of-student

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebri ... n-32017268

https://www.kcbd.com/2024/02/07/wellman ... -thursday/

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... ies-at-17/

https://fox8.com/news/cause-of-death-re ... stivities/

[tim]

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021 ... -scientist


https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/24/cov ... -informant

COVID-19 vaccine scientist Katalin Kariko was listed as Communist-era police informant

A biochemist whose work was integral to the development of vaccines for COVID-19 has admitted that she was an asset for the security services during Hungary’s Communist era.

Katalin Kariko, whose work on mRNA technology was critical to developing the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, was recruited in 1978 when Hungary was under the Soviet-backed Communist regime of János Kádár.

https://dailynewshungary.com/katalin-ka ... rt-anyone/

An unexpected accusation against Katalin Karikó, a potential winner of the Nobel Prize, came to light: the recruitment data of the Hungarian biologist who played a key role in the development of the Pfizer vaccine is circulating on the internet. Based on the photographs, Katalin Karikó was recruited as an agent in 1978 by the Socialist party. The document comes from a book published in 2017 by László Bálint, a former operational officer in counter-espionage, in which the former detention officer lists the Csongrád County agents recruited during the Socialist period. The data was also published by Kurucinfó on Thursday night.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Katalin-Kariko

Katalin Karikó (born January 17, 1955, Kisújszállás, Hungary) Hungarian-born biochemist known for her pioneering research into RNA (ribonucleic acid) therapeutics, particularly the development of messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines. Karikó’s investigation into the ability of mRNA nucleosides (structural subunits of nucleic acids) to trigger immune responses against specific pathogens (disease-causing agents) greatly facilitated the development of the first mRNA vaccines—a breakthrough that occurred in 2021, during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. For their discoveries relating to mRNA nucleosides, which opened the way to the development of effective COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, Karikó and her colleague American immunologist Drew Weissman were awarded the 2023 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.

Education and early career
Karikó grew up in a small village in Hungary, where from an early age she expressed an interest in nature and excelled academically in science. In 1978, after graduating with a doctoral degree from the University of Szeged, she accepted a position at the Biological Research Centre (BRC), Szeged. There she studied the antiviral activity of short segments of RNA and began her investigations of modified nucleosides, a type of synthetic mRNA in which specific nucleosides have been altered or replaced, typically with either synthetic nucleosides or naturally modified nucleosides.

[aeden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1iCW5Lsd80&t=571s signs and season is close at hand

[tim]

https://armageddonprose.substack.com/p/ ... yocarditis

Email Leak: CDC Buried Its Own Myocarditis Warning in MAY 2021

The latest updates on the “new normal” – chronicling the lies, distortions, and abuses by the ruling class.

Leak: CDC wrote myocarditis warning in MAY 2021, never published
What we have here is a bit of the old “public/private position” standard championed by Hillary Clinton, otherwise known as strategic lying.

Via The Epoch Times:

“In May 2021, CDC officials drafted an alert on myocarditis and the two most widely used COVID-19 shots, according to the newly obtained document, which is being made public for the first time by The Epoch Times.

‘This is the most recent draft of an alert as discussed. Happy to discuss,’ Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, the CDC’s top official for equity in COVID-19 data and engagement, told two other high-ranking CDC colleagues in the email.

It was titled “draft alert on myocarditis and mRNA vaccines”…

The CDC started receiving reports of post-vaccination myocarditis in January 2021 and either failed to detect or ignored a safety signal for myocarditis and the mRNA shots the following month…

The newly disclosed email is dated May 21, 2021. That’s three days before a CDC workgroup acknowledged for the first time that the number of reported myocarditis cases after COVID-19 vaccination was higher than expected, and a week before the CDC said it was still recommending that virtually all Americans 12 years and up receive a vaccine.”

So:

· In private, the CDC was well aware, from the very start of the injection campaign, of the heart swelling risks presented to healthy teenagers who did not need vaccination in the first place against COVID.

· Simultaneously, in public, the agency was coercing everyone over 12 years of age to get injected based on no scientific evidence, the initial Pfizer trial itself being provably fraudulent

Until a real, aggressive investigation with teeth is launched, the number of lives taken/destroyed due to this criminal negligence remains unknown and, in fact, if the Public Health™ authorities have their way, may forever remain so.

[tim]

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Te𝕏asLindsay™
@TexasLindsay_
John Watt confronts British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak on live TV about the governments failure to even acknowledge the tens of thousands of people like him who’ve been injured by the C•19 vaccine.

John was diagnosed with myocarditis which has destroyed his quality of life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwdRfbPrGIY

[tim]

https://gettr.com/post/p30awazd5b3

Edward Dowd
@EdwardDowd

Feb 13

US Covid Policy Scorecard Human Cost

2020
~458k all cause excess deaths
Zero excess disabilities from trend

2021-2023
~1.1 million all cause excess deaths
~3.5 million excess disabilities from trend (population 16+)

[tim]

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/recor ... ccounter=1

Record long-term sickness bodes ill for UK economic growth

Britain has a sick economy and it is getting sicker. The clear message from last week’s raft of economic data is that the UK is being held back by the growing number of people not able to work because of long-term illness.

There are many theories about why the trend is worsening. Possible factors include long Covid, delays in NHS treatment as waiting lists grow longer, poor workplace practices, stress and the impact of austerity.

