Societal collapse

[Bob Butler]

I was a cop in Bed Stuy. These criminal-supporting lib hipsters have no idea how real and deadly these sub-humans are. The deadly danger does not register. They believe TV shows that show them the cops are the bad guys and brutal criminals are misunderstood, oppressed, members of society. THIS is the vicious reality they fail to comprehend.

This could be interpreted as the white supremacists being convinced they are not prejudiced enough. The two points of view could be viewed as opposite sides of the same coin, both having merit. It is easy enough to err by taking either perspective too far.

[Guest]

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[Guest]

I was a cop in Bed Stuy. These criminal-supporting lib hipsters have no idea how real and deadly these sub-humans are. The deadly danger does not register. They believe TV shows that show them the cops are the bad guys and brutal criminals are misunderstood, oppressed, members of society. THIS is the vicious reality they fail to comprehend.

This could be interpreted as the white supremacists being convinced they are not prejudiced enough. The two points of view could be viewed as opposite sides of the same coin, both having merit. It is easy enough to err by taking either perspective too far.

Which is something you do constantly.

[Navigator]

It's been helpful to understand the kind of Communism masked as progressive thought invading and destroying our liberal democratic republic. These cretins have no original thoughts or ability to think for themselves. They're spoonfed increasingly stupid and despicable trash ideology. The remaining faithful are getting near the level of the true believers. I suspect Bob will be sacrificed by them as has been pointed out after his usefulness has passed. Because he will realize that he's been in a partnership with the devil himself. This is the real tragedy of this long affair with communism which is now coming to it's head. For those who survive, it's hard to imagine this destructive ideology will be allowed to remain.

Originally Marxist theory projected that the revolutionary government would help the people. Alas, in practice, the revolutionary government helped the revolutionaries. Somehow, this got twisted around into all governments who try to help the people are communist.

My posts of late have featured love thy neighbor and rule of law. These are ill ideas inconsistent with the founding fathers? This is a destructive ideology? If you believed in that sort of thinking and you would oppress minorities and follow a criminal leader. Oh. Sorry. You do.

No I don't.

You lie

Thought I would jump in here, since this seems to be a good back and forth to discuss.

In order to debate the "introduction" of communism into "progressive thought" (which is only "progressive" in that it is hastening societal collapse), we have to look at the basics of communism:

1 - No private property. All property/wealth/assets are communal and supposedly "belong to all".
1A - Private property is confiscated by the government (the "Party")
1B - Private wealth of any sort is confiscated by the the "Party"
2 - No elections. Leadership in government/industry/commerce is decided by the "Party".
3 - The "Party" makes its own rules for itself.
4 - Funds (and or any kind of services and materials) are doled out to individuals as the "Party" decides.
5 - Industry and Commercial enterprise is conducted by governmental entities. These entities are controlled by the "Party".
6 - No debate. No dissent of the "Party", its leadership, its methods, or its effectiveness is allowed.
7 - No alternate ideologies. Religion is banned.
8 - Crime and punishment are decided upon by the "Party"

I think these are the basics. I have run out of time for posting today, so if you think I have left any out, let me know. I intend to go through these and show how the extreme left in current democracies is moving forward on implementing each of the above.

[Navigator]

PS to all - see my post about debating with Bob in the Abortion thread.

[Bob Butler]

In order to debate the "introduction" of communism into "progressive thought" (which is only "progressive" in that it is hastening societal collapse), we have to look at the basics of communism:

Good start. I would only add later they used sham elections and members of the party stepped into the role of pseudo capitalists, but your note is good for early on.

I would add in passing that there is a big difference between Marx and Communism. Marx theorized that the revolutionaries would work to benefit the people. In practice, the Communists worked for the Communists. I just don't accept that all governments that work to benefit the people are Communist. Communists never did work primarily for the people.

[Navigator]

I will continue then.

Here is a comparison of Communism vs Socialism

[Guest]

As for me, I say, give me liberty or give me death.

[Bob Butler]

Here you are mashing together Marxist theory and Communist practice. In theory Marx would abolish class, but in practice if you are a member of the Communist party you get away with a lot more. The party is effectively a class. The government is an autocracy of the party, with democracy castrated.

Similarly, there are a wide variety of countries that have been called socialist with various degrees of capitalist and democratic overlay. Classes are not mentioned in the constitutions of many such countries, but effectively exist. "Them who has, gets." This amounts to an unofficial class structure, not as formal as a hereditary nobility, but quite real none the less. A 'socialist' democracy may just have more people voting for the government helping the people while the common people struggle against the unofficial classes.

I would focus more on the difference between theory and practice and how "them who has, gets" poisons cultures supposedly democratic and capitalistic.

I'm getting ahead of things, but you can add classes and "them who has, gets" to democracies. Here in the US, Democrats associate with labor unions while Republicans side with the rich. This can be viewed as a class conflict. The US is a lot more complex than that. There is no way I would claim no Democrat has taken campaign contributions from the rich, especially when globalism was the thing and the rich were bribing the politicians to send American jobs overseas. But still, Marx had a point. The rich have too much influence on government. It doesn't look like much will be done this crisis. Perhaps in another?

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The conflict escalates into a regional war with the U.S. becoming directly involved.

OPEC responds with an oil embargo.

Iran closes the strait of Hormuz.

The price of oil reaches $300/barrel.

Europe succumbs into a full-blown energy crisis due to LNG shortage.

Massive spike in energy prices reinvigorates inflation with central banks responding accordingly.

Financial markets and the global banking sector collapse.

Debt crisis engulfs the U.S. forcing the Federal Reserve to enact yet another financial market bailout.

Petrodollar trade collapses.

Hyperinflation emerges.