Putin doesn't have to take the entire Ukraine to achieve his goals. He can start by officially seizing the areas where insurgents and Russian contractors are already fighting: Donetsk, Kharkiv, and Luhansk. They'd likely fall in a couple weeks, given that Ukraine has Soviet-era equipment while Russia itself has modernized.
A good place to stop would be the Dnieper River, controlling the eastern portion of Ukraine. While they could probably take the whole country, the initial fighting would cost them heavily, not taking into account years of insurgency. Plus, west of the Dnieper, there isn't much of a pro-Russian population. In the border provinces, having a Russian minority and a portion of the population that's pro-Russian makes taking Eastern Ukraine simpler.
With Crimea and the Eastern Ukraine taken, Putin will have accomplished his goals, setting up a puppet government in the economically valuable region of Ukraine. Belarus and the Baltic States aren't going to want to try anything, facing the possibility of Russian invasion.
And what would Europe do about it? In theory, heavy sanctions could crush the Russian government, but in practice, they have no willingness to do this. Germany's always refused to do anything and Europe as a whole doesn't wish to get involved, with the possibility of losing natural gas shipments. Most likely, it would be limited sanctions that might sting Russia a bit, but won't amount to much in the end.
As for not gaining anything from a war. . . what did we gain from Iraq and Afghanistan, apart from several thousand killed, tens of thousands wounded, and a few trillion more in debt? It didn't stop us from fighting for twenty years. Russia's death toll would be much higher than that, but they generally consider Ukraine to be part of their territory.
Yes, US/ZOG sanctions and Putin was like ... ummm, no nitrate fertilizers = ban hammer on those exports. Good luck.
Putin doesn't have to take the entire Ukraine to achieve his goals. He can start by officially seizing the areas where insurgents and Russian contractors are already fighting: Donetsk, Kharkiv, and Luhansk. They'd likely fall in a couple weeks, given that Ukraine has Soviet-era equipment while Russia itself has modernized.
A good place to stop would be the Dnieper River, controlling the eastern portion of Ukraine. While they could probably take the whole country, the initial fighting would cost them heavily, not taking into account years of insurgency. Plus, west of the Dnieper, there isn't much of a pro-Russian population. In the border provinces, having a Russian minority and a portion of the population that's pro-Russian makes taking Eastern Ukraine simpler.
With Crimea and the Eastern Ukraine taken, Putin will have accomplished his goals, setting up a puppet government in the economically valuable region of Ukraine. Belarus and the Baltic States aren't going to want to try anything, facing the possibility of Russian invasion.
And what would Europe do about it? In theory, heavy sanctions could crush the Russian government, but in practice, they have no willingness to do this. Germany's always refused to do anything and Europe as a whole doesn't wish to get involved, with the possibility of losing natural gas shipments. Most likely, it would be limited sanctions that might sting Russia a bit, but won't amount to much in the end.
As for not gaining anything from a war. . . what did we gain from Iraq and Afghanistan, apart from several thousand killed, tens of thousands wounded, and a few trillion more in debt? It didn't stop us from fighting for twenty years. Russia's death toll would be much higher than that, but they generally consider Ukraine to be part of their territory.
Yes, US/ZOG sanctions and Putin was like ... ummm, no nitrate fertilizers = ban hammer on those exports. Good luck.
What is this "ZOG" you refer to?
OK, got it...
Zionist Occupation Government conspiracy theory
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Part of a series on Antisemitism
Part of Jewish history and discrimination
The Zionist occupation government, Zionist occupational government or Zionist-occupied government (ZOG), sometimes also referred to as the Jewish occupational government (JOG),[1][2] is an antisemitic conspiracy theory claiming Jews secretly control the governments of Western states.[3][4] According to believers, a secret Zionist organization controls international banks, and through them the governments, in order to collude against white, Christian, or Islamic interests.[5]
The expression is used by white supremacist, white nationalist, far-right, nativist,[6] or antisemitic groups in Europe[7] and the United States[8][9][10][11][12][13] as well as by ultra-nationalists such as Pamyat in Russia and various far-right groups including the Freemen, Identity Christians and the Ku Klux Klan.[6]
vincecate wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:20 pm
The Cleveland Fed estimates 7.29% for Jan CPI coming out next week and 7.49% for Feb CPI. Still not looking "transitory".