But one thing is certain. The economic impact of ill health is a headache for Jeremy Hunt. It will be a headache for Rachel Reeves if she becomes the first female chancellor. It is a headache for every business that is struggling to fill vacancies.

Figures released last week by the Office for National Statistics illustrated the extent of the problem. The number of people saying they are inactive due to long-term sickness is now 2.8 million – an increase of more than 200,000 in the past year and of 700,000 since the pandemic started in 2020.

This matters, and not just for those who would be working if their circumstances were different. This high level of long-term illness helps explain why the UK’s workforce is 700,000 smaller than its pre-Covid level, why the labour market is so tight and why the economy is flatlining.

Jane Gratton, deputy director of public policy at the British Chambers of Commerce, said: “Businesses are growing increasingly concerned about higher levels of inactivity and its economic impact. It is impacting on growth and inflation. Wages are rising because of skills shortages. This has an effect on both employers and individuals.”

This is not a new issue. Large numbers of employees were invalided out of the workforce when factories and coalmines were closed in the de-industrialisation of the 1980s and 1990s. This century, Britain has had a higher percentage of people inactive due to ill health than Germany, France or Italy. But two new factors – Covid and longer NHS waiting lists – have made matters significantly worse in recent years.

Yet what’s especially worrying for economic policymakers is that Britain has gone from being the G7 country with the lowest levels of inactivity to the one where, uniquely, the workforce has yet to return to pre-pandemic levels.

The Office for Budget Responsibility has pointed out: “The available international evidence suggests that while the UK has consistently been a strong performer internationally in terms of working-age participation, its post-pandemic rise in inactivity stands out. And ill health has consistently been a bigger factor behind inactivity in the UK than in most other advanced economies, with post-pandemic trends likely to have amplified these differences.”

While it would be tempting to dub Britain the sick man of Europe, it would not be strictly accurate. Feminist thinktank the Women’s Budget Group (WBG) has pointed out that there are 200,000 more women than men inactive due to ill health (1.5 million against 1.3 million). The WBG says this is not just down to Covid, but continues a trend that was evident before the pandemic.

Zubaida Haque, the WBG’s deputy director, said women were more likely to be in low-paid jobs and suffering the impact of austerity. “This has not been happening in a vacuum. Women were hit disproportionately by the pandemic but they were also more severely impacted by the benefit cuts made between 2010 and 2020. It is no good the government trying to deal with the symptoms of the problem.”

Hannah Slaughter, senior economist at the Resolution Foundation thinktank, said the 2.8 million people inactive due to long-term sickness were a real concern: “This is holding back the economy, putting pressure on the public finances and the NHS, and limiting opportunities for too many people. Reversing this trend will be a priority for the current and next government.”

According to the Department for Work and Pensions, the government is already on the case. A spokesperson said: “With an extra 4 million people in work since 2010, we are now going even further, with welfare reforms forecast to reduce the number of people who would otherwise have been placed in the highest tier of incapacity benefits by over 370,000.

Heart disease is one of the most preventable health conditions, but the government has to deliver proactive policies. Human lives and economic prosperity depend on it

Chris Thomas, IPPR

“Our back to work plan will help over a million people, including those with disabilities and long-term health conditions, to start and stay in work, as we continue to bring down inflation, cut taxes and grow the economy.”

One option for the government would be to try to fill the hundreds of thousands of job vacancies by tightening welfare conditions. But experts such as Ben Harrison, director of the Work Foundation thinktank, have warned that forcing people into work through punitive benefit sanctions would be counterproductive and might lead to more ill health.

Whichever approach it decides to take, the government is under pressure to do more, both in terms of preventing illness, and in tailoring back-to-work programmes for those who take time off sick, ensuring that they don’t exit the labour market altogether. While it is inactivity due to ill health that has grabbed the headlines recently, plenty of people with health problems are working, and are more likely to carry on if they get appropriate support.

A study by the left-leaning Institute for Public Policy Research thinktank found people were more likely to leave work because of a heart condition than for any other health problem. The IPPR said someone suffering the onset of cardiovascular disease (CVD) in 2021-22 had a 22% likelihood of leaving their job, compared with 14% for those with a mental health problem and 16% for those diagnosed with cancer.

Chris Thomas, head of the IPPR’s commission on health and prosperity, said: “After great strides in tackling cardiovascular disease in the 20th century, the UK is now stalling, if not reversing. This is costing not just lives, but also livelihoods. The good news is that heart disease is one of the most preventable health conditions, but the government has to get on to the front foot and deliver proactive policies. Both human lives and economic prosperity depend on it.”

Gratton at the BCC said firms could help by allowing flexible working, investing more in occupational health and offering staff medical insurance.

Jon Boys, senior research economist at the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development, said the reduction in workers was compounding labour supply difficulties and limiting growth.

There was ample evidence of both in last week’s economic data, with the ONS reporting more than 900,000 job vacancies and unemployment below 4%, at a time when the UK economy was in recession. Boys said breaking down barriers to working for people with health problems should be a priority for policymakers and employers.

Like Gratton, he said it was vital to focus on occupational health, to prevent individuals from exiting the workforce prematurely: “It is all very well getting people back into work but the bigger issue is not allowing them to fall out of it in the first place.”

Boys said both government and employers needed to address inactivity: employers through an awareness of the impact of stress in the workplace and addressing heavy and unsustainable workloads, and ministers by tackling NHS waiting lists.

“The government has to recognise that health policy is economic policy,” Boys said. “They can’t be treated in silos.”