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Georgia secretary of state says he wants Fulton County elections taken over by state

"Enough is enough," Brad Raffensperger says of Atlanta-area election counting problems.

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger told Just the News on Wednesday that he wants Fulton County elections taken over by the state under a new law that addresses localities with habitual problems counting ballots, dramatically escalating his battle with the state's largest urban center in the aftermath of the 2020 election.

"I think people are saying, enough is enough," Raffensperger said in a podcast interview in which he discussed using the new election integrity law known as Senate Bill 202 to have the State Elections Board take over the Atlanta-area election counting in time for the 2022 elections.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy ... taken-over

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Voter Suppression

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I don't really expect to change anyone's awareness of what is going on, but Georgia and a bunch of other states where the Republicans have control of the state legislators are passing what Democrats consider to be voter suppression laws. They try to make it harder for urban people to vote, and thus minorities. Of course they attempt to justify it, while the Democrats attempt at the federal level to establish nation wide voter rights laws which will limit the effects of the state bills. The Democratic theory is that if you have most of the people behind you, you make it easier for all the people to vote. The Republican theory is the opposite. If the will of the people is against them, they prevent the people who are against them from voting.

Of course, the federal laws will not pass with the filibuster in place because the Republicans are in lockstep against minority voting.

So, yes, the Republicans are out to eliminate as many voters as possible from urban minority areas. Whether it will do then any good I don't know. The organizations who were out to get out the vote taught voters near Atlanta and elsewhere to get off their rears and enroll. If the Republicans try to disenfranchise them again by changing the voter laws, these same get out the vote organizations will just teach the voters how to get around it. The major difference is that the voters will be more mad at the Republicans.

Does this mean the Republicans have any evidence that the urban minority votes were abnormal? Of course not. Urban votes just tend to swing more Democratic.

And if you are not aware of what is going on and why, you are clearly addicted to biased news sources.

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Another Perspective on the CCP

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I have characterized the CCP under Xi Jinping as into brinksmanship. They will respond to any threat with bombast, willing to heighten tensions and induce the opponent to back down. To date they have not gone over the edge. They have had some success with their financial plots, and seemingly don’t wish to to trigger sanctions.

This may not continue, but the tendency should be remembered. Still, any time you make it a habit of dancing on the edge, you run the chance of a miscalculation.

I also ran into one report on the CCP’s status which projects short term trouble. The coal affair with Australia, the flooding in the Three Gorges area, racial troubles in Xinjiang and Tibet, the poor performances with the COVUS vaccines and general tensions about lack of human rights and democracy were projected to combine in a general rejection of the CCP. It sure hasn’t happened yet, but their projection of the next China trouble is a combined many factors revolt against the CCP.

I’m not sure of this version of what is coming in China is accurate, but it is a possibility at least. It might provide a balance to the perspectives project here. The conservative perspective seems to be moving towards rejection worldwide, which has left many clinging to violent though patterns embracing disaster scenarios. Not clear.

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** 03-Jul-2021 World View: Bob's Perspective of the CCP
Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:01 pm
> I have characterized the CCP under Xi Jinping as into
> brinksmanship. They will respond to any threat with bombast,
> willing to heighten tensions and induce the opponent to back down.
> To date they have not gone over the edge. They have had some
> success with their financial plots, and seemingly don’t wish to to
> trigger sanctions.

> This may not continue, but the tendency should be remembered.
> Still, any time you make it a habit of dancing on the edge, you
> run the chance of a miscalculation.

> I also ran into one report on the CCP’s status which projects
> short term trouble. The coal affair with Australia, the flooding
> in the Three Gorges area, racial troubles in Xinjiang and Tibet,
> the poor performances with the COVUS vaccines and general tensions
> about lack of human rights and democracy were projected to combine
> in a general rejection of the CCP. It sure hasn’t happened yet,
> but their projection of the next China trouble is a combined many
> factors revolt against the CCP.

> I’m not sure of this version of what is coming in China is
> accurate, but it is a possibility at least. It might provide a
> balance to the perspectives project here. The conservative
> perspective seems to be moving towards rejection worldwide, which
> has left many clinging to violent though patterns embracing
> disaster scenarios. Not clear.
I guess when you talk about the "conservative perspective" being one
of "rejection" of the CCP, you are confirming to me my impression that
the "Democrat perspective" is one of "acceptance" of the CCP.

Joe and Hunter Biden are firmly in bed with the CCP, as are the banks,
the media and the Big Tech firms that the Democrats depend on for
their Stalinist Fascist censorship regime.

Occasionally a Democrat will say that he's "troubled" by the reports
of enslavement of Uighurs, but it's obvious that they're far less
"troubled" about that than the laws being passed by several states to
prevent a repeat of the massive election fraud that occurred in
November 2020. The conclusion that I reach is that the Democrats
would like to see as much fraud in American elections as the Chinese
have in their elections.