Cool Breeze wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:17 pm
Yet another topic JX has been wrong about it. Here's to hopin for him that war breaks out soon, or the site will be "I'm just early!" like Peter Schiff for over a decade. What a predictive model, I couldn't have done that, right?
Inflation is everywhere you don't need it to be (your costs), and nowhere you need it to be (your Bitcoin, which was down again today).
What are you going to do, blame "ZOG"? Certainly taking swipes at "JX" and "Peter Schiff", whoever they are, won't help. How about taking responsibility for your situation? You were forewarned!
> What are you talking about? I haven't blocked you from
> anything.
Based on what you wrote, I have a theory what might have happened.
Earlier today, I removed some messages from the Nuclear War thread
because they contained nonsense like "You can't do jackdikk." I saved
them in a private thread, and I now see that one of them references
you. If you had saved a link to it, then you would have been blocked
from referring to it.
vincecate wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:20 pm
The Cleveland Fed estimates 7.29% for Jan CPI coming out next week and 7.49% for Feb CPI. Still not looking "transitory".
Cool Breeze wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:17 pm
Yet another topic JX has been wrong about it. Here's to hopin for him that war breaks out soon, or the site will be "I'm just early!" like Peter Schiff for over a decade. What a predictive model, I couldn't have done that, right?
Inflation is everywhere you don't need it to be (your costs), and nowhere you need it to be (your Bitcoin, which was down again today).
What are you going to do, blame "ZOG"? Certainly taking swipes at "JX" and "Peter Schiff", whoever they are, won't help. How about taking responsibility for your situation? You were forewarned!
When BTC goes back to 70, 80 and over 100k, will you come back and post and say you "were wrong"? If not, I won't bother continuing any conversation with you. You've been forewarned, but you don't know anything, and are dishonest, which is why I know you won't be back when I'm standing on the mountain, again.
> What are you talking about? I haven't blocked you from
> anything.
Based on what you wrote, I have a theory what might have happened.
Earlier today, I removed some messages from the Nuclear War thread
because they contained nonsense like "You can't do jackdikk." I saved
them in a private thread, and I now see that one of them references
you. If you had saved a link to it, then you would have been blocked
from referring to it.
So I've put back the one that references you.
I hope that helps.
Thank you. Fake troll guests get on people's nerves. Sorry about that, silly response to silly people and stupid troll posts.
vincecate wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:20 pm
The Cleveland Fed estimates 7.29% for Jan CPI coming out next week and 7.49% for Feb CPI. Still not looking "transitory".
Cool Breeze wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:17 pm
Yet another topic JX has been wrong about it. Here's to hopin for him that war breaks out soon, or the site will be "I'm just early!" like Peter Schiff for over a decade. What a predictive model, I couldn't have done that, right?
Inflation is everywhere you don't need it to be (your costs), and nowhere you need it to be (your Bitcoin, which was down again today).
What are you going to do, blame "ZOG"? Certainly taking swipes at "JX" and "Peter Schiff", whoever they are, won't help. How about taking responsibility for your situation? You were forewarned!
When BTC goes back to 70, 80 and over 100k, will you come back and post and say you "were wrong"? If not, I won't bother continuing any conversation with you. You've been forewarned, but you don't know anything, and are dishonest, which is why I know you won't be back when I'm standing on the mountain, again.
You were wrong. You said Bitcoin would soar and it crashed. That's the point I've been trying to make.
On a forum dedicated to a SF universe set in 12,569 AD I started a thread on what money was like, listing various forms from barter to EFT and finished up with “maybe” cryptocurrency. I am not willing to risk my livelihood on a “maybe”. True, I could be missing out on the bonanza of the 21st Century, but I do not like to gamble.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
