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John wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:03 pm

DaKardii wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:54 pm

> Biden making nice with Russia is a good thing, in the long run.

It's hard to decide how we should "feel" about Russia.

On the one hand, Russians love Americans and Western Europeans,
so we ought to love the Russians back.

On the other hand, Vladimir Putin hates Ukraine, Georgia, and
other East European countries.

So that's why we have a love-hate relationship with Russia.

If Putin would stop invading people and giving a wink to cyber attacks on America, it would be easier to accept him. I have nothing against the Russian people, but the reasons to dislike Putin are clear enough.

I suspect there is no hatred of places like Ukraine, Georgia and elsewhere, but Putin wants to put back the old Soviet Union. It is more about Russia than those being invaded.

Guest wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:13 am

Do you really think it is possible that election fraud will be proven and documented? I believe it happened, but will the Democratic Party and the WH allow it to be made official? Yes, the election has been certified, but the admission would destroy the country.

Maybe that's a good thing?

Doubtful. In suspending Giuliani's license to practice law, the courts said they already examined the evidence, of which there is none, and that telling the Big Lie does great harm to the United States. Like, in your view, the lie threatens to destroy the country, yet Trump tells the lie for personal advantage. The opposite extreme, Trump loyalists dealing with the fact that it was all a lie, is far more likely to occur.

If your worldview is that badly discredited, it is natural to lash out, but it could very well be all Trump's doing.

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:12 am

If your worldview is that badly discredited, it is natural to lash out, but it could very well be all Trump's doing.

The same could be said of you.

Guest wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:29 am

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:12 am

If your worldview is that badly discredited, it is natural to lash out, but it could very well be all Trump's doing.

The same could be said of you.

How? I have told no lies for personal gain, nor have I believed the lies without evidence. Is there something the courts and I have supported on the Democratic side so dangerous to the country?

Vague unsupported accusations are kind of hard to counter.

** 27-Jun-2021 World View: Rudy Giuliani

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:12 am

> In suspending Giuliani's license to practice law, the courts said
> they already examined the evidence, of which there is none, and
> that telling the Big Lie does great harm to the United
> States.

That's a lie, perhaps not your lie but a lie by the NY Supreme Court
in claiming that Giuliani made claims that had been disproven in
Georgia. That's a complete lie, as the evidence is growing that
Giuliani was completely right in talking about election fraud in
Georgia.

And beyond that, the court suspended Giuliani's license because of
public political speech, so the court violated his First Amendment
rights. This is typical of the Democrat Fascist Stalinist censorship
regime. I guess the Democrats were panicked because Giuliani was
talling the truth, and they found a way to censor him and try to
cancel him, using their corrupt pals on the NY Supreme Court.

I know you don't care about facts, but for anyone else reading this,
here's a detailed analysis of what I just said:

** Lead Georgia Election Critic Condemns New York Supreme Court on Giuliani.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/458317/

Here's another analysis. This one agrees with Butler about how the
evil Giuliani deserves what he got, but says that the NY Supreme Court
reasoning was so sloppy that it gives ammunition to Trump's supporters
about the Democrats and the "Deep State":

** Rudy’s Problematic Public Punishment Doesn’t Fit His Crimes
https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-problematic ... 04728.html

Disbarring for political speech is as best questionable. You really have to harm America and the US public interest through provable lying before the courts jump in. That they did will likely remain controversial for a while.

Lying to the court gets you unable to practice law and always has. They were well in bounds on that.

I did a little digging into the Georgia problem, and found no real effort to manipulate votes in 2020. Calls to influence the election results? Voter suppression after the fact? Another story. I’m waiting on the court cases to speak definitively.

Facts? How many pardons? How many convictions? How many pending investigations? A 50 to 1 in court cases disadvantage? What are the comparable cases on the other side? I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect the courts to bail out Trump’s misbehavior. The courts have been entirely consistent with the mainline reporting. If things keep going the way they have you are going to look even more foolish than usual.

Romney recently compared the Big Lie to the WWE. Entertaining, but not real. I think this does a great disservice... to the WWE.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/27/politics ... index.html

Tom Mazanec wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:07 pm

If people have been getting stupider for decades, John, then how do you explain the Flynn Effect?

I would argue they are not getting stupider, their worldview is just growing further from the older conservative viewpoint often found here. If each crisis gets rid of a few flaws in the culture, if one clings to the flaws it just appears stupider. In time? Is it American to call stay the same viewpoints such as those favoring kings, slavery and isolationism stupid? Is the change of a crisis embraced by the main stream culture?

Worldviews shifting is not best understood through IQs. People cling to their word views regardless of their IQ. It is traditional here to call anyone who disagrees with you stupid, though. Not the only way of looking at things.

The split seems to have the blue following the arrow of progress - democracy, equality, human rights and rule of law. The red is pretty much the opposite - an autocratic tendency, racism, oppression, privilege and a criminal administration.

Which is stupid in the long term? But is it stupid if you are white, priviledged and care more about your own position than Americans in general? The choice is not one of intelligence, but of empathy.

Which choice is American? In past crises, the answer has been with the arrow of progress. Should one expect it to be different?

Bob Butler wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:57 pm

I did a little digging into the Georgia problem, and found no real effort to manipulate votes in 2020.

Newest entry for stupidest thing ever posted on this forum, commendable multi-pronged approach.