So if the "Democrat perspective" is "acceptance" of the CCP, what does
that mean? It means "acceptance" of the Uighur enslavement,
"acceptance" of the CCP crackdowns on democracy and free press, and
"acceptance" of the CCP's claims on Taiwan.

Thursday's speech by Xi Jinping was almost insane. He has a view of
history that's entirely incorrect, and a view of the future that's
entirely delusional. His delusion is that by 2050 the US will be in
total decline, and the world will have accepted China as its leader,
in peace and harmony.

It's increasingly clear to me that many Democrats share this delusion,
and they see a world in 2050 in which they have dictatorial control of
the US, in conjunction with the Glorious Socialist leadership of
China. What does this shared delusion mean?

For one thing, it would mean an end to the US Constitutional
government. That's not surprising. The Democrats were willing to
destroy the country in the Civil War, and they're still bitter about
losing, so it's not suprising that they still want to destroy the
country. That's the purpose of HR-1, for example.

For another thing, it means that the Democrats can re-enslave the
blacks. They've already adopted policies in Chicago, Detroit,
Baltimore and other Democrat-run cities so that as many thousands of
blacks will slaughter each other as possible -- achieving the goals of
the KKK by other means. Working in conjunction with Big Tech, the
Democrats could do what the Chinese have done in Xinjiang -- set up
massive surveillance, and use AI to track people.

Each day it becomes clearer that this "acceptance of the CCP" is the
delusion of many Democrats, sharing the delusions of the CCP as
expressed last week.

So you and other Democrats may have adopted the "acceptance
perspective" of the CCP, but I'm pleased to say that I have adopted
the "rejection perspective," as have many Republicans.

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Working with and against China

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John wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:01 pm
I guess when you talk about the "conservative perspective" being one of "rejection" of the CCP, you are confirming to me my impression that the "Democrat perspective" is one of "acceptance" of the CCP.
Shipping jobs abroad has been very profitable for the elites. In Asia, there has been much less concern for the workers. Labor unions didn’t develop as much, nor wages, nor benefits. There is much less concern for worker safety or the environment. As a result, much the same job can be done more profitably than in the West. I am not too pleased that many American elites will profit from this. I am not convinced that this profit is unique to Democrats.

In the long run it would be desirable for all parts of the world to emphasize spreading the wealth to the people rather than limiting it to the elites. It would be prudent to preserve the environment, not to force huge populations to live in poisoned air. It would also be nice to have unicorns readably available. I’m not holding my breath. The priority in China and the West alike has favored the elites.

The acceptance of China might properly keep financial dealings more profitable and otherwise more favorable than war and other violence. Tribal Thinking suggests believing that one’s own group is superior, another group is inferior, and that oppression or violence is the norm for dealing with such unlike groups. This could apply to China with their bombastic threats against all sorts of unlike people. The question is whether it is profitable. Are the elites in favor of having their factories nuked? In this age of proxy and insurgent wars, does one want to use force in areas where the hostile group is the prevalent natives? Does one want the profits of playing financial games, or the destruction that war would bring?

It was once the norm to increase one’s power through war and conquest. It is much harder in the Information Age. I don’t think it a surprise that the CCP has noted the change, even if you refuse to see it.

As much as I am not thrilled by American elites profiting from oppressed Asian populations, I do want it clearly advantageous to play the peaceful financial games than switch to conflict. The CCP apparently agrees. While they threaten, they are careful about acting. Biden would be wise in encouraging this to continue.

I would not characterize the Democratic plans as dictatorial. It is the Republicans who unify against the will of the people, voting as a block against popular desires. It is the Democrats who favor voting rights, the Republicans into voter suppression. It is natural to use extreme language when you disagree with the party in power, but that particular complaint is so blatantly false as to discredit you in making it.

If alleged black managers are in charge of the Democrats, why would they want to enslave themselves? I think it was one of the Ferengi ‘Rules of Acquisition’ to “Keep your lies consistent.” You might try it.

Yes we have a drug problem. I have said that many times. I have even suggested a potential approach. As usual you ignore it in favor of imaginary black managers enslaving themselves.

Using surveillance technology in public spaces is a prudent way to fight crime. I have heard no objection to, say, utility store cameras or the cop’s body cameras. Using it to harass political opponents? Another proposition. If you actually talk of an American abuse rather than whine about what could be done without specifics, I might listen. I heard rumors of NSA having a big building next to the telephone building where the Pacific undersea cables terminate. You might want to begin there.

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Re: Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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spottybrowncow wrote:
Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:25 pm
As John so eloquently points out, the CCP is run by a bunch of maniacal dumb-asses (maybe I paraphrased a bit).
They are certainly better at carrying a big stick than at speaking softly. Still, while they do believe in speaking loudly, their profit from economic gains has been more than they look to gain by conquest. Assuming the CCP is dumb is a good way of making incorrect judgements. They have slowly building problems and are using bombast to hold them off, and doing it rather well.

