22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength torture

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gerald
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Re: 22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength tort

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John wrote:
gerald wrote: > Yes John, But you must not forget that admired darling of the
> college kids, kids who still wear his image, Che Guevara. “The
> Butcher of La Cabaña”

> “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is
> unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois
> detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a
> cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.” – Che
> Guevara
I agree, but the ones that I mentioned -- Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot (and
Stalin) and al-Assad -- conducted torture, executions and mutilations
on a massive scale.

Guevara was really nothing more than a two-bit murderer and ranter.


True, but many college kids love him, he was so cute and "romantic", and he was against "the man"
( lets not get confused with the truth ) sarcasm

NoOneImportant

Re: 22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength tort

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John, Gerald,
> Yes John, But you must not forget that admired darling of the
> college kids, kids who still wear his image, Che Guevara. “The
> Butcher of La Cabaña”

> “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is
> unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois
> detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a
> cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.” – Che
> Guevara



I agree, but the ones that I mentioned -- Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot (and
Stalin) and al-Assad -- conducted torture, executions and mutilations
on a massive scale.
The promotion of these monsters comes directly from American academia. Those who promote and wear the visual promotion in the form of T-shirts with: the Hammer and Sickle; a large Red Star; or an image of Guevara on them know almost noting of the acts of enormous depravity routinely executed by these animals. These kids - most, but not all - are grossly ignorant of the Katine Forrest, the Gulags, the Killing Fields, the Cultural Revolution, and the Great Leap Forward. They not only don't know of these events, they don't even know where to find the descriptions of what the events were.

These young people daily go to their indoctrination center - high school, or university - and hear an almost continuous line of sanitized promotional BS every day. So they "drink the cool-aid" and run out to the local mall and spring for a shirt with Guevara, a Hammer and Sickle; or a Red Star on it. They then dawn their new bought personal mantle of what they believe is "resistance" and run around exhibiting great pride at the response that their ignorant idiocy evokes.

For most of my life I was just incensed by their ignorance, but several years ago I adopted the following tact:

1. I approached them in a non-threatening manner.
2. Then I would query them, I would ask the following: "Do you know how many people have been murdered by those who thought, philosophically speaking, like those people?" - as I pointed to their shirt.
3. Their response was always: No; or not as many as capitalism, or some other inane retort, as they had never delved deeply into what they were promoting.
4. I would then inform them: "... well according to several studies, the number is over 100 million people were overtly murdered, worked to death, or starved to death by those who think like they do."
5. Going on I would comment: "... you know, of course, that the Nazi's only murdered 50 million people in WWII; so you can see that the Nazi's only murdered half as many people as those like Guevara, or the Communists/socialists."
6. Going on further, I would comment: "... in that light a moral, and ethical case might be made for the Nazi's only being half as bad as those he was promoting on his T-shirt; in fact, in that light, he should be looking for a T-shirt sporting a Swastika, as, of course, the Nazis were twice a good as the monsters who had murdered 100 million innocent, defenseless people; as the Nazis only murdered half as many people as Guevara, and the Communists - right?"
7. Universally, when confronted with the enormity of where the short dialog had taken them they would exhibit a look of complete revulsion, and as one young man put it: "... a Swastika? that would be unacceptable."
8. My response was simple: "..., but why? the Nazis murdered fully half as many people as the Communists; so why would it be unacceptable to wear a T-shirt displaying a Swastika? Weren't the Nazis twice as good as those who murdered twice as many people?"
9. Without exception those wearing the T-shirts quickly left the store, or mall. In short American academics have for decades unashamedly promoted the monsters John, and Gerald sited in the quote noted above, and these rotten degenerates - high school teachers, and university profs - have gotten a pass, under the guise of academic freedom. No longer... at least not from me.

at99sy
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Re: 22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength tort

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NoOneImportant wrote:John, Gerald,
> Yes John, But you must not forget that admired darling of the
> college kids, kids who still wear his image, Che Guevara. “The
> Butcher of La Cabaña”