The US is speaking softly, but don't doubt the size of their stick.

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The Disbarable Lie?

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It seems Giuliani cannot practice law in DC either. The precedent is being set that repeating the Big Lie can get you disbarred. It seems like the courts have clearly decided that the Big Lie is a lie.

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** 07-Jul-2021 World View: Butler's Disbarable Lie?
Bob Butler wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:41 pm
> It seems Giuliani cannot practice law in DC either. The precedent
> is being set that repeating the Big Lie can get you disbarred. It
> seems like the courts have clearly decided that the Big Lie is a
> lie.
The left-wing courts disbarred Giuliani for the crime of representing
Trump.

The so-called "Big Lie" that you reference is actually not a lie,
since the Democrats really did rig the election.

-- Giuliani's Suspension: Questionable Statements, But Not by Him
https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... y_him.html
(American Thinker, 1-Jul-2021)

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Re: Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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John wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:40 pm
The left-wing courts disbarred Giuliani for the crime of representing Trump.

The so-called "Big Lie" that you reference is actually not a lie, since the Democrats really did rig the election.
Any evidence? All I have is a 50 to 1 court case ratio, the legitimate audits verifying no organized fraud, the partisan audits such as Arizona's being delayed indefinitely...

After the fiasco in 2020, it seems the courts want to avoid any impression that an election should be decided not by the people, but by the courts. They really have avoided any semblance of overthrowing the will of the people. The Supreme Court rulings have been brief and blunt, mostly saying they will not intervene. This puts them quite in opposition to the Big Lie. So far, in spite of the major achievement of the Trump administration being to elect conservative judges, the courts have removed themselves as much as they can from the election deciding business. The problem is the Republican persistence of the Big Lie. Even Trump appointed judges have persistently ruled against it.

I realize you have a partisan bias, but I have a strong feeling you are going to lose out on this one.

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Re: Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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** 08-Jul-2021 World View: Up-to-date info on audits and Democrat hoaxes
John wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:40 pm
> The left-wing courts disbarred Giuliani for the crime of
> representing Trump.

> The so-called "Big Lie" that you reference is actually not a lie,
> since the Democrats really did rig the election.
Bob Butler wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:56 am
> Any evidence? All I have is a 50 to 1 court case ratio, the
> legitimate audits verifying no organized fraud, the partisan
> audits such as Arizona's being delayed indefinitely...

> After the fiasco in 2020, it seems the courts want to avoid any
> impression that an election should be decided not by the people,
> but by the courts. They really have avoided any semblance of
> overthrowing the will of the people. The Supreme Court rulings
> have been brief and blunt, mostly saying they will not intervene.
> This puts them quite in opposition to the Big Lie. So far, in
> spite of the major achievement of the Trump administration being
> to elect conservative judges, the courts have removed themselves
> as much as they can from the election deciding business. The
> problem is the Republican persistence of the Big Lie. Even Trump
> appointed judges have persistently ruled against it.

> I realize you have a partisan bias, but I have a strong feeling
> you are going to lose out on this one.
As usual, your problem is that you have no clue what's going on, since
all you believe is the heavily censored news that the Stalinist
Fascist Democrat censorship machine wants you to believe.

You refer to the "the legitimate audits." Not a single vote was
audited by any of those "legitimate" audits, so they weren't audits at
all. In may cases, the judges and their were threatened with doxxing
and attacks by antifa-blm fascists, so they simply dismissed the cases
on one pretext or another. There was no audit whatsoever.

The reason that the Arizona audit is being "delayed indefinitely" is
because it's a real, actual audit. They've been doing a full forensic
audit on millions of votes, and that takes many weeks and months.
Furthermore, the desperate Democrat regime has sent literally hundreds
of lawyers to Arizona to do everything possible to stop the audit, and
that's caused some delays. It's obvious that the asshole Democrats
are scared shitless, because their criminality will be revealed, and
trolls like you and Brower will have to come up with brand new crap to
try to explailn it away. As I understand it, the results of the audit
will be released in early August.

I know you don't care about facts, but I'll give a couple of links
for other people reading this who would like to know what's going on.

The following is a detailed summary of the audits in a number of
states, as of 6 days ago:

*** A.U.D.I.T. of Elections: Democrats Getting Concerned
*** By Stu Cvrk | Jul 02, 2021 8:00 AM ET
https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/07/ ... ed-n405010

And the following link is to a detailed list of links to many news
stories giving the latest information on things that the Democrat
regime doesn't want anyone to know about:

*** Thursday, July 8, 2021 - Election 2020: While Waiting on Elsa
https://fritz-aviewfromthebeach.blogspo ... -elsa.html

The links are to stories about the 2020 election rigging, the
"insurrection" hoax, the NSA's illegal spying on Tucker Carlson, more
info on audits in various states, and finally Trump's lawsuit against
Big Tech.

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