> “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is
> unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois
> detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a
> cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.” – Che
> Guevara



I agree, but the ones that I mentioned -- Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot (and
Stalin) and al-Assad -- conducted torture, executions and mutilations
on a massive scale.
The promotion of these monsters comes directly from American academia. Those who promote and wear the visual promotion in the form of T-shirts with: the Hammer and Sickle; a large Red Star; or an image of Guevara on them know almost noting of the acts of enormous depravity routinely executed by these animals. These kids - most, but not all - are grossly ignorant of the Katine Forrest, the Gulags, the Killing Fields, the Cultural Revolution, and the Great Leap Forward. They not only don't know of these events, they don't even know where to find the descriptions of what the events were.

These young people daily go to their indoctrination center - high school, or university - and hear an almost continuous line of sanitized promotional BS every day. So they "drink the cool-aid" and run out to the local mall and spring for a shirt with Guevara, a Hammer and Sickle; or a Red Star on it. They then dawn their new bought personal mantle of what they believe is "resistance" and run around exhibiting great pride at the response that their ignorant idiocy evokes.
This does not happen in my classroom, but I concede it does occur in many others. This has caused some conflict but I embrace it as an opportunity to spread truth.
Just today in my genocides class we were speaking of the Holodomor, and one of my students compared what the Soviets did to the Ukraine to Mao's great leap forward. Another student brought up Mao and Che as being "idols" of the hippies. I described Che as a "nutless thug who's only source of bravado came from a gun." I do what I can. To get the students to question and to look at multiple perspectives is one of my priorities.
There are those of us who reject the kool-ade


cheers

sy

NoOneImportant

Re: 22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength tort

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Bravo!

Trevor
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Re: 22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength tort

Post by Trevor »

With the people I've talked to, most of the idiots wearing Che t-shirts don't have a clue who he was. As far as they know, he's a rebel and that sounds "cool". When I mention the thousands of executions and loving detail he gave in his journal about them, they don't have a clue what I'm talking about. Some don't even realize he's Cuban.

NoOneImportant

Re: 22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength tort

Post by NoOneImportant »

"Useful idiots," as Lenin referred to them, in the truest sense of the words.

at99sy
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Re: 22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength tort

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NoOneImportant wrote:"Useful idiots," as Lenin referred to them, in the truest sense of the words.
This is exactly why they must be educated to look for real information, different perspectives, and most of all to ask difficult questions.
On all of my exams there is a portion where the student must ask thought provoking, or insightful questions about the subject. It takes some
training but they all get it eventually.

When they realize that another teacher has attempted to indoctrinate them with bs it is most heart warming moment.

cheers

sy

gerald
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Re: 22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength tort

Post by gerald »

at99sy wrote:
NoOneImportant wrote:"Useful idiots," as Lenin referred to them, in the truest sense of the words.
This is exactly why they must be educated to look for real information, different perspectives, and most of all to ask difficult questions.
On all of my exams there is a portion where the student must ask thought provoking, or insightful questions about the subject. It takes some
training but they all get it eventually.

When they realize that another teacher has attempted to indoctrinate them with bs it is most heart warming moment.

cheers

sy
We need more like you

cheers

Marshall Kane
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Re: 22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength tort

Post by Marshall Kane »

at99sy wrote:
NoOneImportant wrote:"Useful idiots," as Lenin referred to them, in the truest sense of the words.
This is exactly why they must be educated to look for real information, different perspectives, and most of all to ask difficult questions.
On all of my exams there is a portion where the student must ask thought provoking, or insightful questions about the subject. It takes some
training but they all get it eventually.

When they realize that another teacher has attempted to indoctrinate them with bs it is most heart warming moment.

cheers

sy
Hi Sy,

Interesting. May I ask how your frame this section of your exams?

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Re: 22-Jan-14 World View -- Assad's industrial strength tort

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Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.

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